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ifthevamzarockin
ifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,915 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited January 15, 2024 9:23AM in U.S. Coin Forum

This one should be impossible for anyone to get. :D:D:D

MS-66

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  • ifthevamzarockin
    ifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,915 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Be brave and take a stab at it, everyone else will be wrong too so you won't be alone. :D

  • privatecoin
    privatecoin Posts: 3,853 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Wow. That is definitely some awesome color. A minor rim ding on the obverse. What is up though with the reverse around united. Since it's a "guess" the grade, I'll jump on a limb and guess Unc details.

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  • MFeld
    MFeld Posts: 17,132 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Unc details, edge corrosion.

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  • ifthevamzarockin
    ifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,915 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Now we have the ball rolling! ;)

    Thanks @privatecoin & @MFeld for playing! :)

  • U1chicago
    U1chicago Posts: 6,993 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Well I could get it right but I'll keep it fun for the rest. :D
    (I saw the other thread)

  • ifthevamzarockin
    ifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,915 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @U1chicago Thanks! :)

  • ifthevamzarockin
    ifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,915 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    This should be more fun than a barrel of monkeys. :p

  • gumby1234
    gumby1234 Posts: 5,901 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Unc details Wheelmarked

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  • ifthevamzarockin
    ifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,915 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Manifest_Destiny You are the closest guess so far. :D

  • 1madman
    1madman Posts: 1,750 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I hope pcgs shrunk the font on the label to provide the thorough explanation of problems for you:

    Details: damaged, rim ding, questionable color, cleaned.

    What else did I miss?

  • MFeld
    MFeld Posts: 17,132 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @1madman said:
    I hope pcgs shrunk the font on the label to provide the thorough explanation of problems for you:

    Details: damaged, rim ding, questionable color, cleaned.

    What else did I miss?

    While I already posted my guess, I had considered guessing MS68. But I couldn’t get past the rim issues on each side. I suppose I should have, especially considering the challenge that it would be impossible to guess correctly.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • Joe_360
    Joe_360 Posts: 1,872 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I don't have much experience with Kennedy's. So I'll say MS67+

  • 1madman
    1madman Posts: 1,750 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @MFeld said:

    @1madman said:
    I hope pcgs shrunk the font on the label to provide the thorough explanation of problems for you:

    Details: damaged, rim ding, questionable color, cleaned.

    What else did I miss?

    While I already posted my guess, I had considered guessing MS68. But I couldn’t get past the rim issues on each side. I suppose I should have, especially considering the challenge that it would be impossible to guess correctly.

    That reverse has been scraped with a sander (or something along that line). Letters in “United” have metal shaved all the way to the flat part of the planchet. How could this even remotely have the chance of a straight grade?

  • braddick
    braddick Posts: 25,183 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I like it.
    MS66
    Reminds me of this coin:

  • MFeld
    MFeld Posts: 17,132 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @1madman said:

    @MFeld said:

    @1madman said:
    I hope pcgs shrunk the font on the label to provide the thorough explanation of problems for you:

    Details: damaged, rim ding, questionable color, cleaned.

    What else did I miss?

    While I already posted my guess, I had considered guessing MS68. But I couldn’t get past the rim issues on each side. I suppose I should have, especially considering the challenge that it would be impossible to guess correctly.

    That reverse has been scraped with a sander (or something along that line). Letters in “United” have metal shaved all the way to the flat part of the planchet. How could this even remotely have the chance of a straight grade?

    I can’t tell what the specific issue is with the reverse rim, but the coin appears to deserve a details-grade. Yet, if that had been the outcome, I doubt that this thread would exist.😉

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  • OAKSTAR
    OAKSTAR Posts: 8,770 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @MFeld said:
    Unc details, edge corrosion.

    Come on man! This isn't the Metal Detecting forum. It looks more like a parking lot find! 😂

    I'll guess straight graded and our host totally missed it! 😉 😖

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  • ifthevamzarockin
    ifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,915 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 14, 2024 5:08PM
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    @MFeld said:
    I can’t tell what the specific issue is with the reverse rim

    Would a close up help?

    Edited to add: I guess @OAKSTAR beat me to it. ;)

  • MFeld
    MFeld Posts: 17,132 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @ifthevamzarockin said:

    @MFeld said:
    I can’t tell what the specific issue is with the reverse rim

    Would a close up help?

    Maybe.

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  • MFeld
    MFeld Posts: 17,132 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @OAKSTAR said:

    @MFeld said:
    Unc details, edge corrosion.

    Come on man! This isn't the Metal Detecting forum. It looks more like a parking lot find! 😂

    I'll guess straight graded and our host totally missed it! 😉 😖

    I don’t see your grade guess.

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  • ifthevamzarockin
    ifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,915 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @MFeld said:
    Maybe.

    This one may be a little clearer than the one OAKSTAR posted. ;)

  • OAKSTAR
    OAKSTAR Posts: 8,770 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 14, 2024 5:29PM
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    Okay, I'll go 66 straight graded... What do I know.

    This thread is cookin' with grease now! 😉 🤣

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  • Morgan13
    Morgan13 Posts: 2,692 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    MS67 rim cud?

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  • MFeld
    MFeld Posts: 17,132 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 14, 2024 5:19PM
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    @ifthevamzarockin said:

    @MFeld said:
    Maybe.

