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doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 22,148 ✭✭✭✭✭

The Chiefs vs Dolphins playoff game on Saturday will be aired on Peacock.

Fans Rightfully Crush NFL and NBC for Putting AFC Playoff Game Exclusively on Peacock

The NFL playoffs start this coming weekend and there’s one thing fans of all teams can agree on—it stinks that the NFL and NBC will be airing an AFC playoff game exclusively on Peacock.

That’s right, if you want to watch the Kansas City Chiefs play the Miami Dolphins, you’ll have to subscribe to Peacock to see the game.

The NFL has been getting into the streaming business the past few years, but this is the first time fans will have to pay extra to see a playoff game. And there’s a reason for that—money.

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  • doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 22,148 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yeah, I'm not paying Peacock one nickel for the playoff game, it looks like I'll be watching re-runs of Green Acres on Saturday.

  • DarinDarin Posts: 6,247 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I noticed that yesterday.
    Looks like I won’t be watching my Chiefs again unless they beat the Dolphins and advance.

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  • craig44craig44 Posts: 10,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think that is garbage. I wonder what would happen if the NFL fans who are current Peacock subscribers all cancelled before Saturday?

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  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 7,911 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Darin said:
    I noticed that yesterday.
    Looks like I won’t be watching my Chiefs again unless they beat the Dolphins and advance.

    Google Buffstreams and watch it online.

  • GroceryRackPackGroceryRackPack Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭✭✭

    In a way...that's kind of a Good Thing for me...

    I don't think that I could handle the pressure...

    hang on a sec, I's Gotta Get My Hy-Vee...

  • MaywoodMaywood Posts: 1,840 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You guys must be cheap or easily get stuck on principal. :p

    I use the FireStick w/Amazon Prime and have subscription to Paramount+ that costs me less than $25 a month and includes other Amazon benefits including free shipping. Before Christmas when I noticed the NFL Playoff schedule I subscribed to Peacock for a little under $11/month which I'll cancel after the AFC/NFC Championship games. Since I don't currently get NBC and that's Peacock I get to watch about 5-6 playoff games and I've already watched 3-4 NBC games plus the first 5-seasons of "YellowStone" plus a bunch of other stuff.

    All that for about $20, so get worked up about it but I'm gonna watch football!! Think about it, you won't drop $20 to watch that stuff but you'll plop down more than $200 to go to a game. That's lunacy.

  • pdoidoipdoidoi Posts: 439 ✭✭✭

    I'll catch the score when you guys post it here during and after the game.

  • galaxy27galaxy27 Posts: 7,063 ✭✭✭✭✭

    watching the Chiefs & Dolphins in 0 degree weather is worth ponying up for peacock

    just pretend you were at the game and bought a beer

  • doubledragondoubledragon Posts: 22,148 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm not cheap, that a preposterous suggestion!

  • MaywoodMaywood Posts: 1,840 ✭✭✭✭✭

    One thing I would never do is pay to attend a game. I think the last game I attended was around 1980, but in the current environment with all the cameras/stats/charts/analysis and replays I can't see how it would be fun to watch a game played 200 feet away with a bunch of screaming drunks around me!! Another silly thing: I know people who have paid $25 a car to go to a stadium lot to tailgate, complete with a generator, 60" TV and all the food/beverages that'll fit in the back of a truck!!

    I have all that at home, but to each his own. When I was younger I did crazy shit like that, but not anymore.

  • craig44craig44 Posts: 10,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Maywood said:
    You guys must be cheap or easily get stuck on principal. :p

    I use the FireStick w/Amazon Prime and have subscription to Paramount+ that costs me less than $25 a month and includes other Amazon benefits including free shipping. Before Christmas when I noticed the NFL Playoff schedule I subscribed to Peacock for a little under $11/month which I'll cancel after the AFC/NFC Championship games. Since I don't currently get NBC and that's Peacock I get to watch about 5-6 playoff games and I've already watched 3-4 NBC games plus the first 5-seasons of "YellowStone" plus a bunch of other stuff.

    All that for about $20, so get worked up about it but I'm gonna watch football!! Think about it, you won't drop $20 to watch that stuff but you'll plop down more than $200 to go to a game. That's lunacy.

    with all the streaming, it is death by a thousand cuts. at my house we have youtube tv, netflix, hulu/disney+, discovery+ and maybe another one or two that i cant remember. Im not spending 1 more dollar on streaming platforms. I also have not attended a live sporting event since 2007. and yes, I am pretty cheap. tighter than bark on a tree!!

