Am I the only one having a hard time believing that someone owned the "King of the business strike Morgan Dollars" and didn't take any pictures of it? Last I checked, that's about a $20k coin in AU condition... IDK, I'd be taking pictures of it all day long, but I have a much more pedestrian pocketbook...
Collecting: Dansco 7070; Middle Date Large Cents (VF-AU); Box of 20;
@lkenefic said:
Am I the only one having a hard time believing that someone owned the "King of the business strike Morgan Dollars" and didn't take any pictures of it? Last I checked, that's about a $20k coin in AU condition... IDK, I'd be taking pictures of it all day long, but I have a much more pedestrian pocketbook...
Once again - the chances of theft at PCGS are basically zero. However, they do have mishaps from time to time and if the video evidence reveals a problem, they will compensate you. Try to relax, let the process play out and stop the accusations of “theft”.
You are working against yourself by making accusations without evidence - think of PCGS as a partner to help figure out what happened. If they messed up, they will make it right.
Please recheck your inventory/collection and make sure you sent the right coin. Many of us have sent the wrong coin once or twice - it happens.
Next time take pictures of the coin in the shipping box with the shipping label visible before you seal it up. It’s not proof, but it helps.
I'm guessing the OP is an alt. If so, I'd like to know who.
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@lkenefic said:
Am I the only one having a hard time believing that someone owned the "King of the business strike Morgan Dollars" and didn't take any pictures of it? Last I checked, that's about a $20k coin in AU condition... IDK, I'd be taking pictures of it all day long, but I have a much more pedestrian pocketbook...
@lkenefic said:
Am I the only one having a hard time believing that someone owned the "King of the business strike Morgan Dollars" and didn't take any pictures of it? Last I checked, that's about a $20k coin in AU condition... IDK, I'd be taking pictures of it all day long, but I have a much more pedestrian pocketbook...
How about AU Details?
Yeah. A Vegas casino coin is going to have damage
Even a details 93-S is going to be a significant coin and bring out lowball bidders. It's the key date for the series if you exclude the 95 Proof, and in a series that has a huge following. It's just odd to me, in this day and age where everyone is taking pictures of everything (including their food) that someone wouldn't bother to snap even a crappy cell phone image of a key date coin...
Collecting: Dansco 7070; Middle Date Large Cents (VF-AU); Box of 20;
If the coin was sent registered mail, it is unlikely that a employee at the post office exchanged the coin. They would have to open the package, get the dummy coin, reseal the package with or without the seam seal stamp. The post office sometimes takes photos of packages in transit. You may want to check with the post office to find out if there are any postos of your package in transit. If PCGS still has your package, you should ask them if there are any signs of tampering, and have PCGS send you photos of the opened package. You should check the tracking travel log to see if there is anything strange. Quit pointing fingers about the theft and take action to figure out what happened. The post office is not going to accept your claim because they delivered your package. I lost two coin in transit with the post office and it is really difficult to figure out what happened.
My belief is that there is no coin, there was no submission or package, and there will be no PCGS video to review. While I have read this entire thread for entertainment value, it is nothing more. If I am wrong OP please prove it.
@lkenefic said:
Am I the only one having a hard time believing that someone owned the "King of the business strike Morgan Dollars" and didn't take any pictures of it? Last I checked, that's about a $20k coin in AU condition... IDK, I'd be taking pictures of it all day long, but I have a much more pedestrian pocketbook...
How about AU Details?
Yeah. A Vegas casino coin is going to have damage
Even a details 93-S is going to be a significant coin and bring out lowball bidders. It's the key date for the series if you exclude the 95 Proof, and in a series that has a huge following. It's just odd to me, in this day and age where everyone is taking pictures of everything (including their food) that someone wouldn't bother to snap even a crappy cell phone image of a key date coin...
Lowball bidders don't buy details coins. That's the whole challenge of the lowball.
@Turmoil said:
Caution: a valuable coin is missing.
Important: Be aware of any 1893-S Morgan dollar coin, AU-50 or better, that you come across. It may be stolen property.
Note: All of the below acquisitions are only alleged and from my personal observations and point of view. Some of them are quite serious.
On April 24, 2024, I sent PCGS a 1893-S Morgan dollar by Registered Mail. I believed that this coin was AU-50 or better. This is a very valuable coin. When my package arrived to PCGS they informed me that they only received a 1887-S Morgan dollar.
