@johnny010 said:
Maybe I’m disconnected a bit, but traveling 50% for a living, I don’t see the world falling apart due to a connecting flight. I mean, it’s better than a stage coach.
You're right. The world also won't fall apart if a coin show is skipped.
Dealers have enough hassles traveling around the country with expensive inventory. Connecting flights do not need to be among them. Particularly when there are several opportunities throughout the year that do not involve them.
It's a legitimate concern, no one is required to attend any particular show, and the final attendance tally will show that @PeakRarities's concerns are not unfounded. Particularly when you consider that the issue also impacts members of the public.
Less public attendance at a show translates into less good shows for dealers, magnifying the hassle of traveling in the first place. With or without a connecting flight. Just ask any dealer who attended the last show in Nashville or Tampa whether the squeeze was worth the juice in light of the public attendance.
I'm fully aware that OKC might not have as many direct flights as some locations, but for all you high society folks and other elites, if you live in places such as Miami, Orlando, Chicago, NYC, LA, Denver, Atlanta, Charlotte, Seattle, Nashville, or Vegas just to name a few you shouldn't have any trouble getting a direct flight if that's what you want. Now if the cream of the crop coin dealers all live in Bugtussle or Hooterville that's a different story.
If you say so. I'll wait and see how the attendance shakes out.
I predict many cream of the crop coin dealers will skip the show, regardless of where they are coming from, because if the show turns out to be a bust, it just won't be worth their time and money. And all indications are that OKC is going to draw traffic comparable to the GACC in Tampa or IMEX in Nashville, as opposed to ANA in Rosemont, Pittsburgh or Philadelphia, or FUN in Orlando.
Because a lot of people are going to have no interest in making a trip to OKC in August to look at and buy coins. Lots of other opportunities to visit much more attractive locations during the year.
The fact remains that there is not nearly as much nonstop air service to OKC as you seem to imagine, and the flights that are available are not nearly as well priced as those to many other popular destinations. As though OKC is a popular destination in the first place. Not sure what drove the ANA's decision to pay OKC a visit, but, after the show, you'll see why it wasn't a wise one.
"High society" or not, this is not a "build it and they will come" type of situation. The shows need to be where people want to go. Not the other way around. Because, given the variety of choices throughout the year, absolutely no one needs to go to any one show. Especially if they think it might suck.
There are myriad reasons why OKC is not a hot spot. (I guess, literally, in August it will be a bit of a hot spot. 🤣) The lack of tons of cheap direct flights to many US destinations is but one of them.
LOL, I never said OKC would be a success that is completely out of my control. I just wanted to gig you a bit because you talk a lot, but I've never seen you back anything up. Around here in OKC we call that "all hat no cattle".
I will admit I have probably not read all of your nearly 2,500 posts so I could have missed it, but I have never seen you post a single coin or mention what you actually like to collect. Even more peculiar I have never seen you post a positive or affirming post. All I've ever seen are negative and argumentative posts. It's actually kind of sad.
Case in point, in one of the now deleted VaultBox threads, I actually took your side to which you immediately told me I was wrong. It was both fascinating and absurd all at the same time, and like I said kind of sad.
All good. I like to share my thoughts. Not my collection. If you look hard enough, you'll see many positive, affirming posts. Even some agreeing with those I tend to argue with.
Plenty of "Likes" and "Agrees" as well. The fact remains, as with life in general, that it's the arguments that tend to draw attention.
That said, if OKC being a success is completely out of your control, what are you trying to convey by posting that "all you high society folks and other elites, if you live in places such as Miami, Orlando, Chicago, NYC, LA, Denver, Atlanta, Charlotte, Seattle, Nashville, or Vegas just to name a few you shouldn't have any trouble getting a direct flight if that's what you want"? That they should be ashamed of themselves if OKC is not a success, because OKC is accessible to those truly motivated to make the effort?
Yes, of course it is. Any place is. The point that the WFOM is not a Taylor Swift concert, and the more difficult it is to attend, and the less attractive the location, the fewer hard core collectors will be motivated to make the effort. And dealers really don't need to congregate in OKC in August to trade with themselves.
