Buffalo traded out of the 1st round and the salary a first rounder gets and the fifth year options. They also picked up a 3rd round and still have 10 picks. I trust Beane but the Bills mafia ( most don’t know one end of a football from another) are crying. Fire Beane and McDermitt. They forgot 2017 when they stocked up on draft and traded up for Allen. Honestly I believe 90% of the mafia didn’t know football existed until 2020. SMH.
W.C.Fields "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
What surprises me the most is 150,000 people went to Detroit, yes Detroit to stand outside while someone called names of college players. Die hard is one thing but Detroit? I’m surprised they didn’t pass 3 crack dealers, 100 hookers and a 6 car jackings to get there.
I’d rather be by the side of a lake in a cabin and read about it like I did this morning.
Fan loyalty and NFL mania is one thing but really. Best part is they booed the guy calling names every time. Crazy or am I just the “get off my lawn guy now?”
W.C.Fields "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
@2dueces said:
What surprises me the most is 150,000 people went to Detroit, yes Detroit to stand outside while someone called names of college players. Die hard is one thing but Detroit? I’m surprised they didn’t pass 3 crack dealers, 100 hookers and a 6 car jackings to get there.
I’d rather be by the side of a lake in a cabin and read about it like I did this morning.
Fan loyalty and NFL mania is one thing but really. Best part is they booed the guy calling names every time. Crazy or am I just the “get off my lawn guy now?”
On the Pat McAfee show last night they said the number of attendees was about 275K people. If someone wants to go an hangout there, whatever, to each his own.
other than the SB the draft is the NFL's next big event and they're going to milk it for what its worth. Even the individual teams had their own festivities. I saw a report that the Rams set up this huge football field on the beach and had players there and were giving away free stuff.
PS: if Buffalo wants to find their next big WR, Adonai Mitchell is that guy. Their never going to be able to stop Patrick Mahomes' Chiefs so the best plan would be to just try beating them in a shootout.
@perkdog said:
Atlanta should have had someone step.in and put the stop to them drafting Penix. It's so utterly stupid that they wasted that pick
Odunze or Bowers would have been the correct pick.
The best part about how stupid that pick was, they didnt even tell Cousins until they were on the clock
Unless the owner said to do it I'm surprised the GM wasnt fired on the spot.
All people involved should be fired,
Fine Cousins is 35 and getting old, but why pay him all that money and then take a QB when you really have offensive pieces in place to be competitive now, this team isn't being rebuilt
They could have grabbed Bowers for potentially the best TE combo in the league or add Odunze to the arsenal,
If you think your O is set up enough then add a defensive piece.
@craig44 said:
6 qb in the first round. I wonder how many will make it? I remember so many were pumped back in 21 and we all know how that turned out. drafting QB's is such a crap shoot.
6 was to many.
The Penix pick was just a joke its so laughably bad, you would have thought the Saints were allowed to make the pick for them. He wont even get a chance to play for 2 years when hell be like 27 unless Cousins gets hurt
Caleb and McCarthy have no excuse if they struggle with the pass catching weapons they have.
Maye is in a really bad spot, but we have to see what the Pats do the rest of the draft.
Nix has some weapons, he probably wont be a superstar but should be good there.
Washington could be a sleeper team. They have 6 of the top 100 picks and if they use them wisely could put Daniels in a good spot.
@perkdog said:
Atlanta should have had someone step.in and put the stop to them drafting Penix. It's so utterly stupid that they wasted that pick
Odunze or Bowers would have been the correct pick.
The best part about how stupid that pick was, they didnt even tell Cousins until they were on the clock
Unless the owner said to do it I'm surprised the GM wasnt fired on the spot.
All people involved should be fired,
Fine Cousins is 35 and getting old, but why pay him all that money and then take a QB when you really have offensive pieces in place to be competitive now, this team isn't being rebuilt
They could have grabbed Bowers for potentially the best TE combo in the league or add Odunze to the arsenal,
If you think your O is set up enough then add a defensive piece.
For real. Unless the owner just has dementia and forced the pick which videos dont seem to indicate that was one of the stupidest picks of all time.
Even if they really wanted Penix no one had him tagged as a top 10 pick. They could have just traded back at the very least to the end of the first round. That pick made absolutely no sense. Even drafting a punter would have been more productive
Some day 2 picks that I really liked:
IMO, Washington cleaned up with adding three guys I wanted to see NE draft. TE Ben Sinnott is a George Kittles clone. OT Brandon Coleman can play LT and both guard spots and WR Luke McCaffrey is going to be a stud at some point. They even came away with a CB from Michigan, Mike Sainristil, who is a local kid out of MA.
Philly crushed it with two great CBs in Quinyon Mitchell & Cooper DeJean.
The Rams added some defensive firepower in DE Jared Verse, DT Braden Fiske & S Kam Kitchens.
LAC came away with the best Tackle in Joe Alt and really good WR in McConkey.
KC ended up with a speedster in Xavier Worthy and a tackle that could have gone in R1 in Kingsley Saumataia.
The Bears owned R1 landing Williams & Odunze and they came away with one of the Tackles I wanted for NE in Kiran Amegadjie.
The Cards filled a ton of holes on offense then also came away with two starting caliber CBs in Max Melton & Elijah Jones.
I liked NE's picks of WR Ja'Lynn Polk and Tackle Caedan Wallace. Pats fans are losing their minds right now because Wallace has solely been a right tackle but the team has already said they expect him to be able to play the left side.
Im not sold on McCaffery other than his last name. He was playing at Rice for a reason after leaving Nebraska. He probably would have gone undrafted if that wasnt his last name.
Alt has a ton of talent for sure but a weird pick for the Chargers. They now have two highly talented left tackles and Alt will likely be the one that has to move to RT which isnt that easy,
In 1992 when the Packers announced they had traded their first round pick for an injury-prone bad-character QB from the south it was pretty unpopular.
In 2005 it wasn’t widely known that the 49ers and Smith knew it was a done deal. Rodgers knew too. But when the pack selected him 24th we were confused. And skeptical.
Again in 2020 it was a bit of a shock. Maybe to some more so that the packers had finally selected an offensive player in the 1st round. Very rare for the pack. But for most, surprise that it was another QB. Granted Rodgers was already losing his mind but who cares. He’s a baller.
I think that the distance between what we know and what we think we know is impressively vast.
I’m looking forward to Penix Jr. absolutely shredding defenses for the next 15 years on those 2 rebuilt knees. So thanks for that!
@Basebal21 said:
Im not sold on McCaffery other than his last name. He was playing at Rice for a reason after leaving Nebraska. He probably would have gone undrafted if that wasnt his last name.
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He switched from playing QB to WR just two seasons ago and the athleticism is there. I read somewhere that he was tied for the most contested receptions in all of college football last season and given more time to develop at that position I think he'll be better than both Ricky Pearsall & Ladd McConkey who are very similar players who went much higher in this draft.
That family has given the NFL two really good players in his father Ed and brother Christian and I'd absolutely take a chance on Luke in that situation. For all of the talk about Marvin Harrison Jr, Brenden RIce, Kris Jenkins & Joe Alt having that NFl bloodline that has been preparing them for the NFL since a young age, McCaffrey has been in that same situation.
For that same reasoning is why I'm so hopeful on Drake Maye, that family has been pumping out great athletes in multiple different sports.
i can't help but think that the team that won the Super Bowl last season is going to be more formidable this coming season. if Mahomes can beat everyone without weapons, what's he going to do with them? and then stealing a stud tackle in the 2nd round to protect him? is everyone playing for 2nd place already?
seems like running backs are being phased out, but i loved the Cards nabbing Trey Benson in the 3rd. 215-220, sub-4.4, the RB1 on every rankings list i saw, a future 3-down back once Conner's days come to an end
then we have the Raiders. sitting there at 13 ready to pounce on a QB, then when it came time to pull the trigger they were all gone. i don't care who you are, that's funny. now they're entering the season in the same division as the SB champs with a depth chart that consists of Aidan O'Connell, Gardner Minshew and Anthony Brown
i want to slap people like Colin Cowherd who are defending the Penix pick. quick, when's the last time you said to yourself, man Atlanta's D is legit. here I'll answer for you -- never. last season they ranked near the bottom of the league in sacks. so with the most disruptive edge rusher sitting there on a silver platter (Dallas Turner), they decided to stockpile quarterbacks. i hope every team they play hangs 30+ on them next season.
then when the middle of the 1st rolled around and Turner was still available, you could practically hear the Minny war room collectively say, WTF? they shrewdly moved up a few spots, snagged him, and now they'll reap the benefits for years to come........thanks in large part to the idiot Falcons. i think joe b is really going to love that pick.
and the Eagles made a couple of great selections to fortify their D -- Mitchell and DeJean. i still remember (painfully) watching Philly games last season wondering if they had anyone on defense who could make a play. they just scooped up 2 guys who can.
@Basebal21 said:
Im not sold on McCaffery other than his last name. He was playing at Rice for a reason after leaving Nebraska. He probably would have gone undrafted if that wasnt his last name.