I believe that my valuable coin was lost or stolen at the PCGS facility and that a lesser coin was substituted in its place.
There are several possibilities that could have happened:
Number one possibility: The supervision and quality control of their incoming mail was faulty. My coin got mixed up with other incoming coins. The Receiving Specialist was obviously a confused and disorganized person. She sent me email that was meant for a different person describing a problem with their $5 Gold coin. She sent me email referring to submission numbers which were not mine. She made typo errors that she later apologized for. If this is true then maybe my valuable coin is still in their facility, or maybe it got shipped out to a different person?
Another possibility: My coin was stolen by an individual in the receiving room and then another coin was substituted for it. This facility may process dozens of coins a day. There was a person in the receiving room, that came to work with an average Morgan dollar in their pocket, that was just waiting for the correct situation to use it. Through slight of hand, at an obscure angle from the cameras, they replaced my valuable coin with their average coin.
I have been talking with their investigative people and they disagree with both of the above possibilities. But I do not believe them. I have not seen the movies of the unpacking procedure. I really would like to see them Someone in their facility stole my coin. With normal eyesight it is easy to see the difference between the numbers 1893 and 1887. Three people (including myself) saw me put the correct coin in my package and ship it to PCGS.
This coin has been stuck away in my boyhood collection since the 1950's. I really did not know what I had, or even have now, until I have started examining it. My Parents found this coin in Las Vegas when it was still common to use coins in the slot machines. I am now 77 years old and it is a tragedy for this to happen after all these years. Someone with that coin is now a rich person.
I repeat: Be aware of any 1893-S Morgan dollar coin, AU-50 or better, that you come across. It may be stolen property.
@Turmoil said:
Caution: a valuable coin is missing.
Important: Be aware of any 1893-S Morgan dollar coin, AU-50 or better, that you come across. It may be stolen property.
Note: All of the below acquisitions are only alleged and from my personal observations and point of view. Some of them are quite serious.
On April 24, 2024, I sent PCGS a 1893-S Morgan dollar by Registered Mail. I believed that this coin was AU-50 or better. This is a very valuable coin. When my package arrived to PCGS they informed me that they only received a 1887-S Morgan dollar.
I believe that my valuable coin was lost or stolen at the PCGS facility and that a lesser coin was substituted in its place.
There are several possibilities that could have happened:
Number one possibility: The supervision and quality control of their incoming mail was faulty. My coin got mixed up with other incoming coins. The Receiving Specialist was obviously a confused and disorganized person. She sent me email that was meant for a different person describing a problem with their $5 Gold coin. She sent me email referring to submission numbers which were not mine. She made typo errors that she later apologized for. If this is true then maybe my valuable coin is still in their facility, or maybe it got shipped out to a different person?
Another possibility: My coin was stolen by an individual in the receiving room and then another coin was substituted for it. This facility may process dozens of coins a day. There was a person in the receiving room, that came to work with an average Morgan dollar in their pocket, that was just waiting for the correct situation to use it. Through slight of hand, at an obscure angle from the cameras, they replaced my valuable coin with their average coin.
I have been talking with their investigative people and they disagree with both of the above possibilities. But I do not believe them. I have not seen the movies of the unpacking procedure. I really would like to see them Someone in their facility stole my coin. With normal eyesight it is easy to see the difference between the numbers 1893 and 1887. Three people (including myself) saw me put the correct coin in my package and ship it to PCGS.
This coin has been stuck away in my boyhood collection since the 1950's. I really did not know what I had, or even have now, until I have started examining it. My Parents found this coin in Las Vegas when it was still common to use coins in the slot machines. I am now 77 years old and it is a tragedy for this to happen after all these years. Someone with that coin is now a rich person.
I repeat: Be aware of any 1893-S Morgan dollar coin, AU-50 or better, that you come across. It may be stolen property.
If the Registered package showed signs of tampering, they would not have accepted it as every seam is sealed and marked. Therefore it's up to the sender to document what went into that package.
"I have submitted a claim to the USPO. It was insured for $10K which is only a fraction of the value of that coin."
That makes not sense to me; that someone would under insure a coin of such great value.
Has the OP shown evidence that he filed an a USPS insurance claim ?
