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1922 No D Cent -- COunterfeit or altered?

CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,167 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,990 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's not the "No D" variety with the strong reverse. The obverse is way too sharp.

    If you look at under the magnification option, the surfaces are full of chunks of medal. I'd say it's a straight up counterfeit.

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,480 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The obverse, although grainy, still looks altered, and the whole thing looks too good. LIBERTY in particular doesn't have the joined (or close to) letters R and T. I always considered that as another clue to authenticity.

    Pete

    "I tell them there's no problems.....only solutions" - John Lennon
  • WinLoseWinWinLoseWin Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My take is an overseas counterfeit.

    It seems mushy in the wrong places such as the TY in LIBERTY. Also appears slightly grainy to me with possibly some raised marks on Lincolns face.

    Also noticed various expensive counterfeits in the sellers sold items, so suspect they know exactly what they are doing.

    https://ebay.com/sch/i.html?item=116153967773&rt=nc&_ssn=holyland-collection&LH_Sold=1&LH_Complete=1

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  • WinLoseWinWinLoseWin Posts: 1,573 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Just noticed a different 1922 with the same face marks and TY in LIBERTY in their sold items.

    https://ebay.com/itm/116091199865?itmmeta=01HW0YJKWHNKMZWTXHNVVW463V&hash=item1b07932179:g:LTUAAOSweVdl5gG5

    "To Be Esteemed Be Useful" - 1792 Birch Cent --- "I personally think we developed language because of our deep need to complain." - Lily Tomlin

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 28,339 ✭✭✭✭✭

    21 bids, take your chances with no slab 😕

  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks fake to me.

  • UncleJoeUncleJoe Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭

    Counterfeit IMO.

    Joe.

  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,475 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Raised bubbles on Lincoln's cheek.
    I do not think any part of the coin is a US Mint product.

  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,112 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It really pains me in a significant way to write what I am about to write...

    look at the color, the grade and then ask yourself... Why would anyone sell/auction this coin raw?

    I promise not to use fishy and Denmark in the same sentence even though I just did...

    Experience the World through Numismatics...it's more than you can imagine.

  • BikergeekBikergeek Posts: 416 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @WinLoseWin said:
    My take is an overseas counterfeit.

    It seems mushy in the wrong places such as the TY in LIBERTY. Also appears slightly grainy to me with possibly some raised marks on Lincolns face.

    Also noticed various expensive counterfeits in the sellers sold items, so suspect they know exactly what they are doing.

    https://ebay.com/sch/i.html?item=116153967773&rt=nc&_ssn=holyland-collection&LH_Sold=1&LH_Complete=1

    Agree - several coins look fishy. And for a dealer with such eclectic wares, one wonders how they come across these problematic 1896-S and 1913-S quarters. AVOID

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  • TrampTramp Posts: 686 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Altered, if not, then a counterfeit IMO.

    "IN GOD WE" has stronger strike than it should have. The "L" in Liberty is not riding the rim.

    Something is off with Lincoln's jacket and also his neckline towards the back; too pronounced.

    USAF (Ret.) 1985 - 2005. E-4B Aircraft Maintenance Crew Chief and Contracting Officer.
    My current Registry sets:
    ✓ Everyman Mint State Carson City Morgan Dollars (1878 – 1893)
    ✓ Everyman Mint State Lincoln Cents (1909 – 1958)
    ✓ Morgan Dollar GSA Hoard (1878 – 1891)

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,167 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @WinLoseWin said:
    Just noticed a different 1922 with the same face marks and TY in LIBERTY in their sold items.

    https://ebay.com/itm/116091199865?itmmeta=01HW0YJKWHNKMZWTXHNVVW463V&hash=item1b07932179:g:LTUAAOSweVdl5gG5

    Bingo! Good catch.
    Will report it as a counterfeit.

    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 33,092 ✭✭✭✭✭

    looks like """die polishing""" obliterated part of the inside of lincoln's ear

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,215 ✭✭✭✭✭



    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,331 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 25, 2024 4:33PM

    Cool; I assume Coin World is OK with you posting these images...

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,215 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 25, 2024 4:44PM

    @burfle23 said:
    Cool; I assume Coin World is OK with you posting these images...

    Too late!