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He switched from playing QB to WR just two seasons ago and the athleticism is there. I read somewhere that he was tied for the most contested receptions in all of college football last season and given more time to develop at that position I think he'll be better than both Ricky Pearsall & Ladd McConkey who are very similar players who went much higher in this draft.
That family has given the NFL two really good players in his father Ed and brother Christian and I'd absolutely take a chance on Luke in that situation. For all of the talk about Marvin Harrison Jr, Brenden RIce, Kris Jenkins & Joe Alt having that NFl bloodline that has been preparing them for the NFL since a young age, McCaffrey has been in that same situation.
For that same reasoning is why I'm so hopeful on Drake Maye, that family has been pumping out great athletes in multiple different sports.
He wasnt going to be starting any more and transferred to a school that is is bad football program. He was the QB there one year and then switched to WR. The competition he was facing was not good.
Hes not better than McConkey or Pearson, none of the power schools really wanted him. Rice is a baseball school
I'm not rooting against him by any means but his last name and his brother is what got him dratted that high
Maye was a power school guy that if they give him the help can succeed. UNC for football was on the map because of what Maye could do. Maye got a ton of offers he could have taken to transfer but stayed
When teams choose a player in the draft its less about where that player played and more about what can that player do for us in our system in the near future. Sure, having game film of that player against similar competition is a barometer to gauge how he may perform against likewise competition at the next level but many times its far from being the deciding factor.
IIRC Julian Edelman never played a single snap at WR in college and Belichick still drafted drafted him knowing he wasn't going to play QB. Devin McCourty was strictly a CB in college and may have just finished at HOF career at safety. We just spent weeks hearing that Cooper DeJean will likely become a full time safety in the very near future. Eliot Wolf literally just drafted an offensive lineman last night that started every single college game at Right Tackle and he projects him to be their left tackle at some point. McCaffrey is no different in that regards, he was drafted on potential and not where he played in college. There's literally dozens of offensive lineman in every draft that make a position switch along the line once they get into the NFL. Again, its all about how does that guy fit in our system.
As for the getting drafted because of his last name, it really is so much more than that. When you have players that have fathers that were former pro athletes it usually means that guy was preparing his kid to be a pro athlete long before many of that players contempories. Those types of players learn how to prepare and take care of their bodies starting at a young age.
Its similar to hearing that Player X is a coaches son, usually that means that guy is mentally ahead of the game whereas with this other situation it usually means that player is physically ahead of the game. If a player had a former pro athlete for a father, who also coached them, then that's usually two checkmarks in that players favor.
Patrick Mahomes father was a MLB pitcher and you don't think that Pat didn't benefit from that in his evolution to becoming the best passer in today's NFL? He absolutely did.
Pearsall & McConkey are both smart tacticians in the Wes Welker mode where they're more high FB-IQ than great athletes. Both players would have been drafted much higher had that not been the case. McCaffrey is in that same mold but with his pedigree there's a great chance that he maybe end up the better athlete of the three.
I'm going to end this debate here before it turns into a prolonged back & forth. There's a real possibility that Luke flames out by year 2 or he could have a long successful NFL career, time will ultimately tell.
I just want to thank you guys for the high quality analysis of the draft. 👍
It’s a lot more interesting reading here about different team’s needs and who they picked than watching the draft on tv.
Eric and galaxy and all of you,
Thanks! 🍺
@bgr said:
The Vikings have a long and storied history of developing quarterbacks.
Great, another smart a$$ post that contributes NOTHING to the discussion.
If you just want to bash the Vikings, you are correct, they have had only 1 truly great QB, Fran Tarkenton. How about the Lions and Bears, to name a couple of teams in the same division? No better, especially the Bears.
The Vikings were always a great defensive team with emphasis on the defensive line.
Please remind us all that the Vikings have never won a Super Bowl, that will be another great comment.
What team do you follow, so I can have the opportunity to make childish remarks about them?
I offered a reflection on the Vikings inability to develop quarterbacks. I think it’s a silly move… or wishful thinking on their part.
That being said I must admit I forgot about Culpepper who was drafted and developed. Unfortunately that knee injury kind of changed his trajectory.
Not sure what all the drama here is about.
You can make “childish remarks” about the Packers if you want. That’s my home team. I am aware that it’s just a football team though. I’m not from
Philly.
What’s your favorite game day bar?
Good luck.
Different coaches and systems. Not really getting high drafted qb's. Now they have a great coach, great system, and their commitment within the management team to being better and better is probably going to pay off. McCarthy has as much potential as any of the top 6 if not more. It is now up to the coaches to get the most out of him in Vike territory.
I won't say anything about the Pack except that they don't have a qb that will make them an elite team. Detroit, Chicago, and Vikes all greatly improved in this draft, 2 by getting potentially elite qb's, one by adding strength to a team with was a few pt's short of going to the SB. In 3-4 years will we be seeing Packers on top of the division? It does not look good at this point...............
@DrBuster said:
Yeah I dunno what Atlanta was/is thinking. I don't think I've heard anyone around here think that's a good pick unless it's pure trade bait.
Cousins was fairly upset about this as it played out in the press. He rightly assumed that he was the qb of the franchise for 3-4 years when they signed him to that large contract. Atlanta coulda and shoulda waited at least a year to draft a qb high, I don't see this as a smart move. And Penix? Injured alot, so if he is put in, how long until he is injured? Seems like a very poor move indeed unless they want to move Penix, but how would they ever get value out of this? Who would give up a high pick to break even on this? Agree that Falcons have some decision making shortcomings.
Everyone seems so sure that the Penix Jr pick was bad…
Is it really because of the injuries? I could see why a team might like that kid. In 10 years it will be nice to look back at the 2024 draft class and see where they rank.
then when the middle of the 1st rolled around and Turner was still available, you could practically hear the Minny war room collectively say, WTF? they shrewdly moved up a few spots, snagged him, and now they'll reap the benefits for years to come........thanks in large part to the idiot Falcons. i think joe b is really going to love that pick.
YES!
I was actually hoping for Byron Murphy, but this guy might be a better fit for Flores' blitzing defense.
Mostly, I was praying they weren't going to give up 3 #1's to move up and pick a QB who could end up being a bust, crippling the team's draft for the next two years. I'm sure glad we got rid of Rick "the draft genius" Spielman, who liked to move down and pick up multiple 7th rounders who never even made the team. I HATED that.
It looks like I might also need to start worrying about the Bears (who we can't seem to beat) becoming a big factor in the division.
The NFC Central might be getting back to being the "Black and Blue" division!
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Carolina is giving Bryce Young some really good playmakers in this draft. First, Xavier Legette at WR, then Jonathon Brooks in the backfield and now Ja'Tavion Sanders at TE.
@erikthredd said:
When teams choose a player in the draft its less about where that player played and more about what can that player do for us in our system in the near future. Sure, having game film of that player against similar competition is a barometer to gauge how he may perform against likewise competition at the next level but many times its far from being the deciding factor.
IIRC Julian Edelman never played a single snap at WR in college and Belichick still drafted drafted him knowing he wasn't going to play QB. Devin McCourty was strictly a CB in college and may have just finished at HOF career at safety. We just spent weeks hearing that Cooper DeJean will likely become a full time safety in the very near future. Eliot Wolf literally just drafted an offensive lineman last night that started every single college game at Right Tackle and he projects him to be their left tackle at some point. McCaffrey is no different in that regards, he was drafted on potential and not where he played in college. There's literally dozens of offensive lineman in every draft that make a position switch along the line once they get into the NFL. Again, its all about how does that guy fit in our system.
I'll just say theres certainly guys that have been successful from smaller programs. Allen went to Wyoming (they do put a surprising number of guys into the pros though), Terell Owen, Antonio Gates didnt even play college football etc. Edelman was a QB at Kent State, well king of a QB, he ran more than he threw while he was there lol.
I get the whole family thing. Luke wasnt highly recruited though, and the scouting and everything has him projected as a special teams player. Hes slow for his size. He actually had a former 5 star QB in JT Daniels his final year at Rice who was a former starter for USC and Georgia but could never stay healthy. Daniels ended up having to retire from so many injuries. 3rd round was just to early.
@bgr said:
Everyone seems so sure that the Penix Jr pick was bad…
Is it really because of the injuries? I could see why a team might like that kid. In 10 years it will be nice to look back at the 2024 draft class and see where they rank.
No one was going to draft Pennix top 10, very few teams had him slotted as a first rounder. He's about to be 24m he was in college for 6 years and had season ending injuries in 3 of them, of the three he didnt get hurt one was his freshman year where he didnt really play. Multiple ACL tears, a shoulder AC joint separation.
Unless the Falcons are ready to just dump Cousins and eat the 90+ million they owe him Pennix has no chance of playing for at least 2 years unless Cousins gets hurt. That would make him 26 for his first start assuming they cut cousins in 2 years.