18 U.S. Code § 288 - False claims for postal losses
U.S. Code
Notes
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Whoever makes, alleges, or presents any claim or application for indemnity for the loss of any registered or insured letter, parcel, package, or other article or matter, or the contents thereof, knowing such claim or application to be false, fictitious, or fraudulent; or
Whoever for the purpose of obtaining or aiding to obtain the payment or approval of any such claim or application, makes or uses any false statement, certificate, affidavit, or deposition; or
Whoever knowingly and willfully misrepresents, or misstates, or, for the purpose aforesaid, knowingly and willfully conceals any material fact or circumstance in respect of any such claim or application for indemnity—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.
Where the amount of such claim or application for indemnity is less than $1,000 only a fine shall be imposed.
@lkenefic said:
Am I the only one having a hard time believing that someone owned the "King of the business strike Morgan Dollars" and didn't take any pictures of it? Last I checked, that's about a $20k coin in AU condition... IDK, I'd be taking pictures of it all day long, but I have a much more pedestrian pocketbook...
How about AU Details?
Yeah. A Vegas casino coin is going to have damage
Even a details 93-S is going to be a significant coin and bring out lowball bidders. It's the key date for the series if you exclude the 95 Proof, and in a series that has a huge following. It's just odd to me, in this day and age where everyone is taking pictures of everything (including their food) that someone wouldn't bother to snap even a crappy cell phone image of a key date coin...
Lowball bidders don't buy details coins. That's the whole challenge of the lowball.
True... if someone is going for an all P01 set as a definition of "lowball". I'm suggesting someone that doesn't want to spend the amount of a straight graded AU yet still might look at a details coin to complete the set... depending on why it "detailed"...
Edited to add: a details 93-S is still worth something...
...maybe I've been looking at too much early copper
Collecting: Dansco 7070; Middle Date Large Cents (VF-AU); Box of 20;
You say here in your complaint that the postmaster watched you package your coins.
What was the reason for doing that, and why would you even do that? How did you package the coin and how was it sent?
This sounds like a losing battle with pcgs.
@Manifest_Destiny said:
I don't understand the context of the above post or how it was obtained.
The context determines in my opinion this message is by the op based on content written here. It is a screenshot obtained by looking up pcgs complaints on bbb.
Like others have said, check to make sure you haven’t sent the wrong coin. It’s impossible for someone at PCGS to have replaced the coin. They are entrusted with millions and wouldn’t harm their reputation like that. We are also waiting to see pictures of the coin and/or submission.
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There is a rule in law that states if someone states an untruth or a false claim you may then- at your discretion- deem all of their statements or claims as false.
The OP states in his complaint of PCGS he had a submission of eight where "all were not labeled right" (ie: correctly) and all eight were incorrectly labeled as cleaned.
Edited to add:
If this is unbelievable than it is within the reader's privy to discount all other claims made by the OP.
@Manifest_Destiny said:
I don't understand the context of the above post or how it was obtained.
The context determines in my opinion this message is by the op based on content written here. It is a screenshot obtained by looking up pcgs complaints on bbb.
The OP did not write the message by William R as the writing style is different.
Sure seems to be similar to a great many of the troll like celebrity newbies who come on here and complain or ask for advice and argue with whom asked coupled with the typical parking lot find or inherited rarity only difference here is there is no photo to show it is beat up and it isn't a dime
I also don't believe the PCGS lost my lunch story either, so easy to lay the blame on another who isn't going to be defending themselves, and they shouldn't either, not worth their time. All of us have submitted numerous coins to PCGS over the years with never a lost coin in our history let alone PCGS not rectifying any and all situations when and if they were to happen. This story is so perfectly told that he conveniently set it all up to try to pass the smell test, the only problem is it reads because none of it is true. It also pays to have some brains when making things up at minimum as you know when you lie its another thing to have to remember all your subsequent lies, therein lies the problem. Genius didn't realize who the group here is, or genius doesn't care ie another flipping troll. I rest my case
Never ever for the 1000000000000th
time submit a coin directly to PCGS or any other grading service.
For the 1000000000000th time, have a dealer do it even on coins like this:
I gave it to Mr Hunt's shop to send in
+1
This is a somewhat silly conclusion for a couple reasons:
1. It assumes dealer submissions go a different route. They generally do not.
2. You've added another layer of hands that the coin has to go through which is an additional possibility of something going wrong.
