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  • P0CKETCHANGEP0CKETCHANGE Posts: 2,560 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @robec I’ve seen GreatPhotos of proofs on GC where the fields are lit up. Sometimes he’ll post two GreatPhotos of the same coin—one with fields lit and one without.

    Nothing is as expensive as free money.

  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 3,222 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @robec said:

    @FlyingAl said:
    Wow @Manifest_Destiny - that's horrible. Not even close. Keep that GreatPhoto handy.

    If Phil could have imaged this coin raw he would have had the fields lit up also. Because it’s a proof Phil wasn’t able to do that. It looks like the TrueView had the right idea. He didn’t do a good job cleaning up the image, the haze shouldn’t have been there. Color wise it is typical with TVs to be off. For a long time they favored a red tint…..now it’s yellow.

    I think he was going for something like this.

    Bob - the coin is not a Proof, so I don't think Phil would have went for the lit fields. It's a San Fransisco piece.

    Coin Photographer.

  • SwampboySwampboy Posts: 12,991 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @SanctionII said:
    I have some coins that I would like to submit for grading and have Trueview photos of the coins taken. My submissions of late last year came back with Trueview photos of some of the coins being of very poor quality (not even close to what the coins look like in hand and very unattractive).

    As a result I am reluctant to submit any additional coins for grading.

    I certainly regret paying up for platinum.

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  • DelawareDoonsDelawareDoons Posts: 3,413 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Manifest_Destiny said:
    Here's my latest reholder. Worst Trueview so far. I'm going rethink having reholders done, any maybe rethink raw grading also. I'm officially tired of wasting my money on this garbage.


    Unsalvageable raw images there, I bet.

    Maybe PCGS is just gonna send these photographers to summer seminar to learn? Idk. Hope they got a plan...

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  • OriginalDanOriginalDan Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Seems like everyday I hear someone comment that they are waiting to send coins in for grading or re-holder until the images are fixed. PCGS has to be feeling it, by now.

  • Manifest_DestinyManifest_Destiny Posts: 6,896 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @alaura22 said:
    Nothing is ever going to happen with the true views until it affects the bottom line and that's NEVER going to happen.
    Everybody will still send in there coins for whatever service they provide, complain about the true views till the cows come home, but still accept what they get.
    JMO, I really hope I'm wrong

    I'm already thinking about a plan to sell some of my set, trade some, and move assets around to get back to more simple album collecting, which is what I prefer anyway. I'm tired of the TPG game. I think I'll take a break for a couple of weeks and think it through.

  • robecrobec Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FlyingAl said:

    @robec said:

    @FlyingAl said:
    Wow @Manifest_Destiny - that's horrible. Not even close. Keep that GreatPhoto handy.

    If Phil could have imaged this coin raw he would have had the fields lit up also. Because it’s a proof Phil wasn’t able to do that. It looks like the TrueView had the right idea. He didn’t do a good job cleaning up the image, the haze shouldn’t have been there. Color wise it is typical with TVs to be off. For a long time they favored a red tint…..now it’s yellow.

    I think he was going for something like this.

    Bob - the coin is not a Proof, so I don't think Phil would have went for the lit fields. It's a San Fransisco piece.

    Doh!! I didn’t look close enough. I hope there are some decent alternate photos to pick from. Can’t hurt to ask.

  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 11, 2024 6:21PM

    For now I plan of sending most, if not all of my PCGS submissions economy so they don’t get Trueviewed. More than happy to pay the $10 service adjustment for coins that exceed $300.

  • OriginalDanOriginalDan Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @alaura22 said:
    Nothing is ever going to happen with the true views until it affects the bottom line and that's NEVER going to happen.
    Everybody will still send in there coins for whatever service they provide, complain about the true views till the cows come home, but still accept what they get.
    JMO, I really hope I'm wrong

    On the contrary, myself and a bunch of others I've spoken too are not submitting anything until the photo situation is fixed.

  • Manifest_DestinyManifest_Destiny Posts: 6,896 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @lermish said:

    @emeraldATV said:
    The Trueview I was given only confuses me based on my photo selected from many taken which I feel best describes the coin . The Trueview photo's are embarrassing and well off the true view in hand. I really did not want to go there but maybe it needs to be said, then this thread crossed my desk.

    The Trueviews are embarassing?

  • lermishlermish Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Manifest_Destiny said:

    @lermish said:

    @emeraldATV said:
    The Trueview I was given only confuses me based on my photo selected from many taken which I feel best describes the coin . The Trueview photo's are embarrassing and well off the true view in hand. I really did not want to go there but maybe it needs to be said, then this thread crossed my desk.

    The Trueviews are embarassing?

    I had to lookup the coin to see what I was missing. The top pop brown has a price guide of $2. The top pop variety in brown has a guide of $150. So this is probably worth less than face value because of the time and effort required to crack it out of the holder?

  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 19,969 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @emeraldATV said:
    The Trueview I was given only confuses me based on my photo selected from many taken which I feel best describes the coin . The Trueview photo's are embarrassing and well off the true view in hand. I really did not want to go there but maybe it needs to be said, then this thread crossed my desk.

    Eww! Presenting the exception to the "graders don't wear gloves when handling coins" rule.

  • TwoSides2aCoinTwoSides2aCoin Posts: 44,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Tru-view gives me an even better view of a few.

  • alaura22alaura22 Posts: 3,193 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MonsterCoinz said:
    This one had a similar issue.

    WOW
    That is unbelievably bad, Is anyone looking at these photos before they go out? Have they no shame?

  • CopperindianCopperindian Posts: 1,482 ✭✭✭✭✭

    These aren’t even the same coin. The first one is correct. The other one - who knows? Yet they share the same ID #. Go figure.


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  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 3,222 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Eeek Bob! Gold you're able to capture those ones yourself.