It was an all time bad pick that will get someone fired. Theyre likely losing draft picks next year over the Cousins signings, then they dont tell Cousins until the last second, why in the world would they draft a QB at 8? It wasnt even the right QB to take there either
@erikthredd said:
When teams choose a player in the draft its less about where that player played and more about what can that player do for us in our system in the near future. Sure, having game film of that player against similar competition is a barometer to gauge how he may perform against likewise competition at the next level but many times its far from being the deciding factor.
IIRC Julian Edelman never played a single snap at WR in college and Belichick still drafted drafted him knowing he wasn't going to play QB. Devin McCourty was strictly a CB in college and may have just finished at HOF career at safety. We just spent weeks hearing that Cooper DeJean will likely become a full time safety in the very near future. Eliot Wolf literally just drafted an offensive lineman last night that started every single college game at Right Tackle and he projects him to be their left tackle at some point. McCaffrey is no different in that regards, he was drafted on potential and not where he played in college. There's literally dozens of offensive lineman in every draft that make a position switch along the line once they get into the NFL. Again, its all about how does that guy fit in our system.
I'll just say theres certainly guys that have been successful from smaller programs. Allen went to Wyoming (they do put a surprising number of guys into the pros though), Terell Owen, Antonio Gates didnt even play college football etc. Edelman was a QB at Kent State, well king of a QB, he ran more than he threw while he was there lol.
I get the whole family thing. Luke wasnt highly recruited though, and the scouting and everything has him projected as a special teams player. Hes slow for his size. He actually had a former 5 star QB in JT Daniels his final year at Rice who was a former starter for USC and Georgia but could never stay healthy. Daniels ended up having to retire from so many injuries. 3rd round was just to early.
Speaking of Terrell Owens,his son Terique is in this draft too. Lots of family ties with all of the names I mentioned above and also Jeremiah Trotter Jr too. We'll find out soon enough if any of these players picked up much from their old man.
@bgr said:
Everyone seems so sure that the Penix Jr pick was bad…
Is it really because of the injuries? I could see why a team might like that kid. In 10 years it will be nice to look back at the 2024 draft class and see where they rank.
No one was going to draft Pennix top 10, very few teams had him slotted as a first rounder. He's about to be 24m he was in college for 6 years and had season ending injuries in 3 of them, of the three he didnt get hurt one was his freshman year where he didnt really play. Multiple ACL tears, a shoulder AC joint separation.
Unless the Falcons are ready to just dump Cousins and eat the 90+ million they owe him Pennix has no chance of playing for at least 2 years unless Cousins gets hurt. That would make him 26 for his first start assuming they cut cousins in 2 years.
It was an all time bad pick that will get someone fired. Theyre likely losing draft picks next year over the Cousins signings, then they dont tell Cousins until the last second, why in the world would they draft a QB at 8? It wasnt even the right QB to take there either
With the Falcons actually drafting Penix, it makes you wonder if there was just a little animosity towards Kirk after he basically ratted out that the team technically tampered when signing him. The fine got pushed off until after the draft but losing any draft pick(s) in that situation is tough especially if the punishment is harsher than expected.
@erikthredd said:
When teams choose a player in the draft its less about where that player played and more about what can that player do for us in our system in the near future. Sure, having game film of that player against similar competition is a barometer to gauge how he may perform against likewise competition at the next level but many times its far from being the deciding factor.
IIRC Julian Edelman never played a single snap at WR in college and Belichick still drafted drafted him knowing he wasn't going to play QB. Devin McCourty was strictly a CB in college and may have just finished at HOF career at safety. We just spent weeks hearing that Cooper DeJean will likely become a full time safety in the very near future. Eliot Wolf literally just drafted an offensive lineman last night that started every single college game at Right Tackle and he projects him to be their left tackle at some point. McCaffrey is no different in that regards, he was drafted on potential and not where he played in college. There's literally dozens of offensive lineman in every draft that make a position switch along the line once they get into the NFL. Again, its all about how does that guy fit in our system.
I'll just say theres certainly guys that have been successful from smaller programs. Allen went to Wyoming (they do put a surprising number of guys into the pros though), Terell Owen, Antonio Gates didnt even play college football etc. Edelman was a QB at Kent State, well king of a QB, he ran more than he threw while he was there lol.
I get the whole family thing. Luke wasnt highly recruited though, and the scouting and everything has him projected as a special teams player. Hes slow for his size. He actually had a former 5 star QB in JT Daniels his final year at Rice who was a former starter for USC and Georgia but could never stay healthy. Daniels ended up having to retire from so many injuries. 3rd round was just to early.
Speaking of Terrell Owens,his son Terique is in this draft too. Lots of family ties with all of the names I mentioned above and also Jeremiah Trotter Jr too. We'll find out soon enough if any of these players picked up much from their old man.
@bgr said:
Everyone seems so sure that the Penix Jr pick was bad…
Is it really because of the injuries? I could see why a team might like that kid. In 10 years it will be nice to look back at the 2024 draft class and see where they rank.
No one was going to draft Pennix top 10, very few teams had him slotted as a first rounder. He's about to be 24m he was in college for 6 years and had season ending injuries in 3 of them, of the three he didnt get hurt one was his freshman year where he didnt really play. Multiple ACL tears, a shoulder AC joint separation.
Unless the Falcons are ready to just dump Cousins and eat the 90+ million they owe him Pennix has no chance of playing for at least 2 years unless Cousins gets hurt. That would make him 26 for his first start assuming they cut cousins in 2 years.
It was an all time bad pick that will get someone fired. Theyre likely losing draft picks next year over the Cousins signings, then they dont tell Cousins until the last second, why in the world would they draft a QB at 8? It wasnt even the right QB to take there either
With the Falcons actually drafting Penix, it makes you wonder if there was just a little animosity towards Kirk after he basically ratted out that the team technically tampered when signing him. The fine got pushed off until after the draft but losing any draft pick(s) in that situation is tough especially if the punishment is harsher than expected.
It seems like maybe that was it, the video of their draft room though after the pick looked more like a GM trying to save his job as opposed to a happy owner.
It almost seems like a pick someone would make trying to get fired for a severance package. I think the Falcons probably just have a bad GM
The Bears taking a punter in the 4th round was funny too. Granted hes the most experienced punter ever playing at Iowa where punting was their offense. Hes still the only punter or kicker taken and its in the 6th round now
@bgr said:
Everyone seems so sure that the Penix Jr pick was bad…
Is it really because of the injuries? I could see why a team might like that kid. In 10 years it will be nice to look back at the 2024 draft class and see where they rank.
No one was going to draft Pennix top 10, very few teams had him slotted as a first rounder. He's about to be 24m he was in college for 6 years and had season ending injuries in 3 of them, of the three he didnt get hurt one was his freshman year where he didnt really play. Multiple ACL tears, a shoulder AC joint separation.
Unless the Falcons are ready to just dump Cousins and eat the 90+ million they owe him Pennix has no chance of playing for at least 2 years unless Cousins gets hurt. That would make him 26 for his first start assuming they cut cousins in 2 years.
It was an all time bad pick that will get someone fired. Theyre likely losing draft picks next year over the Cousins signings, then they dont tell Cousins until the last second, why in the world would they draft a QB at 8? It wasnt even the right QB to take there either
With the Falcons actually drafting Penix, it makes you wonder if there was just a little animosity towards Kirk after he basically ratted out that the team technically tampered when signing him. The fine got pushed off until after the draft but losing any draft pick(s) in that situation is tough especially if the punishment is harsher than expected.
It seems like maybe that was it, the video of their draft room though after the pick looked more like a GM trying to save his job as opposed to a happy owner.
It almost seems like a pick someone would make trying to get fired for a severance package. I think the Falcons probably just have a bad GM
The Bears taking a punter in the 4th round was funny too. Granted hes the most experienced punter ever playing at Iowa where punting was their offense. Hes still the only punter or kicker taken and its in the 6th round now
They messed up in not signing Belichick. They could have had a ready made offense with Cousins at QB that BB wouldn't have needed to mess with, just fix the defense and see what happens.
Joe Milton III to the Patriots. Hey Drake Maye, Ruh-Roh. Looks like the honeymoon ended pretty quick. 😎
he could easily end up being your starting QB
ever seen him in action?
he possesses everything you'd ever want out of a QB, minus consistency & accuracy issues
6'5", 240, runs a 4.5 and has a bazooka for a right arm. can easily throw the ball 80 yards in the air. i saw an interview with him and he said he maxes out at 90
Joe Milton III to the Patriots. Hey Drake Maye, Ruh-Roh. Looks like the honeymoon ended pretty quick. 😎
he could easily end up being your starting QB
ever seen him in action?
he possesses everything you'd ever want out of a QB, minus consistency & accuracy issues
6'5", 240, runs a 4.5 and has a bazooka for a right arm. can easily throw the ball 80 yards in the air. i saw an interview with him and he said he maxes out at 90
I've only see pictures of him and he looks like he's built with a ton of bricks. Similar build to Shannon Sharpe. At the very least Bailey Zappe's days looked to be numbered unless they go with 4 QBs although that recent 3rd QB rule might keep him around.
i knew nothing about him until one Saturday when i was flipping through channels and stopped on a Tennessee game (I think they were playing Georgia). kid was built like a sh*t brickhouse, was mobile and was flicking lasers all over the place. i had to go to the college football thread here to ask about him, because he was leaping off the screen at me and i had never heard of him before.