No offense to you if you call OKC home. I don't consider myself a "high society elite," but OKC is not really an attractive convention location for most of the rest of the country. Notwithstanding the fact that you have professional basketball and some very fine college football.
Why would I say anyone should be ashamed if OKC is not a success or if dealers and/or collectors choose not to attend? That is probably one of the more asinine things you have said, and that's a pretty high bar. Once again I was gigging you. After all I figured a big shot like you had a private jet, so a direct flight shouldn't be a problem. Commercial is for poor people.
Would I like for OKC to be a success, absolutely. As a matter of fact I hope every coin show is a success including GACC and IMEX because it is good for the hobby. However, if the WFoM in OKC falls flat on its face it won't affect me in the slightest or my bottom line unless they start auctioning cattle on the bourse.
Why would the ANA choose a s#%* hole like OKC? I have no idea, I guess someone needs to ask them. Who knows maybe APMEX played a role, they swing a pretty big stick (at least with bullion) and their headquarters are in OKC.
Not really sure how we ended up in the rabbit hole, or how it "gigging me" to say "I'm fully aware that OKC might not have as many direct flights as some locations, but for all you high society folks and other elites, if you live in places such as Miami, Orlando, Chicago, NYC, LA, Denver, Atlanta, Charlotte, Seattle, Nashville, or Vegas just to name a few you shouldn't have any trouble getting a direct flight if that's what you want. Now if the cream of the crop coin dealers all live in Bugtussle or Hooterville that's a different story."
I read it to mean that OKC is easily accessible from lots of places, so inability to get a direct flight is no reason to shun OKC. And I gave you my response.
The fact is, OKC not being a success won't actually affect anyone in the slightest, other than the ANA. And, whatever its motives were for choosing OKC, I am quite sure they went in with their eyes wide open.
It was likely payback to someone for something. And, as I said, the hobby will survive and we will all move on.
Piling on me for calling it as I see it is not going to change anything, or make OKC any better or worse than it is going to be. I seriously doubt a single person who wasn't going to go is going to change their mind based on your posts, or is going to change plans to go based on mine.
So, what exactly is the point of arguing with me when you are not even willing to take the other side?
The point is all you do is argue, and I was simply pointing that out. You are a negative person by nature, which is okay I guess (not really). It just seems like a sad way to go through life.
Once again have you ever posted a picture of a coin on this board? Have you ever stated what you like to collect? Have you ever even complimented someone on their coins or is arguing with people all you do here?
In that case, talk about calling the kettle black. "I'm arguing with you when I don't even believe in the other side as a demonstration of how YOU like to argue." 🤣🤣🤣
I'm just bored tonight. I don't typically argue with people on this board, I try to help people when I can, and I have posted lots of coins, especially on the rare plastic thread, which is a collecting interest of mine. Almost 2,500 negative posts for you, that's got to be some kind of record.
@johnny010 said:
Maybe I’m disconnected a bit, but traveling 50% for a living, I don’t see the world falling apart due to a connecting flight. I mean, it’s better than a stage coach.
You're right. The world also won't fall apart if a coin show is skipped.
Dealers have enough hassles traveling around the country with expensive inventory. Connecting flights do not need to be among them. Particularly when there are several opportunities throughout the year that do not involve them.
It's a legitimate concern, no one is required to attend any particular show, and the final attendance tally will show that @PeakRarities's concerns are not unfounded. Particularly when you consider that the issue also impacts members of the public.
Less public attendance at a show translates into less good shows for dealers, magnifying the hassle of traveling in the first place. With or without a connecting flight. Just ask any dealer who attended the last show in Nashville or Tampa whether the squeeze was worth the juice in light of the public attendance.
I'm fully aware that OKC might not have as many direct flights as some locations, but for all you high society folks and other elites, if you live in places such as Miami, Orlando, Chicago, NYC, LA, Denver, Atlanta, Charlotte, Seattle, Nashville, or Vegas just to name a few you shouldn't have any trouble getting a direct flight if that's what you want. Now if the cream of the crop coin dealers all live in Bugtussle or Hooterville that's a different story.
If you say so. I'll wait and see how the attendance shakes out.