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  • craig44craig44 Posts: 10,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @erikthredd said:

    @Darin said:
    I noticed that yesterday.
    Looks like I won’t be watching my Chiefs again unless they beat the Dolphins and advance.

    Google Buffstreams and watch it online.

    what are Buffstreams?

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  • 2dueces2dueces Posts: 6,230 ✭✭✭✭✭

    We got Peacock for $1.57 a month. I guess it’s $5 a month now. That’s less than a Starbucks. What I really laugh at is the gamblers on the score app whining about $5 a month yet betting and not knowing they’re a$$ from a hole in the ground. Betting hundreds but $5 is too much. Too funny. Pay the $5 and STFU

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  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 7,911 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @craig44 said:

    @erikthredd said:

    @Darin said:
    I noticed that yesterday.
    Looks like I won’t be watching my Chiefs again unless they beat the Dolphins and advance.

    Google Buffstreams and watch it online.

    what are Buffstreams?

    Its a website where you can watch any of the four major sports plus others for free. I've been using it for yers as my go-to for Celtics & Pats games.

  • MaywoodMaywood Posts: 1,840 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @craig44, Peacock offers a discount for students.

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,223 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Eh I don't care how much peacock is, we get it but regardless it's as much BS as the Thursday night game being in Prime ( We get that too )

    NFL charging for TV viewers is complete BS, they are gouging fans and I couldn't care less if it is a $1 a month for any server, it's BS

  • grote15grote15 Posts: 29,439 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @erikthredd said:

    @craig44 said:

    @erikthredd said:

    @Darin said:
    I noticed that yesterday.
    Looks like I won’t be watching my Chiefs again unless they beat the Dolphins and advance.

    Google Buffstreams and watch it online.

    what are Buffstreams?

    Its a website where you can watch any of the four major sports plus others for free. I've been using it for yers as my go-to for Celtics & Pats games.

    Best to use a VPN with that as your connection and data are potentially at risk. It's not a very secure connection.



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  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 7,911 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @grote15 said:

    @erikthredd said:

    @craig44 said:

    @erikthredd said:

    @Darin said:
    I noticed that yesterday.
    Looks like I won’t be watching my Chiefs again unless they beat the Dolphins and advance.

    Google Buffstreams and watch it online.

    what are Buffstreams?

    Its a website where you can watch any of the four major sports plus others for free. I've been using it for yers as my go-to for Celtics & Pats games.

    Best to use a VPN with that as your connection and data are potentially at risk. It's not a very secure connection.

    I've been using that site for so long that if they were actually after that info then they'd probably have by now but thanks for the suggestion, I look into finding one.

  • craig44craig44 Posts: 10,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @erikthredd said:

    @craig44 said:

    @erikthredd said:

    @Darin said:
    I noticed that yesterday.
    Looks like I won’t be watching my Chiefs again unless they beat the Dolphins and advance.

    Google Buffstreams and watch it online.

    what are Buffstreams?

    Its a website where you can watch any of the four major sports plus others for free. I've been using it for yers as my go-to for Celtics & Pats games.

    is it legal?

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  • craig44craig44 Posts: 10,268 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Maywood said:
    @craig44, Peacock offers a discount for students.

    ?

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  • erikthredderikthredd Posts: 7,911 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @craig44 said:

    @erikthredd said:

    @craig44 said:

    @erikthredd said:

    @Darin said:
    I noticed that yesterday.
    Looks like I won’t be watching my Chiefs again unless they beat the Dolphins and advance.

    Google Buffstreams and watch it online.

    what are Buffstreams?

    Its a website where you can watch any of the four major sports plus others for free. I've been using it for yers as my go-to for Celtics & Pats games.

    is it legal?

    Not sure,probably not but its not like Swat's gonna come raid your house over a game or two. If someone is worried about all that then just don't use it. It was only an alternative suggestion.

  • tommyrusty7tommyrusty7 Posts: 1,709 ✭✭✭✭

    @doubledragon said:
    The Chiefs vs Dolphins playoff game on Saturday will be aired on Peacock.

    Fans Rightfully Crush NFL and NBC for Putting AFC Playoff Game Exclusively on Peacock

    The NFL playoffs start this coming weekend and there’s one thing fans of all teams can agree on—it stinks that the NFL and NBC will be airing an AFC playoff game exclusively on Peacock.