I used to think how great it is that they're moving the draft around to different cities and how cool it would be to attend. But now that the crowds have gotten insanely huge I think I'll just watch on TV. News outlets estimate 700,000 people attended.
Joe Milton III to the Patriots. Hey Drake Maye, Ruh-Roh. Looks like the honeymoon ended pretty quick. 😎
he could easily end up being your starting QB
ever seen him in action?
he possesses everything you'd ever want out of a QB, minus consistency & accuracy issues
6'5", 240, runs a 4.5 and has a bazooka for a right arm. can easily throw the ball 80 yards in the air. i saw an interview with him and he said he maxes out at 90
I've only see pictures of him and he looks like he's built with a ton of bricks. Similar build to Shannon Sharpe. At the very least Bailey Zappe's days looked to be numbered unless they go with 4 QBs although that recent 3rd QB rule might keep him around.
Maye probably isnt thrilled about that pick. No joke Milton probably has the highest ceiling of any of them but also a lower floor and is much more likely to hit the floor than the ceiling. Hes has a ridiculous cannon for an arm that right now is one of if not the strongest in the NFL. Hes also a 6'5 monster that can run as well.
Problem with him is his accuracy and timing things. Hes been at a couple schools and even Tennessee couldnt really fix it with their QB guru head coach. If someone can fix it its going to be like a Rivers Breese situation and that person deserves a massive raise
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Okay why do the Commodores keep coming to mind now when I read you guys posts? 🤔
Hey KC added another solid pick on offense with the TE that they picked in Jared Wiley. He's a big target that could make for a great bookend with Travis Kelce. They really crushed it with their offensive picks, Imo.
@bgr said:
Everyone seems so sure that the Penix Jr pick was bad…
Is it really because of the injuries? I could see why a team might like that kid. In 10 years it will be nice to look back at the 2024 draft class and see where they rank.
No one was going to draft Pennix top 10, very few teams had him slotted as a first rounder. He's about to be 24m he was in college for 6 years and had season ending injuries in 3 of them, of the three he didnt get hurt one was his freshman year where he didnt really play. Multiple ACL tears, a shoulder AC joint separation.
Unless the Falcons are ready to just dump Cousins and eat the 90+ million they owe him Pennix has no chance of playing for at least 2 years unless Cousins gets hurt. That would make him 26 for his first start assuming they cut cousins in 2 years.
It was an all time bad pick that will get someone fired. Theyre likely losing draft picks next year over the Cousins signings, then they dont tell Cousins until the last second, why in the world would they draft a QB at 8? It wasnt even the right QB to take there either
But he could sit behind Kirk for a few seasons. I just think he’s better than some of the other QBs drafted in the first.
@bgr said:
Everyone seems so sure that the Penix Jr pick was bad…
Is it really because of the injuries? I could see why a team might like that kid. In 10 years it will be nice to look back at the 2024 draft class and see where they rank.
No one was going to draft Pennix top 10, very few teams had him slotted as a first rounder. He's about to be 24m he was in college for 6 years and had season ending injuries in 3 of them, of the three he didnt get hurt one was his freshman year where he didnt really play. Multiple ACL tears, a shoulder AC joint separation.
Unless the Falcons are ready to just dump Cousins and eat the 90+ million they owe him Pennix has no chance of playing for at least 2 years unless Cousins gets hurt. That would make him 26 for his first start assuming they cut cousins in 2 years.
It was an all time bad pick that will get someone fired. Theyre likely losing draft picks next year over the Cousins signings, then they dont tell Cousins until the last second, why in the world would they draft a QB at 8? It wasnt even the right QB to take there either
But he could sit behind Kirk for a few seasons. I just think he’s better than some of the other QBs drafted in the first.
Theres no could, he will sit behind Kirk for at least 2 seasons unless Kirk gets hurt.
Kirk signed a deal that guarantees him 100 million and then the Falcons went out and drafted an older often injured QB at number 8 before Kirk has ever throw a pass for them.
Then if that wasnt bad enough they didnt even tell their new free agent QB until they did it.
It was an all time stupid move and bad pick that should get someone fired
....and they get drafted together. Oregon players were a popular pick this year, and when running back Bucky Irving became the seventh Duck off the board by early Day 3, he set a school record for the most selections in the common draft era.
Three picks flew off the board in the middle of the fourth round when CB Khyree Jackson went No. 108 overall to the Minnesota Vikings, followed by DL Brandon Dorlus to the Falcons with the next pick. Two picks later, safety Evan Williams was scooped up by the Green Bay Packers after they made a trade with the Jets.
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The Broncos landed two Ducks, trading up 19 spots to open Day 3 to snag wide receiver Troy Franklin, reuniting him with teammate Bo Nix, who was the Broncos' first-round pick. The Broncos brass was plenty familiar with Franklin, who participated in a private workout with Nix for the Broncos in March. And Franklin thrived with Nix throwing him the ball, setting Oregon single-season records last season in receiving yards (1,383), receiving touchdowns (14) and 100-yard receiving games (eight).
"He makes the receiver's job easier," Franklin said of Nix. "That's my guy right there."
Center Jackson Powers-Johnson was also drafted, going to the Las Vegas Raiders at No. 44 overall.
Oregon, though, wasn't the most represented program in this year's draft, eclipsed by College Football Playoff national champion Michigan (13), runner-up Washington (10) and semifinalists Texas (11) and Alabama (10). The Wolverines' 13 draft picks also set a program record for most selected in a single draft.
Nix to Franklin for the Broncos, probably a strong move. There us some serious chem btween da 2, Payton no dummie.
Heck of alot of UDub receivers drafted - real reason Penix was successful?
Mich, UT, 'bama, apparently most top talent with UDub.
I really liked what the Chargers did on offense after losing some longtime mainstays in LA in Keenan Allen, Mike Williams and Austin Ekeler. They came away with Herbert's backside protection for the next 10 years in Alt then added three solid WRs in Ladd McConkey, Jerry Rice's kid Brenden Rice and one of Harbaugh's Michigan wideouts in Cornelius Johnson.
Arizona added some good young core defensive backs in Max Melton, Elijiah jones and safety Dadrion Taylor-Demerson who now has the best nickname for a hard hitting free safety, DTD!
I loved what Carolina gave Bryce Young in WR Xavier Legette, RB jonathan Brooks and TE Ja'Tavion Sanders.
Felt the same way with Miami giving Tua a new LT in Patrick Paul, RB in Jaylen Wright,a slot WR in Malik Washington and a sneaky good deep threat in USC WR Tahj Washington
Minnesota crushed it by not handing NE a godfather type of offer for Drake Maye. They did offer a total of three 1st round picks which was a strong offer but NE didn't bite. The Vikings still got Jj anyways and added arguably the best defender in the draft in Dallas Turner. they also stole the big cornerback that I wanted in NE, Oregon's Khyree Jackson.
Houston found a poor man's Gronk for CJ Stroud in Cade Stover.
The rich got richer in KC with the Chiefs first three picks on offense.
Indy may have landed the best steal in this draft in WR Adonai Mitchell after rumors went around about him getting cranky when his blood sugar is low. This kid will be a stud across from Michael Pittman in no time.
Detroit added two young talented corners and continued to build their OL with solid picks.
Denver has the initial pieces to slowly start building around in Oregon QB Bo Nix & his former teammate WR Troy Franklin, one of the faster WRs in the draft. They also added ND's RB Audric Estime to help carry the load. Bo's traits are similar to drew Brees and Sean Payton got the most of those,we'll see if he can find the same results a second time.
The Bears got a franchise QB, a #1 elite WR and potentially a left tackle in Kiran Amegadjie.
The Bills snagged one of the better possession WRs in Keon Coleman and a potential Jordan Poyer replacement at safety in Cole Bishop.
The Steelers just keep doing what they always do,find tough offensive linemen and underrated WRs.
The Giants didn't draft Daniel Jones replacement but did draft some playmakers for him in LSU WR Malik Nabers & Penn State TE Theo Johnson.
Arod should be happy with the Jets getting another elite tackle in Olu Fashanu while also adding one of the best slot wideouts in Malachi Corley and a big RB in Braelon Allen. they also picked QB Jordan Travis out of Florida State so who knows if he ever develops.
That all being said,my two favorite draft classes are Washington & Philly.
The Commies first land Jayden Daniels then add TE Ben Sinnott, LT/G Brandon Coleman and WR Luke McCaffrey, not a bad core on offense to start building around.
Then Philly just crushed it with their picks on defense. Arguably the best CBs in Mitchell & Dejean, DE Jalyx Hunt and Jeremiah Trotter Jr at LB. they even grabbed a 6-6 WR Johnny Wilson that you get real creative with on offense on a line with WRs AJ Brown & DeVonta Smith.
@bgr said:
Everyone seems so sure that the Penix Jr pick was bad…
Is it really because of the injuries? I could see why a team might like that kid. In 10 years it will be nice to look back at the 2024 draft class and see where they rank.