    This one may be a little clearer than the one OAKSTAR posted. ;)

    …And the reverse of this gorgeously toned example is further enhanced by the presence of original log cabin-brown colored patina at the rim from 9:00 to 10:00.

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  • OAKSTAR
    OAKSTAR Posts: 8,770 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Don't want to Hijack your thread @ifthevamzarockin Just wanted to show you this one I got from the mint years ago!

    Not sure where yours came from. The screwdriver on this one must have slipped when they were putting it in the case! Yes, straight from the Mint this way! 😖 🤬

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  • marcmoish
    marcmoish Posts: 6,937 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I'll go Unc details, edge erosion.

  • pursuitofliberty
    pursuitofliberty Posts: 7,926 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Unc Details, Artificial Toning

    You did say GUESS :p


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  • morgandollar1878
    morgandollar1878 Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Genuine mint error MS66 "Stuck in planchet feeder".

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  • ifthevamzarockin
    ifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,915 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @morgandollar1878 said:
    Genuine mint error MS66 "Stuck in planchet feeder".

    So when PMD happens at the mint it's a mint error?

  • OAKSTAR
    OAKSTAR Posts: 8,770 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @morgandollar1878 said:
    Genuine mint error MS66 "Stuck in planchet feeder".

    Your says feeder finger damage "during" the minting process?

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  • HillbillyCollector
    HillbillyCollector Posts: 736 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Unc details- Edge…

  • morgandollar1878
    morgandollar1878 Posts: 4,006 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @ifthevamzarockin said:

    @morgandollar1878 said:
    Genuine mint error MS66 "Stuck in planchet feeder".

    So when PMD happens at the mint it's a mint error?

    @OAKSTAR said:

    @morgandollar1878 said:
    Genuine mint error MS66 "Stuck in planchet feeder".

    Your says feeder finger damage "during" the minting process?

    Yes! :D
    Really just making crap up. It sounded good for a couple minutes.

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  • Coinscratch
    Coinscratch Posts: 11,086 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Snowman :)

  • ifthevamzarockin
    ifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,915 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @morgandollar1878 said:
    Yes! :D
    Really just making crap up. It sounded good for a couple minutes.

    LOL :D
    But really thanks for bring up a genuine mint error. ;)

    Anyone care to give an opinion why it is or why it is not a mint error!

  • Coinscratch
    Coinscratch Posts: 11,086 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Patience is a virtue.

  • ifthevamzarockin
    ifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,915 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Anyone care to give an opinion why it is a mint error or why it is not a mint error!

  • 1madman
    1madman Posts: 1,750 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    It is not a tapered planchet because the “damage”/weakness is only on 1 side

  • Coinscratch
    Coinscratch Posts: 11,086 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The toning is on top of the scrape so it was the mint pack crimper in the bag room with Mrs. Smith?

  • OAKSTAR
    OAKSTAR Posts: 8,770 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @ifthevamzarockin said:
    Anyone care to give an opinion why it is a mint error or why it is not a mint error!

    >

    So someone (not me) must be able to tell if this happened during the minting process or after the minting process.

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • ifthevamzarockin
    ifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,915 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @OAKSTAR said:
    So someone (not me) must be able to tell if this happened during the minting process or after the minting process.

    I'll bet you can figure it out if you take a minute to think about it. ;)

  • OAKSTAR
    OAKSTAR Posts: 8,770 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I like @1madman explanation. Damage on only one side.

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  • ifthevamzarockin
    ifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,915 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @OAKSTAR said:
    I like @1madman explanation. Damage on only one side.

    Can you see anything else?

  • silviosi
    silviosi Posts: 458 ✭✭✭
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    Man made toning.
    No Fedeer Fingers here.
    The coin was Damage and alterated after the Minting.

    If the OP think it is Feeder Finger to show me the reeds where is located those scraches.

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  • ifthevamzarockin
    ifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,915 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @silviosi said:
    If the OP think it is Feeder Finger

    I never mentioned feeder fingers. :D

  • silviosi
    silviosi Posts: 458 ✭✭✭
    edited January 14, 2024 8:30PM
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    @ ifthevamzarockin
    I never mentioned feeder fingers. :disappointed:

    Not you bring this. You just mention thanks to brink an Mint Error. I do not have any intentions to blame or something else in this direction.

    I like this topic because open so many doors.

    I am very courious to see what PCGS will say and what No. give to this coin between 80 and 99

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  • OAKSTAR
    OAKSTAR Posts: 8,770 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @ifthevamzarockin said:

    @OAKSTAR said:
    I like @1madman explanation. Damage on only one side.

    Can you see anything else?

    No, I'm lost! But it's probably staring us in the face.

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  • ifthevamzarockin
    ifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,915 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @OAKSTAR said:
    No, I'm lost! But it's probably staring us in the face.

    If the planchet was damaged you would see the scratches below the letters, the scratches are on top of the letters. ;)
    That would indicate it was scratched after it was stuck.
    Also in the low part of the U on the inside you can see displaced metal or a slight burr.

  • OAKSTAR
    OAKSTAR Posts: 8,770 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Yep, that makes sense.

    Does this picture show the displaced metal?

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  • ifthevamzarockin
    ifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,915 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @OAKSTAR said:
    Does this picture show the displaced metal?

    Yes but this one shows it better. ;)

  • OAKSTAR
    OAKSTAR Posts: 8,770 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Oh, now I see it. So when you say displaced, you mean it took a hit?

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