    That’s right, if you want to watch the Kansas City Chiefs play the Miami Dolphins, you’ll have to subscribe to Peacock to see the game.

    The NFL has been getting into the streaming business the past few years, but this is the first time fans will have to pay extra to see a playoff game. And there’s a reason for that—money.

    Thats exactly how I feel when my Red Sox are kicked off the air due to Peacock. It SUCKS !

  • GroceryRackPackGroceryRackPack Posts: 2,353 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Why don't we just organize a group outing over at the Peacock studios for game time ???

    with that night time start up; that would allow me plenty of Grillin' Time right before kick off...

    I would like to Grill....something in the line of: filet of Dolphin - basted & creamed with Kansas City barbecue sauce... :)

  • countdouglascountdouglas Posts: 2,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Darin said:
    I noticed that yesterday.
    Looks like I won’t be watching my Chiefs again unless they beat the Dolphins and advance.

    I don't know if you receive Kansas City channels where you live, but it will be shown for free in the local markets on their regular NBC station. In KC, that's KSHB 41.

  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭✭

    Peacock could be 5 cents and I still wouldnt get it. The problem isnt really the cost, its that if its successful more and more games will be put behind these paywalls just like how basically every TV channel has some sort of streaming subscription option now. It started off with extra content and has just moved more and more to normal content which is the same thing that is happening with sports

  • stevekstevek Posts: 27,472 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sorry to bring this up, but I'd be very wary of downloading unfamiliar aps, or sometimes even popular aps from basically not well known sources.

    I'll tell ya why. Sometimes, and it's happened numerous times before, an ap could be perfectly legit for a while, sometimes for years. So the ap gets a good reputation for being legit and has a popular following. However at some point if the ap is owned by a bad actor, such as a suspect foreign source or whatever, they come in for the kill. Then next thing ya know your computer is loaded with viruses and other bad things happening.

    If ya absolutely have to have this ap and others like it, I would use a separate computer, one that doesn't mean much to you with no stored pics, passwords, banking info, emails, etc. So that if a tough virus hits, you can simply do a full system restore, the computer is returned to it's original pristine operating software condition, and the virus and other bad guys are removed. Of course the problem is all your files, stored data, etc, is removed as well.

    So again, just use a separate computer for all your necessary and important needs. Use the Peacock ap on the other computer that has virtually nothing stored on it to infect or for a hacker to grab. Use this other computer also for your video games, online poker, and other potential hazards so if it gets compromised, there's basically no problem. A quick system restore and it's good as new.

  • MCMLVToppsMCMLVTopps Posts: 4,566 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well, as creepy as this will sound, my wife and I were watching a program some months ago, when out of the blue we heard a voice!! We don't recall what it said, it was brief, but holy $hit, the tv was talking!!! We looked at each other in disbelief wondering if we were crazy. Hasn't happened since, but it was CREEPY!! I have an LG 65" 4k tv, I guess we got the talking version. Anybody ever experience this??

    I think these clowns that control what games are shown where deserve a special place in hell. I don't have, nor will I ever have Peacock. Their marketing stooge that thinks rabid fans will cling to their remotes and eagerly jump to enroll in Peacock are sadly mistaken. No fools we, this is a money gouge, nothing more and nothing less. I do admit to having Acorn tv and sometimes Britbox, I guess we enjoy Brit mysteries and who dunnits. Some of it is very entertaining. I don't hesitate to cancel the channels if it comes to boredom. I also have Netflix, I think you could watch Netflix forever. I'm on the fence with this one, a bit too much killing for me, I want to be entertained, not bummed out or force my brain into flash back crap.

    I have also canceled my auto renewal of the MLB package this year. I'll catch whatever is on the MLB channel if I care to watch a game or two. My interest in the Red Sox has gone waaaaaaaaaaaay down hill, the renewing of Alex (I'm a cheater" Cora) kinda did it for me.

  • MaywoodMaywood Posts: 1,840 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MCMLVTopps said: I think these clowns that control what games are shown where deserve a special place in hell.

    Those clowns sit in the NFL offices in New York, this was all done or agreed to when the TV contracts were made. I mean, it isn't like Peacock/NBC can just decide to do this. Blame the NFL. Don't you guys like to call it the No Fun League??