No one was going to draft Pennix top 10, very few teams had him slotted as a first rounder. He's about to be 24m he was in college for 6 years and had season ending injuries in 3 of them, of the three he didnt get hurt one was his freshman year where he didnt really play. Multiple ACL tears, a shoulder AC joint separation.
Unless the Falcons are ready to just dump Cousins and eat the 90+ million they owe him Pennix has no chance of playing for at least 2 years unless Cousins gets hurt. That would make him 26 for his first start assuming they cut cousins in 2 years.
It was an all time bad pick that will get someone fired. Theyre likely losing draft picks next year over the Cousins signings, then they dont tell Cousins until the last second, why in the world would they draft a QB at 8? It wasnt even the right QB to take there either
But he could sit behind Kirk for a few seasons. I just think he’s better than some of the other QBs drafted in the first.
Theres no could, he will sit behind Kirk for at least 2 seasons unless Kirk gets hurt.
Kirk signed a deal that guarantees him 100 million and then the Falcons went out and drafted an older often injured QB at number 8 before Kirk has ever throw a pass for them.
Then if that wasnt bad enough they didnt even tell their new free agent QB until they did it.
It was an all time stupid move and bad pick that should get someone fired
As a fan who just watched Kirk leave, I am baffled at why people hate this pick.
I was hoping at one point that the Vikes keep Cousins and draft the best QB available.
Cousins has played the big $alary game to perfection, he was hurt last year and is getting old, although he was looking great up until the injury.
Management doesn't have any responsibility to worry about Kirk's feelings here. $100M takes care of that.
I wouldn't have picked a guy who's had 4 major injuries. That's the only thing that surprised me.
I wish Cousins the best, but it's obvious he makes his decisions on getting the best contract he can. That's not illegal. The team is also responsible for acquiring the best players for the future.
If Cousins is healthy next year his team may win several more games and not be in a position to draft a top QB prospect for a while.
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@bgr said:
Everyone seems so sure that the Penix Jr pick was bad…
Is it really because of the injuries? I could see why a team might like that kid. In 10 years it will be nice to look back at the 2024 draft class and see where they rank.
No one was going to draft Pennix top 10, very few teams had him slotted as a first rounder. He's about to be 24m he was in college for 6 years and had season ending injuries in 3 of them, of the three he didnt get hurt one was his freshman year where he didnt really play. Multiple ACL tears, a shoulder AC joint separation.
Unless the Falcons are ready to just dump Cousins and eat the 90+ million they owe him Pennix has no chance of playing for at least 2 years unless Cousins gets hurt. That would make him 26 for his first start assuming they cut cousins in 2 years.
It was an all time bad pick that will get someone fired. Theyre likely losing draft picks next year over the Cousins signings, then they dont tell Cousins until the last second, why in the world would they draft a QB at 8? It wasnt even the right QB to take there either
But he could sit behind Kirk for a few seasons. I just think he’s better than some of the other QBs drafted in the first.
Theres no could, he will sit behind Kirk for at least 2 seasons unless Kirk gets hurt.
Kirk signed a deal that guarantees him 100 million and then the Falcons went out and drafted an older often injured QB at number 8 before Kirk has ever throw a pass for them.
Then if that wasnt bad enough they didnt even tell their new free agent QB until they did it.
It was an all time stupid move and bad pick that should get someone fired
As a fan who just watched Kirk leave, I am baffled at why people hate this pick.
I was hoping at one point that the Vikes keep Cousins and draft the best QB available.
Cousins has played the big $alary game to perfection, he was hurt last year and is getting old, although he was looking great up until the injury.
Management doesn't have any responsibility to worry about Kirk's feelings here. $100M takes care of that.
I wouldn't have picked a guy who's had 4 major injuries. That's the only thing that surprised me.
I wish Cousins the best, but it's obvious he makes his decisions on getting the best contract he can. That's not illegal. The team is also responsible for acquiring the best players for the future.
If Cousins is healthy next year his team may win several more games and not be in a position to draft a top QB prospect for a while.
The biggest thing is just why would you draft a QB at 8 when you just signed a free agent one who has 100 mil guaranteed.
Its not like the Packers with Rogers where he had been there a long time, they just signed Kirk who hasnt even thrown a pass for them yet and then used that pick for another where he wont be playing for years. They could cut Cousins after 2 years which would still be expensive but before that it would be wildly expensive and why even sign him if that was the plan.
It just doesnt make any sense. Why sign Kirk if hes not the win now plan? Even if you ignore the Kirk part Pennix at 8 was very over drafted.
@bgr said:
Everyone seems so sure that the Penix Jr pick was bad…
Is it really because of the injuries? I could see why a team might like that kid. In 10 years it will be nice to look back at the 2024 draft class and see where they rank.
No one was going to draft Pennix top 10, very few teams had him slotted as a first rounder. He's about to be 24m he was in college for 6 years and had season ending injuries in 3 of them, of the three he didnt get hurt one was his freshman year where he didnt really play. Multiple ACL tears, a shoulder AC joint separation.
Unless the Falcons are ready to just dump Cousins and eat the 90+ million they owe him Pennix has no chance of playing for at least 2 years unless Cousins gets hurt. That would make him 26 for his first start assuming they cut cousins in 2 years.
It was an all time bad pick that will get someone fired. Theyre likely losing draft picks next year over the Cousins signings, then they dont tell Cousins until the last second, why in the world would they draft a QB at 8? It wasnt even the right QB to take there either
But he could sit behind Kirk for a few seasons. I just think he’s better than some of the other QBs drafted in the first.
Theres no could, he will sit behind Kirk for at least 2 seasons unless Kirk gets hurt.
Kirk signed a deal that guarantees him 100 million and then the Falcons went out and drafted an older often injured QB at number 8 before Kirk has ever throw a pass for them.
Then if that wasnt bad enough they didnt even tell their new free agent QB until they did it.
It was an all time stupid move and bad pick that should get someone fired
As a fan who just watched Kirk leave, I am baffled at why people hate this pick.
I was hoping at one point that the Vikes keep Cousins and draft the best QB available.
Cousins has played the big $alary game to perfection, he was hurt last year and is getting old, although he was looking great up until the injury.
Management doesn't have any responsibility to worry about Kirk's feelings here. $100M takes care of that.
I wouldn't have picked a guy who's had 4 major injuries. That's the only thing that surprised me.
I wish Cousins the best, but it's obvious he makes his decisions on getting the best contract he can. That's not illegal. The team is also responsible for acquiring the best players for the future.
If Cousins is healthy next year his team may win several more games and not be in a position to draft a top QB prospect for a while.
The biggest thing is just why would you draft a QB at 8 when you just signed a free agent one who has 100 mil guaranteed.
Its not like the Packers with Rogers where he had been there a long time, they just signed Kirk who hasnt even thrown a pass for them yet and then used that pick for another where he wont be playing for years. They could cut Cousins after 2 years which would still be expensive but before that it would be wildly expensive and why even sign him if that was the plan.
It just doesnt make any sense. Why sign Kirk if hes not the win now plan? Even if you ignore the Kirk part Pennix at 8 was very over drafted.
You get an established QB who has proven his ability to come in and immediately start and play well. If he does, Atlanta will be where the Vikings have been lately, no high 1st round pick for a top ranked QB.
However, he's getting old and he was hurt last year, so you're gambling on 2?, 3? years of being your starter. If he gets hurt, or hits the wall of old age, you have no QB. This is where the Vikings were and they got burned last year when he went down.
Don't get hung up on the $100M number, that's what it took to get a guy you KNOW will be good and maybe great.
**Kirk's best ability might be getting premium contracts.
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As I mentioned, Penix's 4 serious injuries scared me, I would not have picked him, but he was one of the guys after the "big 3" ranked in the next group. 3 or 4 of the 6 QBs picked in the 1st round will probably fail, or be average. Penix might be a "franchise" QB. Who knows?
Look at the guy we got to be our QB of the future, lots of people HATE the pick and lots LOVE it. Time will tell.
Really, the Falcons could easily have not signed an old QB coming off a severe (?) injury to $100-180M contract with a 4 year length. That's why we let him go.
I just don't like Atlanta's plan here at all, but if Kirk goes down, you have someone that might be able to step in and be serviceable.
There is a logic to Atlanta's thinking. Not what I would have done, but it does make sense.
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I’ll agree it’s an odd move given they signed cousins.
But ignoring that part I still think Penix Jr is better than some of the other QBs selected ahead of him.
So the injuries which were all at Indiana right?
ACL right knee.
Non-throwing shoulder separated AC joint.
ACL right knee.
Dislocated throwing shoulder.
4 seasons ended with injury.
Is he injury-prone?
He may be, though I suppose most are based on our current knowledge of soft-tissue injury. There is a genetic signature which does correlate to a decreased risk of soft tissue ruptures - the COL1A1 gene. So if he doesn’t have that, along with 99.8% of other NFL players, I guess he is injury prone.
Or if he has any of, hypothyroidism, gout, fibromyalgia, or any of the type II collagenopathies.