Never ever for the 1000000000000th
time submit a coin directly to PCGS or any other grading service.
For the 1000000000000th time, have a dealer do it even on coins like this:
I gave it to Mr Hunt's shop to send in
+1
This is a somewhat silly conclusion for a couple reasons:
1. It assumes dealer submissions go a different route. They generally do not.
2. You've added another layer of hands that the coin has to go through which is an additional possibility of something going wrong.
Remove somewhat.
Also, he lives in Southern California and could easily hand deliver a submission to PCGS, either at their office or a Long Beach show, for less than the price of postage.
Never ever for the 1000000000000th
time submit a coin directly to PCGS or any other grading service.
For the 1000000000000th time, have a dealer do it even on coins like this:
I gave it to Mr Hunt's shop to send in
+1
This is a somewhat silly conclusion for a couple reasons:
1. It assumes dealer submissions go a different route. They generally do not.
2. You've added another layer of hands that the coin has to go through which is an additional possibility of something going wrong.
Never ever for the 1000000000000th
time submit a coin directly to PCGS or any other grading service.
For the 1000000000000th time, have a dealer do it even on coins like this:
I gave it to Mr Hunt's shop to send in
+1
This is a somewhat silly conclusion for a couple reasons:
1. It assumes dealer submissions go a different route. They generally do not.
2. You've added another layer of hands that the coin has to go through which is an additional possibility of something going wrong.
Remove somewhat.
Also, he lives in Southern California and could easily hand deliver a submission to PCGS, either at their office or a Long Beach show, for less than the price of postage.
There are times when the dealer route makes sense. For example if they are doing a show submission, although there is still threat of theft while on the dealers hand.
Never ever for the 1000000000000th
time submit a coin directly to PCGS or any other grading service.
For the 1000000000000th time, have a dealer do it even on coins like this:
I gave it to Mr Hunt's shop to send in
+1
This is a somewhat silly conclusion for a couple reasons:
1. It assumes dealer submissions go a different route. They generally do not.
2. You've added another layer of hands that the coin has to go through which is an additional possibility of something going wrong.
It was a note to "self"
Others may or may not agree.
+1
Just trying to help your "self" get better. When the dealer you submit through gets robbed and is uninsured, remember your note to self. When the dealer's submission gets lost in the mail, remember your note to self. Etc. Etc.
Never ever for the 1000000000000th
time submit a coin directly to PCGS or any other grading service.
For the 1000000000000th time, have a dealer do it even on coins like this:
I gave it to Mr Hunt's shop to send in
+1
This is a somewhat silly conclusion for a couple reasons:
1. It assumes dealer submissions go a different route. They generally do not.
2. You've added another layer of hands that the coin has to go through which is an additional possibility of something going wrong.
....& furthermore I've had dealers plus a forum member do it on my behalf 100s coins w/zero isuues other than the grade.
Do you think I would've been successful on sending this NGC coin upgraded from AU 50, and subsequently a green bean w/o a dealer's well earned help?
Never ever for the 1000000000000th
time submit a coin directly to PCGS or any other grading service.
For the 1000000000000th time, have a dealer do it even on coins like this:
I gave it to Mr Hunt's shop to send in
+1
This is a somewhat silly conclusion for a couple reasons:
1. It assumes dealer submissions go a different route. They generally do not.
2. You've added another layer of hands that the coin has to go through which is an additional possibility of something going wrong.
....& furthermore I've had dealers plus a forum member do it on my behalf 100s coins w/zero isuues other than the grade.
Do you think I would've been successful on sending this NGC coin upgraded from AU 50, and subsequently a green bean w/o a dealer's well earned help?
Another plus 1 😁
Yes. Why not?
I've also never had an issue submitting without going through a dealer. That's nothing but an anecdote.
I'm not telling you to never submit through a dealer. However, using the nonsense accusation on this thread as evidence for the necessity of it is, in my words, "somewhat silly".
Why isn't the lesson here that you should never submit any coins because they'll get stolen? That is the OP's claim.
The dealer I used suggested I box the coins in a USPS box, then put that box into a Fed Ex box declared the insured value, then paid for the shipping using the dealer's FedEx account #.
@Manifest_Destiny said:
I don't understand the context of the above post or how it was obtained.
The context determines in my opinion this message is by the op based on content written here. It is a screenshot obtained by looking up pcgs complaints on bbb.
