Discuss the grade of this coin
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Looks 66 to me. Almost completely preserved mint front and above avg luster. Few marks in focal areas and original looking skin.
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First place I look is the cheek. 65.
Not much to say. Full blazing luster, virtually no marks,exceptional eye appeal so I'll guess MS-67 by the ANA Grading Guide. It is a common date and Mint coin with nice color and eye appeal. Probably out of my price range.
66+ if it were a white coin but with that color I could see 67.
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Nice looking coin! I would guess 67.
Very nice coin, a little chatter next to nose and lower jaw, so I'll go 65 or 65+.
66+ gorgeous, streak on cheek limits it there
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It's '79-S which puts the bar a touch higher (for me). I see a strong 66, shot 67. The strike is all there and the luster appears to be as well as can be discerned in images. Eyelash under 67 eye appeal with very minor scuffs/discoloration and a couple widely scattered tick marks. Could certainly see a 66+ if that grade was available. As '79-S Morgan's go? Not a solid 67.
Sure it is a nice coin... likely 66... And there are easily somewhere between 10,000- 15,000 (and likely more) 1879-s Morgans that share this look and the grade.
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I'm at 7 on it. I'm betting that mark on the cheek is a luster graze that disappears at a different angle.
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I am at the 66 club. The rough neck and cheek marks I think would be enough to just miss a 7. Photos make luster seem very good! Minimal marks in the fields too.
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64, possibly 63. Don’t like the fatal x scratches on cheek. Unacceptable for investment.
If it’s actually some higher grade on holder owner blowing it out (can’t sell it off bourse). Got stuffed in backfield.
Probably a lot of them low balled heck out of him. Many would only offer only MS60 money. I would just pass. Yes a lot of us know how to grade and look at coins. You just can’t skip by on some technical grade lol.
Did somebody try put their initials on it lol? Thinking 64 overly generous…for it.
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Indeed, CACG graded it as MS-67.
I won this coin at a reasonable price. I took a chance on this auction lot fully expecting to return it. I agree with the above comment that the bar for 1879-S to 1882-S to achieve a 67 grade is higher than for other dates/mm.
The large photo makes the coin look much worse than viewing it in person with a 5x echenbacker (sic) glass. I was surprised that I I tried to pin down the luster graze on the cheek and the chin but such luster grazes were not even visible unless you held it at a certain crazy angle. I can then see why CACG gave it a 67 instead of a 63 to 65+.
That is the problem with trying to grade by photos especially large photos.
Yeah that is truly the difficulty. Great looking coin! If they aren't scratches and just a luster graze not readily visible in hand, then a 67 seems about right from what else I can see! I wanted to call it a 67 but those did look like hits on the cheek!
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I took a chance on this auction lot fully expecting to return it.
It's an auction and a CACG. How can you justify returning it?
Nice looking coin & deserving of a 67 grade.
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I almost called it a 67 just because GC took the time to photograph it. I decided to shoot as if it was eBay photos (all be it good ones)
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I have no issues with a 67 grade from someone who has actually viewed it in-hand. I noted (from GC) it is a L-legacy piece. By chance, do you know if it was NGC or PCGS? I assume the former slab was MS67? Things would get really interesting if was in an MS65 OH with Gold bean!
They can grade it what they want to and put their little L thingy on there. It’s just not something I would pay 66 or 67 money for. Let alone 65. Good luck with it. I don’t care who has viewed it in hand or their spiel.
I think that guy submitted it to GC bc bourse room players probably low balled heck out of him.
I think that is definitely the most likely reason
Nice pick up @oreville ! I would have been in the 66+ camp. Some day I hope you sell tickets so a few of us can spend a day with you in your SDB viewing room.
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He who LOL last, LOL best. I wonder if the ANA Summer Seminar Grading 101 class is full.
The image is between 1/2 to one full stop overexposed. I try to look at a coin in hand or have a trusted friend do this. Too many times, the picture does not tell the story.
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Agreed. Not even the Uber conservative cacg would call that a 3/4 by any stretch of the imagination. By that measure a 65 gem would be all but spot/mark free.