I predict many cream of the crop coin dealers will skip the show, regardless of where they are coming from, because if the show turns out to be a bust, it just won't be worth their time and money. And all indications are that OKC is going to draw traffic comparable to the GACC in Tampa or IMEX in Nashville, as opposed to ANA in Rosemont, Pittsburgh or Philadelphia, or FUN in Orlando.
Because a lot of people are going to have no interest in making a trip to OKC in August to look at and buy coins. Lots of other opportunities to visit much more attractive locations during the year.
The fact remains that there is not nearly as much nonstop air service to OKC as you seem to imagine, and the flights that are available are not nearly as well priced as those to many other popular destinations. As though OKC is a popular destination in the first place. Not sure what drove the ANA's decision to pay OKC a visit, but, after the show, you'll see why it wasn't a wise one.
"High society" or not, this is not a "build it and they will come" type of situation. The shows need to be where people want to go. Not the other way around. Because, given the variety of choices throughout the year, absolutely no one needs to go to any one show. Especially if they think it might suck.
There are myriad reasons why OKC is not a hot spot. (I guess, literally, in August it will be a bit of a hot spot. 🤣) The lack of tons of cheap direct flights to many US destinations is but one of them.
LOL, I never said OKC would be a success that is completely out of my control. I just wanted to gig you a bit because you talk a lot, but I've never seen you back anything up. Around here in OKC we call that "all hat no cattle".
I will admit I have probably not read all of your nearly 2,500 posts so I could have missed it, but I have never seen you post a single coin or mention what you actually like to collect. Even more peculiar I have never seen you post a positive or affirming post. All I've ever seen are negative and argumentative posts. It's actually kind of sad.
Case in point, in one of the now deleted VaultBox threads, I actually took your side to which you immediately told me I was wrong. It was both fascinating and absurd all at the same time, and like I said kind of sad.
All good. I like to share my thoughts. Not my collection. If you look hard enough, you'll see many positive, affirming posts. Even some agreeing with those I tend to argue with.
Plenty of "Likes" and "Agrees" as well. The fact remains, as with life in general, that it's the arguments that tend to draw attention.
That said, if OKC being a success is completely out of your control, what are you trying to convey by posting that "all you high society folks and other elites, if you live in places such as Miami, Orlando, Chicago, NYC, LA, Denver, Atlanta, Charlotte, Seattle, Nashville, or Vegas just to name a few you shouldn't have any trouble getting a direct flight if that's what you want"? That they should be ashamed of themselves if OKC is not a success, because OKC is accessible to those truly motivated to make the effort?
Yes, of course it is. Any place is. The point that the WFOM is not a Taylor Swift concert, and the more difficult it is to attend, and the less attractive the location, the fewer hard core collectors will be motivated to make the effort. And dealers really don't need to congregate in OKC in August to trade with themselves.
No offense to you if you call OKC home. I don't consider myself a "high society elite," but OKC is not really an attractive convention location for most of the rest of the country. Notwithstanding the fact that you have professional basketball and some very fine college football.
Why would I say anyone should be ashamed if OKC is not a success or if dealers and/or collectors choose not to attend? That is probably one of the more asinine things you have said, and that's a pretty high bar. Once again I was gigging you. After all I figured a big shot like you had a private jet, so a direct flight shouldn't be a problem. Commercial is for poor people.
Would I like for OKC to be a success, absolutely. As a matter of fact I hope every coin show is a success including GACC and IMEX because it is good for the hobby. However, if the WFoM in OKC falls flat on its face it won't affect me in the slightest or my bottom line unless they start auctioning cattle on the bourse.
Why would the ANA choose a s#%* hole like OKC? I have no idea, I guess someone needs to ask them. Who knows maybe APMEX played a role, they swing a pretty big stick (at least with bullion) and their headquarters are in OKC.
Not really sure how we ended up in the rabbit hole, or how it "gigging me" to say "I'm fully aware that OKC might not have as many direct flights as some locations, but for all you high society folks and other elites, if you live in places such as Miami, Orlando, Chicago, NYC, LA, Denver, Atlanta, Charlotte, Seattle, Nashville, or Vegas just to name a few you shouldn't have any trouble getting a direct flight if that's what you want. Now if the cream of the crop coin dealers all live in Bugtussle or Hooterville that's a different story."