    As a side note, it's interesting that many people complain about all the commercials during games. Well, the December 23rd Bills vs. Chargers game was Peacock only and aired with no commercials. The upcoming Peacock only broadcast will be commercial free for the 4th quarter.

  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 7,826 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No pay TV for us.

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  • MaywoodMaywood Posts: 1,840 ✭✭✭✭✭

    We all pay in some fashion, you must have satellite or cable, right?? I mean, really, who watches local stations only without some type of subscription to somewhere??

  • stevekstevek Posts: 27,472 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 10, 2024 9:14AM

    An old adage in marketing is never underestimate what the American public will pay for convenience.

    Probably most NFL fans don't give a chit about how the game is broadcast or the cost of the NFL game. They just want to view it with as little effort as possible. The NFL of course knows this, and whenever they can, will take advantage of this attitude of the general public.

    Frankly overall, I think this Peacock thing is a bad strategy for them. But they've overcome strikes, woke, and all sorts of other BS over the years, and they're still making tons of money. So they're gonna milk the cash cow, the NFL loving public, for as much as they can until proven otherwise.

  • galaxy27galaxy27 Posts: 7,063 ✭✭✭✭✭

    fascinating discussion. for those who are remaining steadfast based on principle, i admire that. for me though, i just want to squeeze as much enjoyment out of life's orange as i possibly can while i'm here. unfortunately, more times than not there's an unsavory price tag attached to ANYTHING in the year 2024. hell, when i simply go to the grocery store nowadays i can't tell you how many times i say to myself, "i am NOT paying THAT for THAT," and the next thing you know i'm wearing out the scanner in self-checkout. like digital underground sang................doowutchyalike

    besides, do you really think i'm going to pass up Marquez Valdes-Scantling and Kadarius Toney attempting to catch footballs with frostbite hands? i wonder if there's a way for me to pay peacock double for this glorious opportunity

  • galaxy27galaxy27 Posts: 7,063 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 10, 2024 10:05AM

    btw i just checked the forecast for KC on Sunday..............50% chance of snow with a high temp of 0. will no doubt duck into minus land during the game.

    that then led me to wonder what ticket prices are looking like on broker sites. 63 bucks is virtually unheard of for a playoff game. of course there will be exorbitant fees suckerfished to that figure, but still...........prices plummeting with the temps.

    now compare to the cheapest tix for the Dallas-Green Bay game. 86........and it doesn't buy you a seat

    if you want something to actually touch your buttocks during the game, here's the smallest amount you'll have to pony up (over 200$ after fees)

  • MaywoodMaywood Posts: 1,840 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Pardon me for saying so, but from those seats I don't see how a true fan enjoys the game. That, to me, is a price paid to "be there" and be a part of it. The games are much more enjoyable for me to watch in the comfort of my home.

    All that said, those are very, very low prices for any game anywhere.

  • stevekstevek Posts: 27,472 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yea, I think at some point ya have to consider say if your car breaks down or ya get stuck somehow, with cold such as that and all the other emergencies on the road for assistance to handle, you may be in a bit of trouble, and I mean life ending trouble. All that for a bad seat at a football game? Doesn't seem even close to being worth it to me.

  • Alfonz24Alfonz24 Posts: 3,000 ✭✭✭✭✭

    good news, I would have to see Swift breakaways during the tv coverage.

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  • galaxy27galaxy27 Posts: 7,063 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 12, 2024 7:18PM

    down to 40 bucks

    they might be free by kickoff

  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭✭

    Panthers Falcons got down to 45 cents. A playoff game getting even close to that is just funny

  • galaxy27galaxy27 Posts: 7,063 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Basebal21 said:

    Panthers Falcons got down to 45 cents.

    are you being serious? lol

  • stevekstevek Posts: 27,472 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @galaxy27 said:
    down to 40 bucks

    they might be free by kickoff

    Illustrates the hazards of trying to flip tickets. It's actually a very interesting endeavor, I've looked into it. Can be very lucrative if ya get a good feel for an event and obtain the tickets at the right price. Or with bad luck you could crap out and lose everything ya put in.

    This seller certainly incurred some bad luck, in this case terribly inclement weather. At this point he may be hoping to unload the tickets for about the price of a happy meal.

  • stevekstevek Posts: 27,472 ✭✭✭✭✭

    8:15 PM
    Dolphins
    Chiefs

    More "brilliant" scheduling by the NFL.

