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CallthemoutCallthemout Posts: 57
edited February 10, 2024 8:08PM in U.S. Coin Forum

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  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 2,743 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Take a picture of the whole coin, and post that.

    All 1964 "SMS" coins are accounted for and already have been graded. None exist out "in the wild", and haven't for the last several decades.

  • see thats so neat so every die mark in black and white right in front of you doesnt matter one little bit does it

  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 2,743 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 10, 2024 3:33PM

    @Callthemout said:
    see thats so neat so every die mark in black and white right in front of you doesnt matter one little bit does it

    That's just the fact of the matter. For what it's worth, none of the markers shown on your coin match the "SMS" examples.

  • the whole picture doesn't show you the die marks so why would i bother worrying about that the die marks are just like a set of finger prints no two are the same and as soon as you can explain to me how my coin has a set of sms finger prints on it ill drop it GONE

  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 2,743 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Callthemout said:
    the whole picture doesn't show you the die marks so why would i bother worrying about that the die marks are just like a set of finger prints no two are the same and as soon as you can explain to me how my coin has a set of sms finger prints on it ill drop it GONE

    Ok. If you're sure, I'd advise you to send it to PCGS.

  • im going to... ive has it for around ten years i just wanted to see like i posted if anyone else see's what ive been seeing

  • that's why i posted the two pictures of the graded coins i used as ref.

  • silviosisilviosi Posts: 444 ✭✭✭

    No it is not the SMS. The texture of the coin, the digit 4 marker it is not and to many photos but not the 4 stars back of the head.

    NEVER ARGUE WITH AN IDIOT.FIRST THEY WILL DRAG YOU DOWN TO THEIR LEVEL.THEN, THEY WILL BEAT YOU WITH EXPERIENCE. MARK TWAIN

  • robecrobec Posts: 6,529 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 10, 2024 3:48PM

    ALL the 1964 Kennedy’s considered to be SMS were found in the Mint Director’s safe. All are accounted for. Any 1964 Kennedy half dollars found that don’t have a trail leading to that safe are SOL.

  • What would be really neat is if someone would take 15-20 min. out of their day and really compare the two coins and give me a truthful opinion. not just jumping out their saying they found everyone of them and their isnt one left well i just went to pcgs and it says their may be up to 50 out their.. you know they only struck 3950762 coins so it neat that out of almost 4 million their is only maybe 50 coin facts tell you the truth..

  • SanctionIISanctionII Posts: 11,593 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The easy way to solve your quandry about whether your 1964 half dollar is an SMS is to submit it to our host (or another top TPG) for grading. The TPG you choose will provide you with an "Expert" opinion that will backed up by an enforceable guaranty.

    If the coin is determined to be an SMS then kudos to you and your skills in finding and acquiring same.

    If the coin is determined to not be an SMS then you can either:

    1. agree with the TPG; or

    2. disagree with the TPG and seek a second (or third or fourth opinion [including requesting that the Mint review the coin and provide you with the opinion of the manufacturer of the coin]).

    If you choose to submit the coin to a TPG good luck and post an update to this thread revealing what the TPG determines the coin to be.

  • jonathanbjonathanb Posts: 3,384 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Callthemout said:
    the die marks are just like a set of finger prints no two are the same

    Um... huh?

  • IkesTIkesT Posts: 2,352 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • so here is the problem with that statement." ALL the 1964 Kennedy’s considered to be SMS were found in the Mint Director’s safe. All are accounted for. Any 1964 Kennedy half dollars found that don’t have a trail leading to that safe are SOL." so how did they trace the one that was found in pocket change to the mint director?????????? did they have a apple air tag on it when it was being passed around as pocket change?
    it does have it hanging off the 4 i just didn't post that picture cause im comparing die marks not the obvious
    but ill post the hanging 4

  • plus the top of the 4 also you can see the point tooo

  • IkesTIkesT Posts: 2,352 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Callthemout Congratz on your 5 and 25 LOL badges, by the way. ;)

  • this post is to get people to take a really good look at the die marks not for strong minded post like what im seeing

  • braddickbraddick Posts: 22,824 ✭✭✭✭✭

    PCGS is the way, the truth and the light.

    peacockcoins

  • i dont know what those are ikesT

  • i know its going to pcgs... heck i've had it for 10 years i don't care either way to be quite honest about it

  • TomBTomB Posts: 20,604 ✭✭✭✭✭

    And here I was afraid you might not show all 138-pictures taken of your coin. Whew!

    Thomas Bush Numismatics & Numismatic Photography

    In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson

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  • this is one of the most argumentative topics out their i pulled it out the other day when i was digging for a 1854-o with arrows i needed to send off to pcgs




  • and this one

  • my 1950-d

  • silviosisilviosi Posts: 444 ✭✭✭

    Callthemout said
    What would be really neat is if someone would take 15-20 min. out of their day and really compare the two coins and give me a truthful opinion. not just jumping out their saying they found everyone of them and their isnt one left well i just went to pcgs and it says their may be up to 50 out their.. you know they only struck 3950762 coins so it neat that out of almost 4 million their is only maybe 50 coin facts tell you the truth..