I read it to mean that OKC is easily accessible from lots of places, so inability to get a direct flight is no reason to shun OKC. And I gave you my response.
The fact is, OKC not being a success won't actually affect anyone in the slightest, other than the ANA. And, whatever its motives were for choosing OKC, I am quite sure they went in with their eyes wide open.
It was likely payback to someone for something. And, as I said, the hobby will survive and we will all move on.
Piling on me for calling it as I see it is not going to change anything, or make OKC any better or worse than it is going to be. I seriously doubt a single person who wasn't going to go is going to change their mind based on your posts, or is going to change plans to go based on mine.
So, what exactly is the point of arguing with me when you are not even willing to take the other side?
The point is all you do is argue, and I was simply pointing that out. You are a negative person by nature, which is okay I guess (not really). It just seems like a sad way to go through life.
Once again have you ever posted a picture of a coin on this board? Have you ever stated what you like to collect? Have you ever even complimented someone on their coins or is arguing with people all you do here?
In that case, talk about calling the kettle black. "I'm arguing with you when I don't even believe in the other side as a demonstration of how YOU like to argue." 🤣🤣🤣
No, I've never posted a picture of a coin. So I'm not allowed to share my thoughts. About anything I want. Whenever I so choose. Thanks for setting me straight. 🤣🤣🤣
Good grief, do you edit every post?
You may do whatever you like, I'm not in charge of you. I'm just curious. We've established that you have never posted any pictures of coins. Have you ever posted what types of coins you collect? Do you in fact own any collectable coins? Have you ever complimented anyone on this board about their coins? Have you ever tried to help anyone on this board/answer a question in a positive manner or are all of your comments negative? Once again I assume I haven't read all of your posts, but all of them that I have read have been negative. Why is that?
@UpGrayedd said:
I'm fully aware that OKC might not have as many direct flights as some locations, but for all you high society folks and other elites, if you live in places such as Miami, Orlando, Chicago, NYC, LA, Denver, Atlanta, Charlotte, Seattle, Nashville, or Vegas just to name a few you shouldn't have any trouble getting a direct flight if that's what you want. Now if the cream of the crop coin dealers all live in Bugtussle or Hooterville that's a different story.
@johnny010 said:
Maybe I’m disconnected a bit, but traveling 50% for a living, I don’t see the world falling apart due to a connecting flight. I mean, it’s better than a stage coach.
You're right. The world also won't fall apart if a coin show is skipped.
Dealers have enough hassles traveling around the country with expensive inventory. Connecting flights do not need to be among them. Particularly when there are several opportunities throughout the year that do not involve them.
It's a legitimate concern, no one is required to attend any particular show, and the final attendance tally will show that @PeakRarities's concerns are not unfounded. Particularly when you consider that the issue also impacts members of the public.
Less public attendance at a show translates into less good shows for dealers, magnifying the hassle of traveling in the first place. With or without a connecting flight. Just ask any dealer who attended the last show in Nashville or Tampa whether the squeeze was worth the juice in light of the public attendance.
I'm fully aware that OKC might not have as many direct flights as some locations, but for all you high society folks and other elites, if you live in places such as Miami, Orlando, Chicago, NYC, LA, Denver, Atlanta, Charlotte, Seattle, Nashville, or Vegas just to name a few you shouldn't have any trouble getting a direct flight if that's what you want. Now if the cream of the crop coin dealers all live in Bugtussle or Hooterville that's a different story.
If you say so. I'll wait and see how the attendance shakes out.
I predict many cream of the crop coin dealers will skip the show, regardless of where they are coming from, because if the show turns out to be a bust, it just won't be worth their time and money. And all indications are that OKC is going to draw traffic comparable to the GACC in Tampa or IMEX in Nashville, as opposed to ANA in Rosemont, Pittsburgh or Philadelphia, or FUN in Orlando.
Because a lot of people are going to have no interest in making a trip to OKC in August to look at and buy coins. Lots of other opportunities to visit much more attractive locations during the year.
