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  • alaura22alaura22 Posts: 3,193 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DeplorableDan said:
    I just had a conversation with JA about this. He said that it certainly looks suspicious in those photos, and he wants to look at the coin in hand to confirm. He's going to call Ian now, and if the coin is actually tooled then obviously CAC will eat it, and buy it back from the consignor. He wouldn't put his sticker on a coin that's knowingly tooled, but he is human and there is a possibility that it was missed the first time around.

    Thanks Dan for reaching out and getting this looked at
    Can't wait to hear the results and what happenes. Since the seller had it for sale I'm sure JA will just make it right and forward it to NGC

  • jfriedm56jfriedm56 Posts: 1,252 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @jfriedm56 said:

    @jesbroken said:
    I've never even held any of these coins in my hand and certainly do not have a firm grapse of what can occur to dies but here is a comparison of this coin with another that has similar appearance and graded VG10. Both coins show the nose tips beyond the damage? for lack of a better term. Most of the CoinFacts examples have a sharper nose without the appearance of tooling. Perhaps if I had held dozens of these coins, I might have an understanding that this occurred in some fashion and their may be more out there. JMO
    Jim

    Maybe I’m wrong, but I think your comparison of the two portraits is as different as apples and oranges. The portraits are different, due to them not being the same Bolender die variety. So I believe there would be no correlation to these dissimilar coins in comparison.

    As I posted previously, the comparison coin is a half dollar, not a dollar. As such, it wouldn’t be a Bolender variety.

    My bad. I noticed it was a half dollar, but in the moment, forgot to reference that. Thank you for the correction.

  • CrepidoderaCrepidodera Posts: 363 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here's another stickered coin I was reminded of because of the "etching" around the lower portion of the obverse. From a Heritage auction in Dec. 2019. PCGS AG3 CAC.


  • Project NumismaticsProject Numismatics Posts: 1,474 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cameonut2011 said:
    This thread shows that CAC is just as fallible as the other services.

    Does it though?

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,167 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Project Numismatics said:

    @cameonut2011 said:
    This thread shows that CAC is just as fallible as the other services.

    Does it though?

    Some of them have made claims, either express or implied, that a CAC sticker guarantees that they are not buying problem coins. At least two counter examples of CACed coins with obvious tooling were provided. It shows, at a minimum, that CAC is not infallible.

  • willywilly Posts: 324 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Ian,

    As always you are on top of things and responsive to your customer base.

    Willy

  • BarberianBarberian Posts: 3,583 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 4, 2024 9:28AM

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    @Crepidodera said:
    Here's another stickered coin I was reminded of because of the "etching" around the lower portion of the obverse. From a Heritage auction in Dec. 2019. PCGS AG3 CAC.

    I see obvious etching on the lower reverse, not the obverse. Am I missing something? The entire coin shows the signs of being in a suboptimal environment with its etched, fine-scratched surfaces. I try to avoid these coins with this look.

    It seems like CAC overlooks some issues so long as the coin has some original toning. In other words, original toning scores beaucoup points on behalf of the coin stickering while stuff like etching may be discounted. I see charcoal briquettes with pitting and bright, corroded rims getting stickered because they show uniform, terminal toning.

    Also keep in mind that graders will tolerate more issues in lower grades. This F2 CAC is THE most worn, lowest graded 73 NA O3 with a CAC sticker (I checked the other F2 CAC). It has lightly scuffed and hairlined surfaces, some damage (tooling?) to the date but also has some original toning and a decent overall look. Here are two views. The Trueview captures the coin well, whereas the GFRC photo shows the surfaces better. Neither show the light scuffing on the lower obverse. However, I feel the coin is worthy of stickering because it is pretty decent looking with some remaining original toning for such a worn coin.


    Funny story...I showed the 73NA03 to my gf along with two graded, unstickered VF30 and VF35 SLHs and she asked, "What's the green sticker for?" I told her that it designates that it is choice for the grade. She said, "THAT COIN!?" Thankfully, she had forgotten what I paid for it.

    3 rim nicks away from Good
  • ElcontadorElcontador Posts: 7,524 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DelawareDoons said:
    To answer OP, that should not have straight graded, imho, and definitely shouldn't have CACed.

    Don't know about that. I've seen at least a hundred Heraldic Eagle and Flowing Hair Dollars that were net or straight graded and holdered that would have been bagged if they were Seated or later vintage coins. Pre 1815 Dollars, Cents and Half Cents (have not seen enough of the other denominations made in this era to comment) have been graded by different standards than later minted coinage.

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