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Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 1,255 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited May 5, 2024 6:48PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Same year different grades.
Both are DMPL
Coin A


Coin B

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  • seatedlib3991seatedlib3991 Posts: 701 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is there any chance you accidentally posted the same coin twice? James

  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You've messed up the labels on the images and have three obverse images paired with two reverse images.

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  • OverdateOverdate Posts: 7,007 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I believe images 1 and 5 are of the same coin.

    I would pick coin #2 (images 3 and 4), fewer marks on obverse.

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  • Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 1,255 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 6, 2024 12:49PM

    I fouled that up by the way I loaded them. It's fixed now but I've already botched it up.

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  • RobertScotLoverRobertScotLover Posts: 918 ✭✭✭✭✭

    When you state that they are DMPL, I am assuming it isn't what you believe but what is on an other holder than we no longer can rely on, is that a correct assumption on my account?

  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,973 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would assume the stain/toning brought the grade down a notch, so even with the face scratches on #1, I will select it as the higher grade of the two. JMO
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  • Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 1,255 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RobertScotLover
    Both coins are graded by NGC and are DPL.
    My opinion is that they are close in grade but actually are not.
    I want to see what the forum thinks.

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  • bennybravobennybravo Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭

    Both very beautiful, well struck examples. I'd imagine these are showstoppers in person. The first appears not as deeply mirrored on the obverse, so I'll go 64 for the 1st, and 65 for the second as a guess.

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,949 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think that they are both fairly run of the mill MS-64s using today's standards. Years ago, they would have MS-63s. If I had to choose, I'd take the first one.

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 33,975 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BillJones said:
    I think that they are both fairly run of the mill MS-64s using today's standards. Years ago, they would have MS-63s. If I had to choose, I'd take the first one.

    Ditto.

    Hard to nail down a specific grade with those photos. I'll go 64 and 64+. If be mildly surprised if either 65ed, but not shocked. Those photos need better lighting.

  • Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 1,255 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 6, 2024 1:20PM

    I screwed it up from the start by loading all the images at once. They are really nice in hand.
    As far as my original images go. It's not easy to take images of coins especially dmpl's.
    Coin A is 65
    The 63 looks just as nice to be honest with you.

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  • conrad99conrad99 Posts: 375 ✭✭✭

    The 63 looks just as nice to be honest with you.

    And yet the 65 would cost vastly more.

    There's a lesson in there somewhere..

  • stockdude_stockdude_ Posts: 462 ✭✭✭

    Yup. Take the one with the 63 label. Much cheaper. Both are Gem BU

  • DisneyFanDisneyFan Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Morgan13 said:

    Am I seeing a scratch on the cheek below the eye and a black spot across from the M on the MS63? Judging from the serial numbers, both coins seem to be from the same submission NGC group?

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,286 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 7, 2024 9:11AM

    If your looking to find out what pic is better, I'll with the second one, jmo 👍

  • TorinoCobra71TorinoCobra71 Posts: 8,050 ✭✭✭

    @conrad99 said:

    The 63 looks just as nice to be honest with you.

    And yet the 65 would cost vastly more.

    There's a lesson in there somewhere..

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