The fact remains that there is not nearly as much nonstop air service to OKC as you seem to imagine, and the flights that are available are not nearly as well priced as those to many other popular destinations. As though OKC is a popular destination in the first place. Not sure what drove the ANA's decision to pay OKC a visit, but, after the show, you'll see why it wasn't a wise one.
"High society" or not, this is not a "build it and they will come" type of situation. The shows need to be where people want to go. Not the other way around. Because, given the variety of choices throughout the year, absolutely no one needs to go to any one show. Especially if they think it might suck.
There are myriad reasons why OKC is not a hot spot. (I guess, literally, in August it will be a bit of a hot spot. 🤣) The lack of tons of cheap direct flights to many US destinations is but one of them.
LOL, I never said OKC would be a success that is completely out of my control. I just wanted to gig you a bit because you talk a lot, but I've never seen you back anything up. Around here in OKC we call that "all hat no cattle".
I will admit I have probably not read all of your nearly 2,500 posts so I could have missed it, but I have never seen you post a single coin or mention what you actually like to collect. Even more peculiar I have never seen you post a positive or affirming post. All I've ever seen are negative and argumentative posts. It's actually kind of sad.
Case in point, in one of the now deleted VaultBox threads, I actually took your side to which you immediately told me I was wrong. It was both fascinating and absurd all at the same time, and like I said kind of sad.
All good. I like to share my thoughts. Not my collection. If you look hard enough, you'll see many positive, affirming posts. Even some agreeing with those I tend to argue with.
Plenty of "Likes" and "Agrees" as well. The fact remains, as with life in general, that it's the arguments that tend to draw attention.
That said, if OKC being a success is completely out of your control, what are you trying to convey by posting that "all you high society folks and other elites, if you live in places such as Miami, Orlando, Chicago, NYC, LA, Denver, Atlanta, Charlotte, Seattle, Nashville, or Vegas just to name a few you shouldn't have any trouble getting a direct flight if that's what you want"? That they should be ashamed of themselves if OKC is not a success, because OKC is accessible to those truly motivated to make the effort?
Yes, of course it is. Any place is. The point that the WFOM is not a Taylor Swift concert, and the more difficult it is to attend, and the less attractive the location, the fewer hard core collectors will be motivated to make the effort. And dealers really don't need to congregate in OKC in August to trade with themselves.
No offense to you if you call OKC home. I don't consider myself a "high society elite," but OKC is not really an attractive convention location for most of the rest of the country. Notwithstanding the fact that you have professional basketball and some very fine college football.
Why would I say anyone should be ashamed if OKC is not a success or if dealers and/or collectors choose not to attend? That is probably one of the more asinine things you have said, and that's a pretty high bar. Once again I was gigging you. After all I figured a big shot like you had a private jet, so a direct flight shouldn't be a problem. Commercial is for poor people.
Would I like for OKC to be a success, absolutely. As a matter of fact I hope every coin show is a success including GACC and IMEX because it is good for the hobby. However, if the WFoM in OKC falls flat on its face it won't affect me in the slightest or my bottom line unless they start auctioning cattle on the bourse.
Why would the ANA choose a s#%* hole like OKC? I have no idea, I guess someone needs to ask them. Who knows maybe APMEX played a role, they swing a pretty big stick (at least with bullion) and their headquarters are in OKC.
Not really sure how we ended up in the rabbit hole, or how it "gigging me" to say "I'm fully aware that OKC might not have as many direct flights as some locations, but for all you high society folks and other elites, if you live in places such as Miami, Orlando, Chicago, NYC, LA, Denver, Atlanta, Charlotte, Seattle, Nashville, or Vegas just to name a few you shouldn't have any trouble getting a direct flight if that's what you want. Now if the cream of the crop coin dealers all live in Bugtussle or Hooterville that's a different story."
I read it to mean that OKC is easily accessible from lots of places, so inability to get a direct flight is no reason to shun OKC. And I gave you my response.
The fact is, OKC not being a success won't actually affect anyone in the slightest, other than the ANA. And, whatever its motives were for choosing OKC, I am quite sure they went in with their eyes wide open.
It was likely payback to someone for something. And, as I said, the hobby will survive and we will all move on.