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • TrampTramp Posts: 686 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:

    @WinLoseWin said:
    Just noticed a different 1922 with the same face marks and TY in LIBERTY in their sold items.

    https://ebay.com/itm/116091199865?itmmeta=01HW0YJKWHNKMZWTXHNVVW463V&hash=item1b07932179:g:LTUAAOSweVdl5gG5

    Bingo! Good catch.
    Will report it as a counterfeit.

    The coin in the link.

    USAF (Ret.) 1985 - 2005. E-4B Aircraft Maintenance Crew Chief and Contracting Officer.
    My current Registry sets:
    ✓ Everyman Mint State Carson City Morgan Dollars (1878 – 1893)
    ✓ Everyman Mint State Lincoln Cents (1909 – 1958)
    ✓ Morgan Dollar GSA Hoard (1878 – 1891)

  • Slade01Slade01 Posts: 294 ✭✭✭

    @OAKSTAR said:

    @burfle23 said:
    Cool; I assume Coin World is OK with you posting these images...

    Too late!

    Fair use for educational non-commercial purposes to teach avoiding counterfeits and you cited the author and publication. One page out of a whole issue that will not have a negative impact on the original publication. You win on all 4 of the fair use "balancing factors."

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,215 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Slade01 said:

    @OAKSTAR said:

    @burfle23 said:
    Cool; I assume Coin World is OK with you posting these images...

    Too late!

    Fair use for educational non-commercial purposes to teach avoiding counterfeits and you cited the author and publication. One page out of a whole issue that will not have a negative impact on the original publication. You win on all 4 of the fair use "balancing factors."

    Don't tell me, tell @burfle23

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • Slade01Slade01 Posts: 294 ✭✭✭

    Why, is he an intellectual property attorney registered to practice before the USPTO like me?
    If so, he would already know the balancing factors used by the Copyright office and the courts.

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,215 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well, tell someone else that cares. Because I don't!

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,003 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OAKSTAR said:
    Well, tell someone else that cares. Because I don't!

    Getting a bit spicy on this three-day holiday weekend.

    :o

    peacockcoins

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,215 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 26, 2024 1:12PM

    @braddick said:

    @OAKSTAR said:
    Well, tell someone else that cares. Because I don't!

    Getting a bit spicy on this three-day holiday weekend.

    :o

    Semper Fi! 🇺🇸

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,003 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OAKSTAR said:

    @braddick said:

    @OAKSTAR said:
    Well, tell someone else that cares. Because I don't!

    Getting a bit spicy on this three-day holiday weekend.

    :o

    Semper Fi! 🇺🇸


    peacockcoins

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,215 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I can tell you one thing @braddick. With the exception of the DI being shot and killed, every aspect and scene of the "Full Metal Jacket" boot camp, was my book camp to an absolute tee! The vocabulary, body language, the cadence, the barracks, everything! When I first saw the movie, I was mesmerized and in shock. I couldn't believe what I was watching. It was like I was watching a LIVE boot camp scene! I'm thinking to myself, this guy is a fantastic actor! At the time, I had no idea he was a DI.

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,003 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It won't match what you went through, yet I do remember vividly in Boy Scouts having to carry a watermelon on a long hike in the summertime.
    Of course all of use despositing our watermellons in a cold creek bed and then gorging on watermellon around a camp fire later that evening made up for the 'torture' we each endured.

    peacockcoins

  • burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,331 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Slade01 said:

    @OAKSTAR said:

    @burfle23 said:
    Cool; I assume Coin World is OK with you posting these images...

    Too late!

    Fair use for educational non-commercial purposes to teach avoiding counterfeits and you cited the author and publication. One page out of a whole issue that will not have a negative impact on the original publication. You win on all 4 of the fair use "balancing factors."

    Thanks for the clarification; I post in my groups educational images for counterfeit detection and learning, and opposite of @OAKSTAR I DO CARE.

  • Slade01Slade01 Posts: 294 ✭✭✭

    @burfle23 I applaud your efforts, and that is what the idea of fair use is all about. Moreover, I seriously doubt that Coin World would mind the limited use of their articles for education, they get the attribution for the work and free advertising of the value of their publication in its entirety.

  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks @burfle23 for the great memories of the Gong Show and the Unknown Comic 😆😆

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