    No never was 50 sets done. Was some sets at the Adams place. Others was distributed to very high officials and international high profile political (states first officials)

    The Efemera and all kind of hypotesis, do not exist with this essay in 1964.

    Do you has this markers?? Then send for grading to our host:


    Thanks

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  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 2,743 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 10, 2024 4:41PM

    @Callthemout said:
    so here is the problem with that statement." ALL the 1964 Kennedy’s considered to be SMS were found in the Mint Director’s safe. All are accounted for. Any 1964 Kennedy half dollars found that don’t have a trail leading to that safe are SOL." so how did they trace the one that was found in pocket change to the mint director?????????? did they have a apple air tag on it when it was being passed around as pocket change?
    it does have it hanging off the 4 i just didn't post that picture cause im comparing die marks not the obvious
    but ill post the hanging 4

    None ever were found in pocket change. They seemingly went straight from the mint to a prominent dealer's inventory.

    Contrary to popular belief, these were never in the Adams estate.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 11,682 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 10, 2024 4:48PM

    @robec said:
    ALL the 1964 Kennedy’s considered to be SMS were found in the Mint Director’s safe. All are accounted for. Any 1964 Kennedy half dollars found that don’t have a trail leading to that safe are SOL.

    What’s your source for that assertion? I haven’t heard that and don’t believe it to be accurate.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 11,682 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FlyingAl said:
    Take a picture of the whole coin, and post that.

    All 1964 "SMS" coins are accounted for and already have been graded. None exist out "in the wild", and haven't for the last several decades.

    Call me a nit-picker if you wish. But there’s a difference between “a few” and “several”. I know that you know approximately when the coins first surfaced and the early 90’s wasn’t several decades ago.😉

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,012 ✭✭✭✭✭

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  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 2,743 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @FlyingAl said:
    Take a picture of the whole coin, and post that.

    All 1964 "SMS" coins are accounted for and already have been graded. None exist out "in the wild", and haven't for the last several decades.

    Call me a nit-picker if you wish. But there’s a difference between “a few” and “several”. I know that you know approximately when the coins first surfaced and the early 90’s wasn’t several decades ago.😉

    Mark, I feel obligated to return the favor of nit-picking. :wink:

    From Oxford:
    sev·er·al
    /ˈsev(ə)rəl/
    determiner · pronoun
    more than two but not many.

    1990 was three over three decades ago, which would fit Oxford's definition of several.

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,012 ✭✭✭✭✭

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,012 ✭✭✭✭✭

    i see different die marks in the fields around the 6 and 4.

    not the sms

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  • GreenstangGreenstang Posts: 708 ✭✭✭✭

    Guess the OP is not going to believe anyone here, he is now trying his luck on the NGC forum.
    Getting pretty much the same answers though.

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,012 ✭✭✭✭✭

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,012 ✭✭✭✭✭

    not even a maybe

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 11,682 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FlyingAl said:

    @MFeld said:

    @FlyingAl said:
    Take a picture of the whole coin, and post that.

    All 1964 "SMS" coins are accounted for and already have been graded. None exist out "in the wild", and haven't for the last several decades.

    Call me a nit-picker if you wish. But there’s a difference between “a few” and “several”. I know that you know approximately when the coins first surfaced and the early 90’s wasn’t several decades ago.😉

    Mark, I feel obligated to return the favor of nit-picking. :wink:

    From Oxford:
    sev·er·al
    /ˈsev(ə)rəl/
    determiner · pronoun
    more than two but not many.

    1990 was three over three decades ago, which would fit Oxford's definition of several.

    If “several” is more than two, what’s “a few”? And wouldn’t you agree that the latter is less than the former?

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 2,743 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @FlyingAl said:

    @MFeld said:

    @FlyingAl said:
    Take a picture of the whole coin, and post that.

    All 1964 "SMS" coins are accounted for and already have been graded. None exist out "in the wild", and haven't for the last several decades.

    Call me a nit-picker if you wish. But there’s a difference between “a few” and “several”. I know that you know approximately when the coins first surfaced and the early 90’s wasn’t several decades ago.😉

    Mark, I feel obligated to return the favor of nit-picking. :wink:

    From Oxford:
    sev·er·al
    /ˈsev(ə)rəl/
    determiner · pronoun
    more than two but not many.

    1990 was three over three decades ago, which would fit Oxford's definition of several.

    If “several” is more than two, what’s “a few”? And wouldn’t you agree that the latter is less than the former?

    Mark, I'd say that a few is around 5. However, I never used "few" in my comments.

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,012 ✭✭✭✭✭

    there are more than a few difference and several have said that in posts too many to count?

    am i irritating now?