Piling on me for calling it as I see it is not going to change anything, or make OKC any better or worse than it is going to be. I seriously doubt a single person who wasn't going to go is going to change their mind based on your posts, or is going to change plans to go based on mine.
So, what exactly is the point of arguing with me when you are not even willing to take the other side?
The point is all you do is argue, and I was simply pointing that out. You are a negative person by nature, which is okay I guess (not really). It just seems like a sad way to go through life.
Once again have you ever posted a picture of a coin on this board? Have you ever stated what you like to collect? Have you ever even complimented someone on their coins or is arguing with people all you do here?
In that case, talk about calling the kettle black. "I'm arguing with you when I don't even believe in the other side as a demonstration of how YOU like to argue." 🤣🤣🤣
No, I've never posted a picture of a coin. So I'm not allowed to share my thoughts. About anything I want. Whenever I so choose. Thanks for setting me straight. 🤣🤣🤣
Good grief, do you edit every post?
You may do whatever you like, I'm not in charge of you. I'm just curious. We've established that you have never posted any pictures of coins. Have you ever posted what types of coins you collect? Do you in fact own any collectable coins? Have you ever complimented anyone on this board about their coins? Have you ever tried to help anyone on this board/answer a question in a positive manner or are all of your comments negative? Once again I assume I haven't read all of your posts, but all of them that I have read have been negative. Why is that?
Yeah. I post, then I find typos, or things I want to add. Am I allowed to do that? 🤣
As far as sharing goes, thanks for giving me permission, but I already knew I was free to share what I want, when I want.
I answer questions whenever I can. If you find my posts to be negative, it's probably because I'm a miserable human being.
We good now? Is OKC now going to be better than it would have been otherwise?
If I never posted about it, would the OKC WFOM be better than it's now going to be, after my comments? If not, why do you care about whether I post pictures of coins, compliment others' pictures, or express opinions, positive or negative, about whatever moves me?
Why do you think it is your business what I do or don't own? If I own nothing but the shirt on my back, and in fact don't even collect coins, but just post here because it seems like a groovy place to hang out online, would that make OKC a better place to live, or to have a national coin show?
If not, what's the point? Do you think you are making me feel bad, or putting me in my place? You aren't. Do you think you are going to provoke me into posting a picture? You won't.
If my posts offend you, there is an Ignore feature that can spare you, and let you get back to posting pictures of coins, complimenting others, and tending to your duties at the OKC Chamber of Commerce.
@johnny010 said:
Maybe I’m disconnected a bit, but traveling 50% for a living, I don’t see the world falling apart due to a connecting flight. I mean, it’s better than a stage coach.
You're right. The world also won't fall apart if a coin show is skipped.
Dealers have enough hassles traveling around the country with expensive inventory. Connecting flights do not need to be among them. Particularly when there are several opportunities throughout the year that do not involve them.
It's a legitimate concern, no one is required to attend any particular show, and the final attendance tally will show that @PeakRarities's concerns are not unfounded. Particularly when you consider that the issue also impacts members of the public.
Less public attendance at a show translates into less good shows for dealers, magnifying the hassle of traveling in the first place. With or without a connecting flight. Just ask any dealer who attended the last show in Nashville or Tampa whether the squeeze was worth the juice in light of the public attendance.
I'm fully aware that OKC might not have as many direct flights as some locations, but for all you high society folks and other elites, if you live in places such as Miami, Orlando, Chicago, NYC, LA, Denver, Atlanta, Charlotte, Seattle, Nashville, or Vegas just to name a few you shouldn't have any trouble getting a direct flight if that's what you want. Now if the cream of the crop coin dealers all live in Bugtussle or Hooterville that's a different story.
If you say so. I'll wait and see how the attendance shakes out.
I predict many cream of the crop coin dealers will skip the show, regardless of where they are coming from, because if the show turns out to be a bust, it just won't be worth their time and money. And all indications are that OKC is going to draw traffic comparable to the GACC in Tampa or IMEX in Nashville, as opposed to ANA in Rosemont, Pittsburgh or Philadelphia, or FUN in Orlando.
Because a lot of people are going to have no interest in making a trip to OKC in August to look at and buy coins. Lots of other opportunities to visit much more attractive locations during the year.
