Are these Graded Correctly?
USA_Bullion_and_Coin
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I recently started trying to improve my grading skills. I have the grades and pictures on this spreadsheet. If you want to see the higher quality pictures just click the link above the pictures. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16KpTVDGWFJxMzPnly4ozmyq8T45WhLpWF4mwG50jSLA/edit#gid=0
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You may want to post some images here and ask. You may find a lot of people are not going to use links to a spreadsheet or anything else here. Are you able to post images of a couple pieces? I’m sure you will get much better responses.
I graded this MS-66 FB
No, the 1945 dime isn’t graded correctly. It’s not FB and the reverse flaws make it appear that it shouldn’t grade higher than MS64.
Did you recently post here under a different identity?
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Why would it not be considered FB?
He did.
The stain below the "OF" on the reverse is the 'tell'.
Same coin- same banned member: FinnsCoin.
peacockcoins
@USA_Bullion_and_Coin (FinnsCoin), you can't get yourself banned and then just set up a new ID.
Simple because the middle bands are not split. Look at some actual high quality images of the differences and you will see it.
With that said, looks like you already asked this, didn’t like the answers, and now have a new username. As I assume you will be removed, maybe better to try a new forum, though you will get the same answers unfortunately. Good luck!
I got a more zoomed in picture than I had. Plus im genuinely trying to learn how to. Can you give me advice on some other coins in the spreadsheet.
OP: why not send it to USB to be graded.
Assuming this doesn't get poofed in the next few hours at least we'll have some entertainment for the weekend.
Best you move on to another group. I’ve read your previous posts under a different banned user name. I can’t offer any help to you, as there seems to be little knowledge and hopeful dreams. Good luck!
Edited to add: it may seem like we are being difficult but realize you are on a very respected coin forum with basically most of the experts in coins posting here. I personally have been involved in this hobby for over 30 years, in many cases this makes me a youngster here!! Coin collectors are very attention to details, which carries over to attention to looking into dealers and their “reputation”. I think you are doing no service to yourself here, matter fact are digging a bigger hole.
I will comment that it is a much better than average strike for a 45-P dime.
Collector, occasional seller
I'm Just trying to get some help and learn how to grade.
"I'm just trying to get some help and learn how to grade."
"I have started a grading company."
peacockcoins
Well, people didn't think I did it correctly last time so I'm trying to get advice.
I totally understand that, but it looks like you may not find the answers here. Banned previous members are banned for a reason. I suggest looking up on Google coin forums and you can find plenty of opportunities. However, unfortunately many are members on many sites and I think you’ve dug a hole too deep to continue. It is a huge problem when people grade crazy higher than correct; with fake holders and try to sell to an unsuspecting buyer. That doesn’t fly here, on another group, or anywhere related to coins. We as a group actively try to stop that in the hobby.
I have been a dealer since 1999 and make my living in coins. It takes a lot of work, dedication, etc. If you can’t grade regular coins, it will be difficult to be a seller. If you were just collecting, quite different. But let’s not fool ourselves. That is not what’s happening here
Grading is not something you can learn in a week, a month, or even a year.
Look at mountains of slabbed coins, and when you are done, look at mountains more.
Buy slabbed common coins in a run of grades and identify the differences.
Lastly, there is a book that lists all the TPGs that have come and gone over the years. If you consider their fate, it might be a sobering and humbling experience.
If you’re trying to learn how to grade, look at as many coins in PCGS, NGC and CACG holders as you can. Also, look at lots and lots of especially good pictures of coins in those holders.
Lastly, try to find knowledgeable collectors and dealers at shows who are willing to spend a bit of time sitting down and reviewing coins with you. I realize it’s much easier suggested than done.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
you feel this is $25K coin? What is under the U on the reverse? Is it a strike through?
Quite possibly a strike trough it doesn't look like a scratch.
No one can grade from your images correctly, but that is no MS66
Regarding the FB designation, while that is a well struck 45 Philly, it is not FB. Close doesn't count.
That said If it is a straight grade Unc (maybe) and you can get it in a PCGS FB holder, it's a score, regardless of the MS grade. But I would bet you can throw good money after bad chasing that all day, and you will not win that bet.
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And you really need to try harder to hide the alt. Lol
Ignore the negatives. If you get into a contest with them, it will just get you banned again. Focus on the actual helpful comments.