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From the photo only, i would agree with you. From viewing it in person, it is a solid 67. Only one angle displays the slight luster grazes.
Good question, i did notice that GC coins seem to look better in hand than from their large photos. I have a solid relationship with Ian Russell and if the coin did not meet my expectations I would have felt comfortable asserting my right to return it. .
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Here's the photo from Justin @jtlee321 along with the photo from @PhilArnold from the OP again.
Coin looks like a 7. Only thing I don't like for a 7 is the scratch in front of the base of the neck you can see better in Justin's photos. But I can live with it.
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67 is a stretch with those abrasions on the cheek. I like this coin as an average 66. This date comes nice too, so there are plenty of other examples to choose from that are graded properly.
Th> @BustHalfBrian said:
The point of this thread is to show what a coin looks like using a 15x power glass which makes the coin look horrible.
Normally a classic coin is evaluated using a no more than a 5x power glass. Moderns up to 10x power glass.
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I imagine in hand this coin is a stunner and no way it only gets a 66. Remember 70 is perfect.
I’m looking at the CAC photo, and just cannot grasp how that neck and cheek yielded a 67. It says 65 to me, and indeed, with that coloring mixed in I’d have been one of the lowballers offering 60 money, as that’s what it’d be worth to me. But if you are happy with it, and happy with what you spent on it, what the rest of us think is pretty irrelevant… till resale time lol
Here is another photo of the coin in the slab.
I'm late to the party here but I would have graded 66+-67.
Nice clean coin. Obviously luster and frosty devices.
This one's a keeper.
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It says 65 to you but you'd offer 60 money... does that include to little old widows who are trying to pay for their meds?
Good and informative post
Should the two be more in sync with photo enlargement being equal to glass power?
This coin is over graded in my opinion. It has very few marks, and the surfaces and luster are incredibly nice. The trouble is the marks are on the cheek which is prime focal point. Given that, I would not go passed MS-66 and would consider the coin to be not a choice example for the grade. The isolated marks on the face are consistent with the MS-64 grade. The rest of the coin is better.
Just don’t see it as a 67. The x thingy on cheek bothers me. Reminds me of a 64 I saw. Don’t care who or what graded it. There even looks like something going on in left obv field. Then the neck area has problems too.
Have you shopped it around the bourse? See the L for Legacy perhaps some of them may go for it (but how far back of bid?). Extreme has a good point about when resale time comes. I think they will lowball heck outta it lol.
Not all marks are created equal. A frost rub is different than a bag scrape if if they look similar from an angle. I would be shocked if CAC was lucy goosey with 67s on Morgans when the standard is so established and practiced. I bet the glow in hand makes up for the few imperfections. It’s not a 70 after all
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I would not be interested in that coin at 65 money irrespective of the owner or their medical standing. FOR ME that coin has horrible PQ, that was my point. For example I see these "Monster Toner" coins all of the time, and in addition to the fact that phrase is cringe worthy, usually what they are worth to me is much less than the grade regardless of the toning, let alone the to me outrageous toning premium. But to each their own, I was simply agreeing with the previous comments that on a bourse that coin would net lowball offers.
Looking in coin facts this one has a large pop from 67 to 68+.
Once you get down to the 67s you see a lot of cheek chatter and when the cheek is clean you find a weaker strike most of the time. There’s some opportunity in there as well.
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What is a luster graze exactly?
Before I saw the answer, I took a look at it and was quickly somewhere between 65 and 67. As pointed out by other posters, it all came down to how you weight the marks on the cheek. My grade was 66 from the photos. I can see a 67 if the photos overemphasize the cheek marks.
There’s no way I’d buy a coin through auction “fully expecting to return it.”
And that’s no matter how solid the relationship between myself and the auctioneer.
It would be unfair to the consignor and there’s a good chance it would cost him money.
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CAC photo is between 1/2 and a full stop underexposed. Something may be going on with the white balance as well. Picture settings seem a bit off. May want to change color saturation and change setting to vivid.
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I'll go 66 or a minimum of a 65, fwiw