It could be related to body type. That’s why we see the highest incidence of injury in basketball - with all the ectomorphs.
While the NFL has different body types they are primarily mesomorphic with a subset of endomorphs.
I suspect, that these injuries are more related to sudden and pronounced impact on the joints he sustained injury to. Exacerbated by the quality of the team he played on, the position he played, and ironically to his athletic ability which allowed him to extend plays.
Orthopedic science doesn’t have all the answers but I would assume the falcons have the data they need.
Frank Gore also was tagged with the injury prone label. Also with 2 ACL years.
I like him because he has to be mentally tough. Coming back from 4 consecutive season-ending injuries as he did. He turned Indiana around during his time on the field. He went to Washington and played in a different system and excelled there as well.
He sets and fires. I like his game and if he can avoid the bad luck he had at Indiana he could be good.
Impossible to say either way. Plus the falcons will be able to trade Kirk to the raiders when Penix Jr’s ready for a haul.
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for those who think that Day 2 and beyond isn't quite as important....
we all know about Brady
but presently, the highest-paid WR in the league was drafted in the 4th round (Amon-Ra St. Brown)
just sayin before round 2 kicks off
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Buffalo traded out of the 1st round and the salary a first rounder gets and the fifth year options. They also picked up a 3rd round and still have 10 picks. I trust Beane but the Bills mafia ( most don’t know one end of a football from another) are crying. Fire Beane and McDermitt. They forgot 2017 when they stocked up on draft and traded up for Allen. Honestly I believe 90% of the mafia didn’t know football existed until 2020. SMH.
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What surprises me the most is 150,000 people went to Detroit, yes Detroit to stand outside while someone called names of college players. Die hard is one thing but Detroit? I’m surprised they didn’t pass 3 crack dealers, 100 hookers and a 6 car jackings to get there.
I’d rather be by the side of a lake in a cabin and read about it like I did this morning.
Fan loyalty and NFL mania is one thing but really. Best part is they booed the guy calling names every time. Crazy or am I just the “get off my lawn guy now?”
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On the Pat McAfee show last night they said the number of attendees was about 275K people. If someone wants to go an hangout there, whatever, to each his own.
other than the SB the draft is the NFL's next big event and they're going to milk it for what its worth. Even the individual teams had their own festivities. I saw a report that the Rams set up this huge football field on the beach and had players there and were giving away free stuff.
PS: if Buffalo wants to find their next big WR, Adonai Mitchell is that guy. Their never going to be able to stop Patrick Mahomes' Chiefs so the best plan would be to just try beating them in a shootout.
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The best part about how stupid that pick was, they didnt even tell Cousins until they were on the clock
Unless the owner said to do it I'm surprised the GM wasnt fired on the spot.
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All people involved should be fired,
Fine Cousins is 35 and getting old, but why pay him all that money and then take a QB when you really have offensive pieces in place to be competitive now, this team isn't being rebuilt
They could have grabbed Bowers for potentially the best TE combo in the league or add Odunze to the arsenal,
If you think your O is set up enough then add a defensive piece.
6 was to many.
The Penix pick was just a joke its so laughably bad, you would have thought the Saints were allowed to make the pick for them. He wont even get a chance to play for 2 years when hell be like 27 unless Cousins gets hurt
Caleb and McCarthy have no excuse if they struggle with the pass catching weapons they have.
Maye is in a really bad spot, but we have to see what the Pats do the rest of the draft.
Nix has some weapons, he probably wont be a superstar but should be good there.
Washington could be a sleeper team. They have 6 of the top 100 picks and if they use them wisely could put Daniels in a good spot.
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For real. Unless the owner just has dementia and forced the pick which videos dont seem to indicate that was one of the stupidest picks of all time.
Even if they really wanted Penix no one had him tagged as a top 10 pick. They could have just traded back at the very least to the end of the first round. That pick made absolutely no sense. Even drafting a punter would have been more productive
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Maybe it’s just a contrarian pick. You know given that the expert consensus is wrong like 97% of the time when predicting QB success in the NFL.
It sure seems like the wrong pick but the right ones turn out wrong so often I have to question the legitimacy of the standard process.
Bills go Keon Coleman then NE trades out with the Chargers who go Ladd McConkey. The Cards have their man Mitchell if they want him.
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NE drafts Washington WR Ja'Lynn Polk. i like it.
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Last night they announced 150,000 people and tonight they corrected it to 275k last night and they shut the doors at 230k tonight. Crazy
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Some day 2 picks that I really liked:
IMO, Washington cleaned up with adding three guys I wanted to see NE draft. TE Ben Sinnott is a George Kittles clone. OT Brandon Coleman can play LT and both guard spots and WR Luke McCaffrey is going to be a stud at some point. They even came away with a CB from Michigan, Mike Sainristil, who is a local kid out of MA.
Philly crushed it with two great CBs in Quinyon Mitchell & Cooper DeJean.
The Rams added some defensive firepower in DE Jared Verse, DT Braden Fiske & S Kam Kitchens.
LAC came away with the best Tackle in Joe Alt and really good WR in McConkey.
KC ended up with a speedster in Xavier Worthy and a tackle that could have gone in R1 in Kingsley Saumataia.
The Bears owned R1 landing Williams & Odunze and they came away with one of the Tackles I wanted for NE in Kiran Amegadjie.
The Cards filled a ton of holes on offense then also came away with two starting caliber CBs in Max Melton & Elijah Jones.
I liked NE's picks of WR Ja'Lynn Polk and Tackle Caedan Wallace. Pats fans are losing their minds right now because Wallace has solely been a right tackle but the team has already said they expect him to be able to play the left side.
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Im not sold on McCaffery other than his last name. He was playing at Rice for a reason after leaving Nebraska. He probably would have gone undrafted if that wasnt his last name.
Alt has a ton of talent for sure but a weird pick for the Chargers. They now have two highly talented left tackles and Alt will likely be the one that has to move to RT which isnt that easy,
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In 1992 when the Packers announced they had traded their first round pick for an injury-prone bad-character QB from the south it was pretty unpopular.
In 2005 it wasn’t widely known that the 49ers and Smith knew it was a done deal. Rodgers knew too. But when the pack selected him 24th we were confused. And skeptical.
Again in 2020 it was a bit of a shock. Maybe to some more so that the packers had finally selected an offensive player in the 1st round. Very rare for the pack. But for most, surprise that it was another QB. Granted Rodgers was already losing his mind but who cares. He’s a baller.
I think that the distance between what we know and what we think we know is impressively vast.
I’m looking forward to Penix Jr. absolutely shredding defenses for the next 15 years on those 2 rebuilt knees. So thanks for that!
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He switched from playing QB to WR just two seasons ago and the athleticism is there. I read somewhere that he was tied for the most contested receptions in all of college football last season and given more time to develop at that position I think he'll be better than both Ricky Pearsall & Ladd McConkey who are very similar players who went much higher in this draft.
That family has given the NFL two really good players in his father Ed and brother Christian and I'd absolutely take a chance on Luke in that situation. For all of the talk about Marvin Harrison Jr, Brenden RIce, Kris Jenkins & Joe Alt having that NFl bloodline that has been preparing them for the NFL since a young age, McCaffrey has been in that same situation.
For that same reasoning is why I'm so hopeful on Drake Maye, that family has been pumping out great athletes in multiple different sports.
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catching up on tonight's picks
random thoughts after two days
i can't help but think that the team that won the Super Bowl last season is going to be more formidable this coming season. if Mahomes can beat everyone without weapons, what's he going to do with them? and then stealing a stud tackle in the 2nd round to protect him? is everyone playing for 2nd place already?
seems like running backs are being phased out, but i loved the Cards nabbing Trey Benson in the 3rd. 215-220, sub-4.4, the RB1 on every rankings list i saw, a future 3-down back once Conner's days come to an end
then we have the Raiders. sitting there at 13 ready to pounce on a QB, then when it came time to pull the trigger they were all gone. i don't care who you are, that's funny. now they're entering the season in the same division as the SB champs with a depth chart that consists of Aidan O'Connell, Gardner Minshew and Anthony Brown
i want to slap people like Colin Cowherd who are defending the Penix pick. quick, when's the last time you said to yourself, man Atlanta's D is legit. here I'll answer for you -- never. last season they ranked near the bottom of the league in sacks. so with the most disruptive edge rusher sitting there on a silver platter (Dallas Turner), they decided to stockpile quarterbacks. i hope every team they play hangs 30+ on them next season.
then when the middle of the 1st rolled around and Turner was still available, you could practically hear the Minny war room collectively say, WTF? they shrewdly moved up a few spots, snagged him, and now they'll reap the benefits for years to come........thanks in large part to the idiot Falcons. i think joe b is really going to love that pick.
and the Eagles made a couple of great selections to fortify their D -- Mitchell and DeJean. i still remember (painfully) watching Philly games last season wondering if they had anyone on defense who could make a play. they just scooped up 2 guys who can.
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He wasnt going to be starting any more and transferred to a school that is is bad football program. He was the QB there one year and then switched to WR. The competition he was facing was not good.