It's Friday.
Just feel the urge to pile on........
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Where did that Proof seated half come from? It looks fake.
Better yet, just go off into the mountains...
You are young and full of gusto which is good.
Often the best advice given is to work for a dealer for a couple of years. Because you know jack squat.
My advice remains the same...
SELL your stuff... they are problem coins and it teaches you that grading (and grading Company) and condition matters. You learn to buy "right"
Buy PCGS, NGC graded coins... Why? anything in other holders get fractions of value because it is too expensive to convert into PCGS/NGC holder. The astute buyer will ask... why is it in CGI/ANACS and not the majors holder? That is why UBS/ANACS/CGI are essentially valued as raw coins unless there is a hidden variety worth many multiples.
Buy coins with CAC stickers... they are market gold standard approved by legends in the industry
Join coin clubs and find a dealer or club mentor... you need to understand the rudimentary reasons a coin is AU vs MS. You need to be seen, be enthusiastic, make connections.
Attend coin shows... you need to see thousands of coins nearly daily or weekly or the acquired skills will diminish
Offer your services to dealers at a coin show... see above
Attend ANA seminars... the money you spend traveling and attending shows and seminars is worth more than anything you can buy on Ebay and get opinions from on forums. Two days in the Beginning grading class will open your eyes.
It's called tuition and we all pay it.
Some are on here trying to pay it forward.
This is the path most take... and you cannot make in this business without friends, mentors, seeing coins in hand, and having a plan.
One of my earliest memories was attending a major show and viewing the auction lots. The lovely young lady would bring me coins to view in the comfort of a quiet room, at my own pace, with no pressure to hurry.
You are stuck in the mud and digging deeper and going nowhere. Alot of more more qualified people than myself are trying to help you. Go back and read the responses with an open mind.
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not going to turn you in but no one may have to do that. they'd read a thread like this.
screams finnscoin 66 is too generous. did you grade the obverse and the reverse both? that reverse is beat.
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If PCGS will grant a pardon...
If you can with hold from schilling third world slabs...
If you join and attend monthly, one or more coin clubs...
If you volunteer/work for a couple local show dealer or promoters
If you are still standing by January 2025
I will pay for your Beginning and Intermediate grading seminar courses
Why the rules? Get used to it. This will be your life in a dealer career path in numismatics. All consuming. All in.
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I'd be more inclined to believe you were acting in good faith if you misgraded a 1943 walking half. Instead, you "misgrade" a coin that would coincidentally be worth 25k.
Lets see your in you mind
the 1867 seated half dollar you wished is PR 65 cameo. or the 3 cent piece.
@FinnsCoin
Are you still going to attempt to set up at the show.
I would still like too. I can meet a lot of other collectors and people buy the coin, not the grade. If you want to see the coins you can click the google sheet link.
I wouldn't even know where to start with most of this stuff
My LCS. I don't think it's fake.
Everbody just report this one and he can take his junk elsewhere..
I also regraded some of them with harsher grades. To be completely honest a good camera is such a big factor I could see many more marks than without a good camera.
It’s your camera.
Buy the coin not the grade like all your other posts makes no sense. Yes you should go a show and tell you the truth about your Coins?
I think you are missing a few words but anyone that buys any of my graded coins will be told by me that they are self graded.
So you are honest that the seated half is really pr 68 and cameo and tell anybody if you attempt to sell that its correct.
Did you actually buy it at that grade?
I am going to stop responding. It is too hard to read your sentences with all the missing words and grammatical errors. But I am going to be fully transparent with those who buy from me. I also never listed the half dollar as PR68 and I bought it raw.
Friday follies, here we go.
How can coins grade themselves?
This was a very fair proposal and also a generous offer by yspsales. It was your path to redemption, knowledge, and head start to becoming a respected coin dealer.
Then….your response is honestly disappointing. It shows to me that you don’t want to take the initiative and put in any actual time or work.
It's a genuine answer. I don't know where to start. I don't know of any coin clubs, the one dealer I know is a one man show, and I think this account will be gone by Monday.
You bought it as a cameo proof????
It was raw.
Start at the very beginning... it's a very fine place to start.
Join a club.
Attend a coin show.
Take it from there...