The OP did not write the message by William R as the writing style is different.
@UpGrayedd said:
My belief is that there is no coin, there was no submission or package, and there will be no PCGS video to review. While I have read this entire thread for entertainment value, it is nothing more. If I am wrong OP please prove it.
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Here’s the submission.
Hollywood calling. Who's going to play;
1. Turmiol
2.. Coinguy1 aka M Feld
3. Wondercoin
4. PCGS Receiving Specialist
"Three people (including myself) saw me put the correct coin in my package and ship it to PCGS."
I'm assuming the other two are @THE_SQUIRREL and @Historical_numi
Am I the only one having a hard time believing that someone owned the "King of the business strike Morgan Dollars" and didn't take any pictures of it? Last I checked, that's about a $20k coin in AU condition... IDK, I'd be taking pictures of it all day long, but I have a much more pedestrian pocketbook...
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How about AU Details?
Once again - the chances of theft at PCGS are basically zero. However, they do have mishaps from time to time and if the video evidence reveals a problem, they will compensate you. Try to relax, let the process play out and stop the accusations of “theft”.
You are working against yourself by making accusations without evidence - think of PCGS as a partner to help figure out what happened. If they messed up, they will make it right.
Please recheck your inventory/collection and make sure you sent the right coin. Many of us have sent the wrong coin once or twice - it happens.
Next time take pictures of the coin in the shipping box with the shipping label visible before you seal it up. It’s not proof, but it helps.
I'm guessing the OP is an alt. If so, I'd like to know who.
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"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Yeah. A Vegas casino coin is going to have damage
Even a details 93-S is going to be a significant coin and bring out lowball bidders. It's the key date for the series if you exclude the 95 Proof, and in a series that has a huge following. It's just odd to me, in this day and age where everyone is taking pictures of everything (including their food) that someone wouldn't bother to snap even a crappy cell phone image of a key date coin...
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If the coin was sent registered mail, it is unlikely that a employee at the post office exchanged the coin. They would have to open the package, get the dummy coin, reseal the package with or without the seam seal stamp. The post office sometimes takes photos of packages in transit. You may want to check with the post office to find out if there are any postos of your package in transit. If PCGS still has your package, you should ask them if there are any signs of tampering, and have PCGS send you photos of the opened package. You should check the tracking travel log to see if there is anything strange. Quit pointing fingers about the theft and take action to figure out what happened. The post office is not going to accept your claim because they delivered your package. I lost two coin in transit with the post office and it is really difficult to figure out what happened.
My belief is that there is no coin, there was no submission or package, and there will be no PCGS video to review. While I have read this entire thread for entertainment value, it is nothing more. If I am wrong OP please prove it.
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Lowball bidders don't buy details coins. That's the whole challenge of the lowball.
Everything is somewhere. Even though we know our brain is inside our head, it doesn't stop some of us from losing our minds.
April fool's day joke in May?
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... and yet, there are no images. Gee, big surprise.
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If the Registered package showed signs of tampering, they would not have accepted it as every seam is sealed and marked. Therefore it's up to the sender to document what went into that package.
Going once going twice, " gone with the wind"
"A valuable coin is missing."
"Saturday mornings with coffee and no coin." Just rename the thread title
"I have submitted a claim to the USPO. It was insured for $10K which is only a fraction of the value of that coin."
That makes not sense to me; that someone would under insure a coin of such great value.
Has the OP shown evidence that he filed an a USPS insurance claim ?
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/288#:~:text=Shall be fined under this,a fine shall be imposed.
18 U.S. Code § 288 - False claims for postal losses
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
Whoever makes, alleges, or presents any claim or application for indemnity for the loss of any registered or insured letter, parcel, package, or other article or matter, or the contents thereof, knowing such claim or application to be false, fictitious, or fraudulent; or
Whoever for the purpose of obtaining or aiding to obtain the payment or approval of any such claim or application, makes or uses any false statement, certificate, affidavit, or deposition; or
Whoever knowingly and willfully misrepresents, or misstates, or, for the purpose aforesaid, knowingly and willfully conceals any material fact or circumstance in respect of any such claim or application for indemnity—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.
Where the amount of such claim or application for indemnity is less than $1,000 only a fine shall be imposed.