Hes not better than McConkey or Pearson, none of the power schools really wanted him. Rice is a baseball school
I'm not rooting against him by any means but his last name and his brother is what got him dratted that high
Maye was a power school guy that if they give him the help can succeed. UNC for football was on the map because of what Maye could do. Maye got a ton of offers he could have taken to transfer but stayed
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When teams choose a player in the draft its less about where that player played and more about what can that player do for us in our system in the near future. Sure, having game film of that player against similar competition is a barometer to gauge how he may perform against likewise competition at the next level but many times its far from being the deciding factor.
IIRC Julian Edelman never played a single snap at WR in college and Belichick still drafted drafted him knowing he wasn't going to play QB. Devin McCourty was strictly a CB in college and may have just finished at HOF career at safety. We just spent weeks hearing that Cooper DeJean will likely become a full time safety in the very near future. Eliot Wolf literally just drafted an offensive lineman last night that started every single college game at Right Tackle and he projects him to be their left tackle at some point. McCaffrey is no different in that regards, he was drafted on potential and not where he played in college. There's literally dozens of offensive lineman in every draft that make a position switch along the line once they get into the NFL. Again, its all about how does that guy fit in our system.
As for the getting drafted because of his last name, it really is so much more than that. When you have players that have fathers that were former pro athletes it usually means that guy was preparing his kid to be a pro athlete long before many of that players contempories. Those types of players learn how to prepare and take care of their bodies starting at a young age.
Its similar to hearing that Player X is a coaches son, usually that means that guy is mentally ahead of the game whereas with this other situation it usually means that player is physically ahead of the game. If a player had a former pro athlete for a father, who also coached them, then that's usually two checkmarks in that players favor.
Patrick Mahomes father was a MLB pitcher and you don't think that Pat didn't benefit from that in his evolution to becoming the best passer in today's NFL? He absolutely did.
Pearsall & McConkey are both smart tacticians in the Wes Welker mode where they're more high FB-IQ than great athletes. Both players would have been drafted much higher had that not been the case. McCaffrey is in that same mold but with his pedigree there's a great chance that he maybe end up the better athlete of the three.
I'm going to end this debate here before it turns into a prolonged back & forth. There's a real possibility that Luke flames out by year 2 or he could have a long successful NFL career, time will ultimately tell.
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I just want to thank you guys for the high quality analysis of the draft. 👍
It’s a lot more interesting reading here about different team’s needs and who they picked than watching the draft on tv.
Eric and galaxy and all of you,
Thanks! 🍺
Different coaches and systems. Not really getting high drafted qb's. Now they have a great coach, great system, and their commitment within the management team to being better and better is probably going to pay off. McCarthy has as much potential as any of the top 6 if not more. It is now up to the coaches to get the most out of him in Vike territory.
I won't say anything about the Pack except that they don't have a qb that will make them an elite team. Detroit, Chicago, and Vikes all greatly improved in this draft, 2 by getting potentially elite qb's, one by adding strength to a team with was a few pt's short of going to the SB. In 3-4 years will we be seeing Packers on top of the division? It does not look good at this point...............
Cousins was fairly upset about this as it played out in the press. He rightly assumed that he was the qb of the franchise for 3-4 years when they signed him to that large contract. Atlanta coulda and shoulda waited at least a year to draft a qb high, I don't see this as a smart move. And Penix? Injured alot, so if he is put in, how long until he is injured? Seems like a very poor move indeed unless they want to move Penix, but how would they ever get value out of this? Who would give up a high pick to break even on this? Agree that Falcons have some decision making shortcomings.
Everyone seems so sure that the Penix Jr pick was bad…
Is it really because of the injuries? I could see why a team might like that kid. In 10 years it will be nice to look back at the 2024 draft class and see where they rank.
YES!
I was actually hoping for Byron Murphy, but this guy might be a better fit for Flores' blitzing defense.
Mostly, I was praying they weren't going to give up 3 #1's to move up and pick a QB who could end up being a bust, crippling the team's draft for the next two years. I'm sure glad we got rid of Rick "the draft genius" Spielman, who liked to move down and pick up multiple 7th rounders who never even made the team. I HATED that.
It looks like I might also need to start worrying about the Bears (who we can't seem to beat) becoming a big factor in the division.
The NFC Central might be getting back to being the "Black and Blue" division!
Carolina is giving Bryce Young some really good playmakers in this draft. First, Xavier Legette at WR, then Jonathon Brooks in the backfield and now Ja'Tavion Sanders at TE.
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I'll just say theres certainly guys that have been successful from smaller programs. Allen went to Wyoming (they do put a surprising number of guys into the pros though), Terell Owen, Antonio Gates didnt even play college football etc. Edelman was a QB at Kent State, well king of a QB, he ran more than he threw while he was there lol.
I get the whole family thing. Luke wasnt highly recruited though, and the scouting and everything has him projected as a special teams player. Hes slow for his size. He actually had a former 5 star QB in JT Daniels his final year at Rice who was a former starter for USC and Georgia but could never stay healthy. Daniels ended up having to retire from so many injuries. 3rd round was just to early.
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No one was going to draft Pennix top 10, very few teams had him slotted as a first rounder. He's about to be 24m he was in college for 6 years and had season ending injuries in 3 of them, of the three he didnt get hurt one was his freshman year where he didnt really play. Multiple ACL tears, a shoulder AC joint separation.
Unless the Falcons are ready to just dump Cousins and eat the 90+ million they owe him Pennix has no chance of playing for at least 2 years unless Cousins gets hurt. That would make him 26 for his first start assuming they cut cousins in 2 years.
It was an all time bad pick that will get someone fired. Theyre likely losing draft picks next year over the Cousins signings, then they dont tell Cousins until the last second, why in the world would they draft a QB at 8? It wasnt even the right QB to take there either
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Speaking of Terrell Owens,his son Terique is in this draft too. Lots of family ties with all of the names I mentioned above and also Jeremiah Trotter Jr too. We'll find out soon enough if any of these players picked up much from their old man.
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With the Falcons actually drafting Penix, it makes you wonder if there was just a little animosity towards Kirk after he basically ratted out that the team technically tampered when signing him. The fine got pushed off until after the draft but losing any draft pick(s) in that situation is tough especially if the punishment is harsher than expected.
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Jerry Rice and Frank Gores sons as well
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It seems like maybe that was it, the video of their draft room though after the pick looked more like a GM trying to save his job as opposed to a happy owner.
It almost seems like a pick someone would make trying to get fired for a severance package. I think the Falcons probably just have a bad GM
The Bears taking a punter in the 4th round was funny too. Granted hes the most experienced punter ever playing at Iowa where punting was their offense. Hes still the only punter or kicker taken and its in the 6th round now
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They messed up in not signing Belichick. They could have had a ready made offense with Cousins at QB that BB wouldn't have needed to mess with, just fix the defense and see what happens.
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Joe Milton III to the Patriots. Hey Drake Maye, Ruh-Roh. Looks like the honeymoon ended pretty quick. 😎
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he could easily end up being your starting QB
ever seen him in action?
he possesses everything you'd ever want out of a QB, minus consistency & accuracy issues
6'5", 240, runs a 4.5 and has a bazooka for a right arm. can easily throw the ball 80 yards in the air. i saw an interview with him and he said he maxes out at 90
that was a great pick
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I've only see pictures of him and he looks like he's built with a ton of bricks. Similar build to Shannon Sharpe. At the very least Bailey Zappe's days looked to be numbered unless they go with 4 QBs although that recent 3rd QB rule might keep him around.
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i knew nothing about him until one Saturday when i was flipping through channels and stopped on a Tennessee game (I think they were playing Georgia). kid was built like a sh*t brickhouse, was mobile and was flicking lasers all over the place. i had to go to the college football thread here to ask about him, because he was leaping off the screen at me and i had never heard of him before.
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Okay why do the Commodores keep coming to mind now when I read you guys posts? 🤔
I used to think how great it is that they're moving the draft around to different cities and how cool it would be to attend. But now that the crowds have gotten insanely huge I think I'll just watch on TV. News outlets estimate 700,000 people attended.
Maye probably isnt thrilled about that pick. No joke Milton probably has the highest ceiling of any of them but also a lower floor and is much more likely to hit the floor than the ceiling. Hes has a ridiculous cannon for an arm that right now is one of if not the strongest in the NFL. Hes also a 6'5 monster that can run as well.
Problem with him is his accuracy and timing things. Hes been at a couple schools and even Tennessee couldnt really fix it with their QB guru head coach. If someone can fix it its going to be like a Rivers Breese situation and that person deserves a massive raise
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Hey KC added another solid pick on offense with the TE that they picked in Jared Wiley. He's a big target that could make for a great bookend with Travis Kelce. They really crushed it with their offensive picks, Imo.
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But he could sit behind Kirk for a few seasons. I just think he’s better than some of the other QBs drafted in the first.
Theres no could, he will sit behind Kirk for at least 2 seasons unless Kirk gets hurt.