    Make it a game after the sun goes down. 🙄

  • Basebal21Basebal21 Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭✭

    @galaxy27 said:

    @Basebal21 said:

    Panthers Falcons got down to 45 cents.

    are you being serious? lol

    Haha yea it got down that low.

    https://www.sbnation.com/2023/12/14/24001882/carolina-panthers-tickets-45-cents

  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,223 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @stevek said:
    Yea, I think at some point ya have to consider say if your car breaks down or ya get stuck somehow, with cold such as that and all the other emergencies on the road for assistance to handle, you may be in a bit of trouble, and I mean life ending trouble. All that for a bad seat at a football game? Doesn't seem even close to being worth it to me.

    To your point I will throw this out there that it is absolutely a good idea to pack heavy clothing in a bag and stow it in your vehicle.

    I keep a bag in my trunk all winter, gloves, hat, sweatshirt and jacket along with waterproof boots. And for good measure a few of those silver emergency blankets

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,383 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I hope the executives at Peacock who came up with this idea lose a bundle of money. Regular advertising revenue isn’t good enough for them. If we give them financial support for this, it will only get worse.

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  • MaywoodMaywood Posts: 1,840 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I hope the executives at Peacock who came up with this idea lose a bundle of money. Regular advertising revenue isn’t good enough for them. If we give them financial support for this, it will only get worse

    Wow, what a combination of Negative Nanny and Debbie Downer!! I know change can be a frightening thing sometimes, but it is inevitable as the sunrise, it is gonna happen. What you're seeing is the future, Bill. If you close your eyes or stick your head under the blankies it's still gonna happen.

    Also, I would point out that your angst is pointed at the wrong villain, it should be aimed at the NFL for agreeing to the Peacock proposal. Fear not, I will be watching the game and I'll provide updates if you need one.

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,383 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 13, 2024 5:24AM

    @Maywood said:
    I hope the executives at Peacock who came up with this idea lose a bundle of money. Regular advertising revenue isn’t good enough for them. If we give them financial support for this, it will only get worse

    Wow, what a combination of Negative Nanny and Debbie Downer!! I know change can be a frightening thing sometimes, but it is inevitable as the sunrise, it is gonna happen. What you're seeing is the future, Bill. If you close your eyes or stick your head under the blankies it's still gonna happen.

    Also, I would point out that your angst is pointed at the wrong villain, it should be aimed at the NFL for agreeing to the Peacock proposal. Fear not, I will be watching the game and I'll provide updates if you need one.

    Good! I am glad that you want to pay more to see NFL games. We now have paid TV times two with cable and these NFL money grabs.

    Tell me. What technical advances are evident from this Peacock broadcast? You call me a dinosaur for criticizing it. What advantage does the consumer get?

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  • perkdogperkdog Posts: 29,223 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Maywood said:
    I hope the executives at Peacock who came up with this idea lose a bundle of money. Regular advertising revenue isn’t good enough for them. If we give them financial support for this, it will only get worse

    Wow, what a combination of Negative Nanny and Debbie Downer!! I know change can be a frightening thing sometimes, but it is inevitable as the sunrise, it is gonna happen. What you're seeing is the future, Bill. If you close your eyes or stick your head under the blankies it's still gonna happen.

    Also, I would point out that your angst is pointed at the wrong villain, it should be aimed at the NFL for agreeing to the Peacock proposal. Fear not, I will be watching the game and I'll provide updates if you need one.

    LOL Change can be a frightening thing when it's trying to fix something that isn't broken.

  • MaywoodMaywood Posts: 1,840 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BillJones said: You call me a dinosaur for criticizing it. What advantage does the consumer get?

    Well, the first Peacock only broadcast had a 4th quarter that was commercial free and this game will have the same thing. If that continues it will eventually mean commercial free games.

    Let's be honest here, we all pay for the games in some fashion unless you truly are a dinosaur and have an antenna on your roof. In that case, you see one game a week, so let's dispense with all the posturing and pretense, Currently we are being "double dipped" because we pay for a cable/satellite service or some streaming package and then pay again via all the commercials, the advertising is added into prices a consumer pays.

    Stop thinking this is some gimmick to get into your pocket, there's already a hand in there, you've gotten accustomed to it over the years and now, like all of us, you can't even feel it.

  • BrickBrick Posts: 4,913 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Coming soon. Super Bowl only on PPV.

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  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 7,826 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Movie theaters recently had the college championship game being shown for an admission fee, if you wanted to see the game on a theater screen.

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