True... if someone is going for an all P01 set as a definition of "lowball". I'm suggesting someone that doesn't want to spend the amount of a straight graded AU yet still might look at a details coin to complete the set... depending on why it "detailed"...
Edited to add: a details 93-S is still worth something...
...maybe I've been looking at too much early copper
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A valuable member is missing...
You say here in your complaint that the postmaster watched you package your coins.
What was the reason for doing that, and why would you even do that? How did you package the coin and how was it sent?
This sounds like a losing battle with pcgs.
I don't understand the context of the above post or how it was obtained.
The context determines in my opinion this message is by the op based on content written here. It is a screenshot obtained by looking up pcgs complaints on bbb.
Like others have said, check to make sure you haven’t sent the wrong coin. It’s impossible for someone at PCGS to have replaced the coin. They are entrusted with millions and wouldn’t harm their reputation like that. We are also waiting to see pictures of the coin and/or submission.
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There is a rule in law that states if someone states an untruth or a false claim you may then- at your discretion- deem all of their statements or claims as false.
The OP states in his complaint of PCGS he had a submission of eight where "all were not labeled right" (ie: correctly) and all eight were incorrectly labeled as cleaned.
Edited to add:
If this is unbelievable than it is within the reader's privy to discount all other claims made by the OP.
peacockcoins
The OP did not write the message by William R as the writing style is different.
Note to self
Never ever for the 1000000000000th
time submit a coin directly to PCGS or any other grading service.
For the 1000000000000th time, have a dealer do it even on coins like this:
I gave it to Mr Hunt's shop to send in
+1
Sure seems to be similar to a great many of the troll like celebrity newbies who come on here and complain or ask for advice and argue with whom asked coupled with the typical parking lot find or inherited rarity only difference here is there is no photo to show it is beat up and it isn't a dime
I also don't believe the PCGS lost my lunch story either, so easy to lay the blame on another who isn't going to be defending themselves, and they shouldn't either, not worth their time. All of us have submitted numerous coins to PCGS over the years with never a lost coin in our history let alone PCGS not rectifying any and all situations when and if they were to happen. This story is so perfectly told that he conveniently set it all up to try to pass the smell test, the only problem is it reads because none of it is true. It also pays to have some brains when making things up at minimum as you know when you lie its another thing to have to remember all your subsequent lies, therein lies the problem. Genius didn't realize who the group here is, or genius doesn't care ie another flipping troll. I rest my case
This is a somewhat silly conclusion for a couple reasons:
1. It assumes dealer submissions go a different route. They generally do not.
2. You've added another layer of hands that the coin has to go through which is an additional possibility of something going wrong.
Remove somewhat.
Also, he lives in Southern California and could easily hand deliver a submission to PCGS, either at their office or a Long Beach show, for less than the price of postage.
Chopmarked Trade Dollar Registry Set --- US & World Gold Showcase --- World Chopmark Showcase
It was a note to "self"
Others may or may not agree.
+1
There are times when the dealer route makes sense. For example if they are doing a show submission, although there is still threat of theft while on the dealers hand.
Just trying to help your "self" get better. When the dealer you submit through gets robbed and is uninsured, remember your note to self. When the dealer's submission gets lost in the mail, remember your note to self. Etc. Etc.
You generally want fewer hands not more.
....& furthermore I've had dealers plus a forum member do it on my behalf 100s coins w/zero isuues other than the grade.
Do you think I would've been successful on sending this NGC coin upgraded from AU 50, and subsequently a green bean w/o a dealer's well earned help?
Another plus 1 😁
Yes. Why not?
I've also never had an issue submitting without going through a dealer. That's nothing but an anecdote.
I'm not telling you to never submit through a dealer. However, using the nonsense accusation on this thread as evidence for the necessity of it is, in my words, "somewhat silly".
Why isn't the lesson here that you should never submit any coins because they'll get stolen? That is the OP's claim.
The dealer I used suggested I box the coins in a USPS box, then put that box into a Fed Ex box declared the insured value, then paid for the shipping using the dealer's FedEx account #.
but but but "I did it my way"😁
btw how many times is AU53 Barber Quarter w/a green worth over a genuine or imagine AU50 93-S Morgan?
It's a rhetorical queation
+1
Not only that, the dates don't line up.
Someone who takes pleasure in annoying others anonymously.
This thread is closed as it is a clear violation of Rule #2
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