Kirk signed a deal that guarantees him 100 million and then the Falcons went out and drafted an older often injured QB at number 8 before Kirk has ever throw a pass for them.
Then if that wasnt bad enough they didnt even tell their new free agent QB until they did it.
It was an all time stupid move and bad pick that should get someone fired
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From ESPN:
"Ducks fly together...
....and they get drafted together. Oregon players were a popular pick this year, and when running back Bucky Irving became the seventh Duck off the board by early Day 3, he set a school record for the most selections in the common draft era.
Three picks flew off the board in the middle of the fourth round when CB Khyree Jackson went No. 108 overall to the Minnesota Vikings, followed by DL Brandon Dorlus to the Falcons with the next pick. Two picks later, safety Evan Williams was scooped up by the Green Bay Packers after they made a trade with the Jets.
What to know for the 2024 NFL offseason
The Broncos landed two Ducks, trading up 19 spots to open Day 3 to snag wide receiver Troy Franklin, reuniting him with teammate Bo Nix, who was the Broncos' first-round pick. The Broncos brass was plenty familiar with Franklin, who participated in a private workout with Nix for the Broncos in March. And Franklin thrived with Nix throwing him the ball, setting Oregon single-season records last season in receiving yards (1,383), receiving touchdowns (14) and 100-yard receiving games (eight).
"He makes the receiver's job easier," Franklin said of Nix. "That's my guy right there."
Center Jackson Powers-Johnson was also drafted, going to the Las Vegas Raiders at No. 44 overall.
Oregon, though, wasn't the most represented program in this year's draft, eclipsed by College Football Playoff national champion Michigan (13), runner-up Washington (10) and semifinalists Texas (11) and Alabama (10). The Wolverines' 13 draft picks also set a program record for most selected in a single draft.
Some final thoughts after the draft...
I really liked what the Chargers did on offense after losing some longtime mainstays in LA in Keenan Allen, Mike Williams and Austin Ekeler. They came away with Herbert's backside protection for the next 10 years in Alt then added three solid WRs in Ladd McConkey, Jerry Rice's kid Brenden Rice and one of Harbaugh's Michigan wideouts in Cornelius Johnson.
Arizona added some good young core defensive backs in Max Melton, Elijiah jones and safety Dadrion Taylor-Demerson who now has the best nickname for a hard hitting free safety, DTD!
I loved what Carolina gave Bryce Young in WR Xavier Legette, RB jonathan Brooks and TE Ja'Tavion Sanders.
Felt the same way with Miami giving Tua a new LT in Patrick Paul, RB in Jaylen Wright,a slot WR in Malik Washington and a sneaky good deep threat in USC WR Tahj Washington
Minnesota crushed it by not handing NE a godfather type of offer for Drake Maye. They did offer a total of three 1st round picks which was a strong offer but NE didn't bite. The Vikings still got Jj anyways and added arguably the best defender in the draft in Dallas Turner. they also stole the big cornerback that I wanted in NE, Oregon's Khyree Jackson.
Houston found a poor man's Gronk for CJ Stroud in Cade Stover.
The rich got richer in KC with the Chiefs first three picks on offense.
Indy may have landed the best steal in this draft in WR Adonai Mitchell after rumors went around about him getting cranky when his blood sugar is low. This kid will be a stud across from Michael Pittman in no time.
Detroit added two young talented corners and continued to build their OL with solid picks.
Denver has the initial pieces to slowly start building around in Oregon QB Bo Nix & his former teammate WR Troy Franklin, one of the faster WRs in the draft. They also added ND's RB Audric Estime to help carry the load. Bo's traits are similar to drew Brees and Sean Payton got the most of those,we'll see if he can find the same results a second time.
The Bears got a franchise QB, a #1 elite WR and potentially a left tackle in Kiran Amegadjie.
The Bills snagged one of the better possession WRs in Keon Coleman and a potential Jordan Poyer replacement at safety in Cole Bishop.
The Steelers just keep doing what they always do,find tough offensive linemen and underrated WRs.
The Giants didn't draft Daniel Jones replacement but did draft some playmakers for him in LSU WR Malik Nabers & Penn State TE Theo Johnson.
Arod should be happy with the Jets getting another elite tackle in Olu Fashanu while also adding one of the best slot wideouts in Malachi Corley and a big RB in Braelon Allen. they also picked QB Jordan Travis out of Florida State so who knows if he ever develops.
That all being said,my two favorite draft classes are Washington & Philly.
The Commies first land Jayden Daniels then add TE Ben Sinnott, LT/G Brandon Coleman and WR Luke McCaffrey, not a bad core on offense to start building around.
Then Philly just crushed it with their picks on defense. Arguably the best CBs in Mitchell & Dejean, DE Jalyx Hunt and Jeremiah Trotter Jr at LB. they even grabbed a 6-6 WR Johnny Wilson that you get real creative with on offense on a line with WRs AJ Brown & DeVonta Smith.
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As a fan who just watched Kirk leave, I am baffled at why people hate this pick.
I was hoping at one point that the Vikes keep Cousins and draft the best QB available.
Cousins has played the big $alary game to perfection, he was hurt last year and is getting old, although he was looking great up until the injury.
Management doesn't have any responsibility to worry about Kirk's feelings here. $100M takes care of that.
I wouldn't have picked a guy who's had 4 major injuries. That's the only thing that surprised me.
I wish Cousins the best, but it's obvious he makes his decisions on getting the best contract he can. That's not illegal. The team is also responsible for acquiring the best players for the future.
If Cousins is healthy next year his team may win several more games and not be in a position to draft a top QB prospect for a while.
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NFL Draft: Bears take Iowa punter, who immediately receives funny text from Caleb Williams
I thought Galaxy might enjoy this if he hadn't seen it.
The biggest thing is just why would you draft a QB at 8 when you just signed a free agent one who has 100 mil guaranteed.
Its not like the Packers with Rogers where he had been there a long time, they just signed Kirk who hasnt even thrown a pass for them yet and then used that pick for another where he wont be playing for years. They could cut Cousins after 2 years which would still be expensive but before that it would be wildly expensive and why even sign him if that was the plan.
It just doesnt make any sense. Why sign Kirk if hes not the win now plan? Even if you ignore the Kirk part Pennix at 8 was very over drafted.
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You get an established QB who has proven his ability to come in and immediately start and play well. If he does, Atlanta will be where the Vikings have been lately, no high 1st round pick for a top ranked QB.
However, he's getting old and he was hurt last year, so you're gambling on 2?, 3? years of being your starter. If he gets hurt, or hits the wall of old age, you have no QB. This is where the Vikings were and they got burned last year when he went down.
Don't get hung up on the $100M number, that's what it took to get a guy you KNOW will be good and maybe great.
**Kirk's best ability might be getting premium contracts.
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As I mentioned, Penix's 4 serious injuries scared me, I would not have picked him, but he was one of the guys after the "big 3" ranked in the next group. 3 or 4 of the 6 QBs picked in the 1st round will probably fail, or be average. Penix might be a "franchise" QB. Who knows?
Look at the guy we got to be our QB of the future, lots of people HATE the pick and lots LOVE it. Time will tell.
Really, the Falcons could easily have not signed an old QB coming off a severe (?) injury to $100-180M contract with a 4 year length. That's why we let him go.
I just don't like Atlanta's plan here at all, but if Kirk goes down, you have someone that might be able to step in and be serviceable.
There is a logic to Atlanta's thinking. Not what I would have done, but it does make sense.
I’ll agree it’s an odd move given they signed cousins.
But ignoring that part I still think Penix Jr is better than some of the other QBs selected ahead of him.
So the injuries which were all at Indiana right?
ACL right knee.
Non-throwing shoulder separated AC joint.
ACL right knee.
Dislocated throwing shoulder.
4 seasons ended with injury.
Is he injury-prone?
He may be, though I suppose most are based on our current knowledge of soft-tissue injury. There is a genetic signature which does correlate to a decreased risk of soft tissue ruptures - the COL1A1 gene. So if he doesn’t have that, along with 99.8% of other NFL players, I guess he is injury prone.
Or if he has any of, hypothyroidism, gout, fibromyalgia, or any of the type II collagenopathies.
It could be related to body type. That’s why we see the highest incidence of injury in basketball - with all the ectomorphs.
While the NFL has different body types they are primarily mesomorphic with a subset of endomorphs.
I suspect, that these injuries are more related to sudden and pronounced impact on the joints he sustained injury to. Exacerbated by the quality of the team he played on, the position he played, and ironically to his athletic ability which allowed him to extend plays.
Orthopedic science doesn’t have all the answers but I would assume the falcons have the data they need.
Frank Gore also was tagged with the injury prone label. Also with 2 ACL years.
I like him because he has to be mentally tough. Coming back from 4 consecutive season-ending injuries as he did. He turned Indiana around during his time on the field. He went to Washington and played in a different system and excelled there as well.
He sets and fires. I like his game and if he can avoid the bad luck he had at Indiana he could be good.
Impossible to say either way. Plus the falcons will be able to trade Kirk to the raiders when Penix Jr’s ready for a haul.
You sure know a lot more big words than most Packer fans.