    Coin Photographer.

  • robecrobec Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FlyingAl said:
    Eeek Bob! Gold you're able to capture those ones yourself.

    No such thing as too many pics. I always enjoyed the work done with TrueViews, but by now the quality should have started to get better.

  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 12, 2024 3:02PM

    @robec said:

    @FlyingAl said:
    Eeek Bob! Gold you're able to capture those ones yourself.

    No such thing as too many pics. I always enjoyed the work done with TrueViews, but by now the quality should have started to get better.

    Those Mercs TVs appear overexposed. The two problems I am consistently seeing is white balance off (yellowing effect) and overexposure.

  • robecrobec Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Connecticoin said:

    @robec said:

    @FlyingAl said:
    Eeek Bob! Gold you're able to capture those ones yourself.

    No such thing as too many pics. I always enjoyed the work done with TrueViews, but by now the quality should have started to get better.

    Those Mercs TVs appear overexposed. The two problems I am consistently seeing is white balance off (yellowing effect) and overexposure.

    That and the lights aren’t in the correct position to capture shadows that show depth and contours.

  • Jacques_LoungecoqueJacques_Loungecoque Posts: 733 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Connecticoin said:
    For now I plan of sending most, if not all of my PCGS submissions economy so they don’t get Trueviewed. More than happy to pay the $10 service adjustment for coins that exceed $300.

    Spot. On. 👍🏻
    There is no longer a justifiable reason to pay the premium. Especially not when the images could potentially decrease your coins’ values or marketing potential. No impactful difference between TATs either.

    I sure hope TrueViews get trued. I’ll still send my subs, but I’m going to be paying less to do so. It makes me sad what’s going on.

    Having fun while switching things up and focusing on a next level PCGS slabbed 1950+ type set, while still looking for great examples for the 7070.

  • Manifest_DestinyManifest_Destiny Posts: 6,896 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hey PCGS, I just deleted my registry set because of the number of embarrassing photos and I'm halting all further submissions. Not that you care.

  • CopperindianCopperindian Posts: 1,482 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MonsterCoinz said:
    This one had a similar issue.

    That TV looks terrible! The rev looks like photoshop: borders/basic/ba5…..

    “The thrill of the hunt never gets old”

    PCGS Registry: Screaming Eagles
    Copperindian

    Retired sets: Soaring Eagles
    Copperindian

  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 3,222 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Boosibri said:
    I sent this thread and another to Nat Turner and received a very thoughtful and constructive response. He asked for examples (where I linked this thread), and noted they were working on it.

    Can you post his response?

    Coin Photographer.

  • lermishlermish Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just had to add some pics that were uploaded today. Sigh...

    AU58

    AU58

    AU58


  • markelman1125markelman1125 Posts: 1,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It would be cool if you photoshopped your photo of the half over the true view. After all your photo is the better image making it closer to a real true view of the coin.

  • fluffy155fluffy155 Posts: 263 ✭✭✭✭

    I have to say, the trueview of the 1877 looks like a perfect match to your in-hand photos.

  • lermishlermish Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @fluffy155 said:
    I have to say, the trueview of the 1877 looks like a perfect match to your in-hand photos.

    I agree that is the least bad of the 3. However, the toning draws attention away from the flat, yellowish, lackluster fields.

  • robecrobec Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I just received the TrueViews for 3 coins I sent in for regrade. Thankfully two of the coins were linked with their previous TV. The third coin, a 1913 T2 Buffalo, received its first. The good news was the coin was upgraded from MS65 to MS66.


  • hummingbird_coinshummingbird_coins Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @markelman1125 said:
    It would be cool if you photoshopped your photo of the half over the true view. After all your photo is the better image making it closer to a real true view of the coin.

    Yeah, for sharing on the forum, but it won't be what shows up when people verify it on the website.

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  • P0CKETCHANGEP0CKETCHANGE Posts: 2,560 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Beautiful coin @robec and congrats on the well-deserved upgrade. It’s unfortunate to be paired with such a subpar photograph. Judging by the last few posted TVs, it doesn’t seem that any improvement in quality is evident.

    Nothing is as expensive as free money.

  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,160 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well... I'm gunna see how they do with big copper coins... I've got six that were submitted at the Baltimore show...

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  • alaura22alaura22 Posts: 3,193 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @lkenefic said:
    Well... I'm gunna see how they do with big copper coins... I've got six that were submitted at the Baltimore show...

    I admire your optimism, but after seek robec's results.................. :/

  • ProofmorganProofmorgan Posts: 758 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Anyone have a ballpark cert number range where the changeover from Phil occurred?

    Collector of Original Early Gold with beginnings in Proof Morgan collecting.
  • DropdaflagDropdaflag Posts: 807 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just got this Monday. Washed out image and color cast way off the mark.

  • emeraldATVemeraldATV Posts: 4,582 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Good, Better, Best.
    Never let it rest.
    Until, your Good is Better,
    and your Better in hand is the Best.

  • robecrobec Posts: 6,752 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Proofmorgan said:
    Anyone have a ballpark cert number range where the changeover from Phil occurred?

    His departure was announced in the middle of November. I had 2 submissions received the 28th of November that had TrueViews not done by Phil. The certs started with 48xxxxxx.

  • ProofmorganProofmorgan Posts: 758 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @robec said:

    @Proofmorgan said:
    Anyone have a ballpark cert number range where the changeover from Phil occurred?

    His departure was announced in the middle of November. I had 2 submissions received the 28th of November that had TrueViews not done by Phil. The certs started with 48xxxxxx.

    I have a “476” that I just bought that was a mid five figure coin and it doesn’t look like a Phil image based on how nice in hand vs the TV.

    Collector of Original Early Gold with beginnings in Proof Morgan collecting.

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