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What’s wrong with this coin? Long Beach Expo Newp

renomedphysrenomedphys Posts: 3,472 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited February 2, 2024 4:17PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Taking this one home from Long Beach today. See if you can guess the error. This is a serious question. I’m thinking the holder is in “error” as well.

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  • UltraHighReliefUltraHighRelief Posts: 2,288 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2, 2024 4:10PM

    Just a little bit off... B) Great piece!

  • GreenstangGreenstang Posts: 723 ✭✭✭✭

    It’s been double struck with a rotation.
    Can we see the other side

  • jacrispiesjacrispies Posts: 670 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2, 2024 4:30PM

    Oh cool you bought this coin! I have seen it for a while, one of the most dramatic of all Classic US coin errors! Congrats on the wonderful piece.

    Edit:
    The error looks to be a double strike, 90 degree rotation with a post-strike obverse delamination.

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  • scubafuelscubafuel Posts: 1,716 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Double stuck, rotated 90 degrees, with a strike thru on the second strike. From the pic I don’t think it’s a lamination.

  • renomedphysrenomedphys Posts: 3,472 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sorry for the glare.

  • renomedphysrenomedphys Posts: 3,472 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Tom Reynolds and David McCarthy both said it’s a lamination and that was my take as well. JD said it looked like a strike-through but it’s really impossible to know, and Rick Snow said it looked post strike because of the remnant of the 1 in the first strike date. So really a conundrum? There does appear to be metal missing but honestly the edges are a lot softer than a delam void.

  • scubafuelscubafuel Posts: 1,716 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That was my thinking. It is too smooth, especially at the edges to be lamination unless it wore down afterward. But the coin has too much detail for that.

  • scubafuelscubafuel Posts: 1,716 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The remnant of the 1 points to a strike thru as well I think. There are often design remnants under strike thrus.

  • Clackamas1Clackamas1 Posts: 701 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That is crazy. Double struck, off center, planchet flaws maybe a strike through.

  • vplite99vplite99 Posts: 1,172 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's dramatic, thanks for posting.

    Vplite99
  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,167 ✭✭✭✭✭

    An amazing error coin. Looks like a lamination but WDIK.......

  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 7,824 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A real smorgasbord error example I am in the delamination camp. Witness the far left vertical area. Has the jagged cracking,evidence of a delam. Must of been a large peel. At some point fallen off or removed. This is how I see it.

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  • pursuitoflibertypursuitofliberty Posts: 6,511 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nothing wrong with that coin ... at all! Thank you for sharing!

    Lovely example, for sure!! <3

    Fascinating too. I think I'm in the delamination camp ... the straight and clean edges in a couple of spots seem to suggest that more than a strike through.


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  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 7,896 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2, 2024 11:36PM

    It looks like the first strike was the one that is oriented upright in the first picture.
    After that, a second strike was imparted and it was oriented about 90 degrees clockwise from the first.

    Now here is the interesting part. When the second strike impacted, there was probably a piece of wood laying on the coin.
    The die pressure caused the piece of wood to make an irregular dent in the coin.

    Note that the first "LIBERTY" is visible, but it is missing in the second strike. Why ?
    The piece of wood (or whatever it was) intercepted much of the force of the second strike, preventing the die from making full contact with the coin on the second strike.

    This is evidence that the depression is a strike-through and not a delamination.

    .

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,442 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @dcarr said:
    It looks like the first strike was the one that is oriented upright in the first picture.
    After that, a second strike was imparted and it was oriented about 90 degrees clockwise from the first.

    Now here is the interesting part. When the second strike impacted, there was probably a piece of wood laying on the coin.
    The die pressure caused the piece of wood to make an irregular dent in the coin.

    Note that the first "LIBERTY" is visible, but it is missing in the second strike. Why ?
    The piece of wood (or whatever it was) intercepted much of the force of the second strike, preventing the die from making full contact with the coin on the second strike.

    This is evidence that the depression is a strike-through and not a delamination.

    .

    You saved me some typing.

    As proof of Dan’s theory, please verify that the strongest areas on the reverse are opposite the indent in the metal, where the foreign object pushed the metal under it into the opposing die.

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 31,442 ✭✭✭✭✭

    P.S.: I would call the rotation about 70 degrees.

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 32,039 ✭✭✭✭✭

    not readily obvious to the little people. great explanation

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  • semikeycollectorsemikeycollector Posts: 911 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I love this coin! It looks like the obverse is rotating in action,like the hand drawn frames of an old motion picture.

  • renomedphysrenomedphys Posts: 3,472 ✭✭✭✭✭



    Does this help? This is the exact slab orientation with the reverse flipped over from the side (ie. not top to bottom as is the usual way I view coins)

  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Double struck in collar, with second strike rotated. The second strike appears to have been through wood.

  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 7,896 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FlyingAl said:
    Double struck in collar, with second strike rotated. The second strike appears to have been through wood.

    I think these were struck without a collar.
    So perhaps the correct terminology would be: rotated double strike, with both strikes centered, and the second strike through debris.

  • jayPemjayPem Posts: 3,986 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Any chance that the bit of wood was struck intentionally?
    Perhaps a technique to tweak the position of the dies or something?

    Way out in left field here, but it crossed my mind, no such thing as a dumb question, right?
    🤪

  • jacrispiesjacrispies Posts: 670 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I will keep an open mind if it is a strikethrough. From my observations, there is still observable weakness in TED in UNITED, and the left stem from the first reverse strike under ED that should have disappeared with excessive force from the strikethrough. Not strong enough evidence to prove a strikethrough in my opinion.

    "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord" Romans 6:23. Young fellow suffering from Bust Half fever.

  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 4, 2024 8:36AM

    I’m not much for errors, but this one would have caused me to loose a few minutes in thought.

  • CatbertCatbert Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hannibal Lecter at work!

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  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @dcarr said:

    @FlyingAl said:
    Double struck in collar, with second strike rotated. The second strike appears to have been through wood.

    I think these were struck without a collar.
    So perhaps the correct terminology would be: rotated double strike, with both strikes centered, and the second strike through debris.

    You are right. I forgot these were struck without collars. I fully agree with that assessment.

  • renomedphysrenomedphys Posts: 3,472 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well here’s the big reveal. I doubt this will actually clear anything up.

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