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  • MICHAELDIXONMICHAELDIXON Posts: 6,336 ✭✭✭✭✭

    With this coin being of such high significance, and value, I would recommend to the OP that he go to a major show and submit it through the Show Express. It's only money, and...what is money in the education process?

    Spring National Battlefield Coin Show is April 12-13, 2024 at the Eisenhower Hotel in Gettysburg, PA. WWW.AmericasCoinShows.com
  • robecrobec Posts: 6,529 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @robec said:
    ALL the 1964 Kennedy’s considered to be SMS were found in the Mint Director’s safe. All are accounted for. Any 1964 Kennedy half dollars found that don’t have a trail leading to that safe are SOL.

    What’s your source for that assertion? I haven’t heard that and don’t believe it to be accurate.

    No particular source. Just what I’ve read from an assortment of threads on the subject from here and other message boards over years by those with more knowledge than I have. If you have more information on where these were found I’m all ears. There are countless threads here that mention these all having been discovered in Adams safe.

  • silviosisilviosi Posts: 444 ✭✭✭

    Interesting. How many Adams sets has? According by what is say 9 sets. Apparenly 20 sets was produce. In one of the Mint report of 1964, and the congress comitee discussion with the Adams, she submited the new design and process to replace the proof coins for the forward period 1965 to 1967 due to the requests from the reserve for the No of coinage. Well know that the 1964 production finish in 1965, The 1965 in 1966 and stabilise in 1967.

    Any time when the Mint present a new design or such many samples are presented. Also some samples are give to White House and International Presidential Relations Department. This department will keep those coins or medals for future diplomatic or presidential gifts.

    How many sets was really produce??? Who can see the Mint archive, if can, will tell us the No. I saw in my life 3 sets outside US as London, Monaco and Sweeden. How many was struck??? No clue.

    NEVER ARGUE WITH AN IDIOT.FIRST THEY WILL DRAG YOU DOWN TO THEIR LEVEL.THEN, THEY WILL BEAT YOU WITH EXPERIENCE. MARK TWAIN

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,012 ✭✭✭✭✭

    from CoinFacts:
    https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/1964-50c-sms/6844

    Jaime Hernandez: Plain and simple, the 1964 Special Strike Kennedy Half's are not suppose to exist. However, there are about a dozen or so examples which have surfaced in the past 15 years. Therefore, it is the scarcest non error or variety Kennedy Half Dollar in existence.

    The 1964 Special Strike Kennedy Half dollars display very unique characteristics unseen on any other coins of the era. First of all, the strike is very sharp as it displays very clear details on both the obverse and the reverse. The coins also contain a smooth satin like appearance with the rims being very square and sharp. There are die polishing lines throughout the coins surfaces. These coins also tend to lack contact marks unlike business strike coins, indicating that they were struck and handled under extreme care. Furthermore, the coins do not display the reflective surfaces that are usually encountered on proof coins.

    These 1964 Special Strike Kennedy Half’s were first noticed in 1993 when they appeared in a Stacks auction. Apparently, the coins originated from Lester Merkin who was a well known coin dealer. His collection was later consigned to Stacks. It is also believed that Lester Merkin initially acquired the coins from a Mint employee or Eva Adams who was former Director of the U.S. Mint.

    Coincidentally, there are also other Special Strike coins in different denominations that exist for this date. These include the Lincoln cent, Jefferson nickel, Roosevelt dime and the Washington quarter. There is also about one or two dozen sets believed to exist for each of these denominations.

    In numismatics there are also other coins which are not supposed to exist, such as the 1933 Saint Gaudens double eagles and the 1913 Liberty nickels. It also took years before some of these coins ever surfaced, and the entire circumstances in how they eluded the U.S Mint is also a complete mystery. Although, the 1964 Special Strike coins are not necessarily in the same league as other classic rarities, they do tend to have the same mysterious history behind them. The fact there are also very little examples of these coins in existence and much cheaper than other legendary coins, only makes them much more desirable to a lot of collectors.

    As of September 2009, PCGS has only certified 12 examples of the 1964 Special Strike Kennedy Half Dollars in all grades combined. In conclusion, this also makes it the scarcest of all the 1964 Special Strike coin denominations produced.

    Ron Guth:

    One of the interesting diagnostic features of the Specimen Strike 1964 Half Dollars is a small, raised defect that appears to hang from the crosslet of the 4. This defect has been seen on all examples except one. In an admittedly rare hypothtical situation where one of these remarkable coins was spent, the defect can be used to confirm the original status of the coin.

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  • off pcgs website

    PCGS #: 6844
    DESIGNER: Roberts/Frank Gasparro
    EDGE: Reeded
    DIAMETER: 31.00 millimeters
    WEIGHT: 12.50 grams
    MINTAGE: 3,950,762
    MINT: Philadelphia
    METAL: 90% Silver, 10% Copper
    AUCTION RECORD: $156,000 • SP68 • 08-20-2019 • Stack's Bowers
    CONDITION CENSUS NARRATIVE SEND US FEEDBACK

  • o lets see what the mintage says

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