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FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 3,439 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited November 26, 2023 8:56AM in U.S. Coin Forum

I chose this one due to its nearly dual sided appearance. Straight graded, images are TrueViews.

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  • GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,569 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 25, 2023 10:11AM

    MS67 Cameo OBV,,,,, reverse not cameo

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  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,594 ✭✭✭✭✭

    66CAM.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,879 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Smudge said:
    66CAM.

    If it’s graded by PCGS or NGC, it can’t be designated as “Cameo”.

    I’ll guess NGC MS67 Star.

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  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 3,439 ✭✭✭✭✭

    To clarify, this is a PCGS coin, and is therefore not eligible for NGC's star.

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,879 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @FlyingAl said:
    To clarify, this is a PCGS coin, and is therefore not eligible for NGC's star.

    I’ll go with 67, then, as the reverse looks as if it might not be PL.

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  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,257 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not eligible for NGC's star you say?

    PCGS MS67

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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,178 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS67 DMPL

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  • Eldorado9Eldorado9 Posts: 2,380 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll go with a big grade here: MS-68 PL The obverse looks certainly PL if not DMPL, but I'll account for the reverse being a bit less mirrored. Grading from pics=hard!

  • MapsOnFireMapsOnFire Posts: 235 ✭✭✭

    Can't be 68 with those marks on truncation and chin. Not fully DMPL so 67 PL.

  • pursuitoflibertypursuitofliberty Posts: 7,051 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice looking coin. Tough one. Almost doesn't appear that it should be straight graded (chin, mouth, nose appear, ummm, ...), but granted, PL and DMPL's Morgan's never have been my thing.

    Since you say it's straight-graded, I'm going to say;

    67PL

    The obverse looks more DMPL, but the reverse does not.


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  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,257 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @braddick said:
    MS67 DMPL

    Can I change my answer to this^^^^ ^^^^?

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  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,257 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Established: cameo contrast is there on the obverse. Not so much on the reverse.

    PCGS should give this piece number 67 grade. I once owned a Tidy Dollar, dollar with the same date that looked a lot like this one. Ever own a coin you let go of and are now kicking yourself in the butt for doing so?

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  • coastaljerseyguycoastaljerseyguy Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭✭✭

    66PL

  • braddickbraddick Posts: 24,178 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If the reverse of the above Morgan is even ever so slightly titled you won't see the contrast as you do on the obverse.
    The 'tell' is in the OP's statement:
    "I chose this one due to its nearly dual sided appearance."

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  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,335 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS67
    A beauty!

  • scubafuelscubafuel Posts: 1,886 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If this is an altered image GTG, I’ll guess some sort of details.

    Otherwise I’ll guess MS67

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,879 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @braddick said:
    If the reverse of the above Morgan is even ever so slightly titled you won't see the contrast as you do on the obverse.
    The 'tell' is in the OP's statement:
    "I chose this one due to its nearly dual sided appearance."

    That comment caught my attention too. But the reverse looks noticeably striated, so I dismissed DMPL as a likely designation. After doing so, I decided to go with non-PL, rather than PL.

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  • LeeBoneLeeBone Posts: 4,491 ✭✭✭✭✭

    66+PL

  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 11,516 ✭✭✭✭✭

    67PL

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  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,589 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll go 65+

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  • privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,492 ✭✭✭✭✭

    66+

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  • davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,355 ✭✭✭✭✭

    65+ PL

  • 2windy2fish2windy2fish Posts: 831 ✭✭✭✭✭

    67PL

  • CocoinutCocoinut Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭✭✭

    67PL

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  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,801 ✭✭✭✭✭

    since I don't trust pics, I'll say 65PL

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  • jfriedm56jfriedm56 Posts: 1,358 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Obverse is stunning. 67PL

  • AlanSkiAlanSki Posts: 1,926 ✭✭✭✭✭

    67+pl

  • AllentramAllentram Posts: 106 ✭✭✭

    Beautiful, My guess is MS67.

  • KliaoKliao Posts: 5,608 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS66+PL

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  • joebb21joebb21 Posts: 4,748 ✭✭✭✭✭

    67pl

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  • metalmeistermetalmeister Posts: 4,587 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS 67 PL camp. Nice!

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  • Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 1,350 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice coin.
    66

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  • alohagaryalohagary Posts: 2,820 ✭✭✭✭

    67

  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 8,857 ✭✭✭✭✭

    65+PL

  • JerseyBJerseyB Posts: 130 ✭✭✭

    66 PL

  • pointfivezeropointfivezero Posts: 1,854 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow, superb coin and matching grade.

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  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,589 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks much more like the grade in the slab shot.

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  • Eldorado9Eldorado9 Posts: 2,380 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Where do I pick up my prize? ;)

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,879 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gumby1234 said:
    Looks much more like the grade in the slab shot.

    Agreed. The initial image made it appear that there were hairlines in the upper left obverse field and the contrast, much less intense.

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  • winestevenwinesteven Posts: 4,638 ✭✭✭✭✭

    With a coin that special, not having a CAC sticker doesn't matter. Regardless, at that price point I'm convinced it was submitted to CAC stickering in NJ. What are the educated guesses as to why it failed to sticker? Not sufficiently PL on the reverse???? Since CAC stickering ignores plus grades, did they feel it was a "C" coin as just a 68 (or less)????????

    I ask because I'd like to learn.

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  • Morgan13Morgan13 Posts: 1,350 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's is one heck of a coin.

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  • pointfivezeropointfivezero Posts: 1,854 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @winesteven said:
    With a coin that special, not having a CAC sticker doesn't matter. Regardless, at that price point I'm convinced it was submitted to CAC stickering in NJ. What are the educated guesses as to why it failed to sticker? Not sufficiently PL on the reverse???? Since CAC stickering ignores plus grades, did they feel it was a "C" coin as just a 68 (or less)????????

    I ask because I'd like to learn.

    Steve

    If it has been submitted to CAC and did not pass, my guess would be incomplete PL on the reverse. This was the reason JA provided to me when rejecting my 1879-CC MS63PL and it looks similar to the reverse in the OP:

    Tim

  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 8,857 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks much better in the light.

  • Desert MoonDesert Moon Posts: 5,890 ✭✭✭✭✭

    CAC is very very tough on the PL designation. Anything not perfectly PL on the surfaces, no matter how minor, will not pass CAC...............

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  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 3,439 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @winesteven said:
    With a coin that special, not having a CAC sticker doesn't matter. Regardless, at that price point I'm convinced it was submitted to CAC stickering in NJ. What are the educated guesses as to why it failed to sticker? Not sufficiently PL on the reverse???? Since CAC stickering ignores plus grades, did they feel it was a "C" coin as just a 68 (or less)????????

    I ask because I'd like to learn.

    Steve

    I'd say they didn't see it as PL, but that's a guess.

    Of course, I've never seen the coin but I'd wager that PCGS's professional images are far more accurate than GC's slab shots.

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