The fact remains that there is not nearly as much nonstop air service to OKC as you seem to imagine, and the flights that are available are not nearly as well priced as those to many other popular destinations. As though OKC is a popular destination in the first place. Not sure what drove the ANA's decision to pay OKC a visit, but, after the show, you'll see why it wasn't a wise one.
"High society" or not, this is not a "build it and they will come" type of situation. The shows need to be where people want to go. Not the other way around. Because, given the variety of choices throughout the year, absolutely no one needs to go to any one show. Especially if they think it might suck.
There are myriad reasons why OKC is not a hot spot. (I guess, literally, in August it will be a bit of a hot spot. 🤣) The lack of tons of cheap direct flights to many US destinations is but one of them.
LOL, I never said OKC would be a success that is completely out of my control. I just wanted to gig you a bit because you talk a lot, but I've never seen you back anything up. Around here in OKC we call that "all hat no cattle".
I will admit I have probably not read all of your nearly 2,500 posts so I could have missed it, but I have never seen you post a single coin or mention what you actually like to collect. Even more peculiar I have never seen you post a positive or affirming post. All I've ever seen are negative and argumentative posts. It's actually kind of sad.
Case in point, in one of the now deleted VaultBox threads, I actually took your side to which you immediately told me I was wrong. It was both fascinating and absurd all at the same time, and like I said kind of sad.
All good. I like to share my thoughts. Not my collection. If you look hard enough, you'll see many positive, affirming posts. Even some agreeing with those I tend to argue with.
Plenty of "Likes" and "Agrees" as well. The fact remains, as with life in general, that it's the arguments that tend to draw attention.
That said, if OKC being a success is completely out of your control, what are you trying to convey by posting that "all you high society folks and other elites, if you live in places such as Miami, Orlando, Chicago, NYC, LA, Denver, Atlanta, Charlotte, Seattle, Nashville, or Vegas just to name a few you shouldn't have any trouble getting a direct flight if that's what you want"? That they should be ashamed of themselves if OKC is not a success, because OKC is accessible to those truly motivated to make the effort?
Yes, of course it is. Any place is. The point that the WFOM is not a Taylor Swift concert, and the more difficult it is to attend, and the less attractive the location, the fewer hard core collectors will be motivated to make the effort. And dealers really don't need to congregate in OKC in August to trade with themselves.
No offense to you if you call OKC home. I don't consider myself a "high society elite," but OKC is not really an attractive convention location for most of the rest of the country. Notwithstanding the fact that you have professional basketball and some very fine college football.
Why would I say anyone should be ashamed if OKC is not a success or if dealers and/or collectors choose not to attend? That is probably one of the more asinine things you have said, and that's a pretty high bar. Once again I was gigging you. After all I figured a big shot like you had a private jet, so a direct flight shouldn't be a problem. Commercial is for poor people.
Would I like for OKC to be a success, absolutely. As a matter of fact I hope every coin show is a success including GACC and IMEX because it is good for the hobby. However, if the WFoM in OKC falls flat on its face it won't affect me in the slightest or my bottom line unless they start auctioning cattle on the bourse.
Why would the ANA choose a s#%* hole like OKC? I have no idea, I guess someone needs to ask them. Who knows maybe APMEX played a role, they swing a pretty big stick (at least with bullion) and their headquarters are in OKC.
Not really sure how we ended up in the rabbit hole, or how it "gigging me" to say "I'm fully aware that OKC might not have as many direct flights as some locations, but for all you high society folks and other elites, if you live in places such as Miami, Orlando, Chicago, NYC, LA, Denver, Atlanta, Charlotte, Seattle, Nashville, or Vegas just to name a few you shouldn't have any trouble getting a direct flight if that's what you want. Now if the cream of the crop coin dealers all live in Bugtussle or Hooterville that's a different story."
I read it to mean that OKC is easily accessible from lots of places, so inability to get a direct flight is no reason to shun OKC. And I gave you my response.
The fact is, OKC not being a success won't actually affect anyone in the slightest, other than the ANA. And, whatever its motives were for choosing OKC, I am quite sure they went in with their eyes wide open.
It was likely payback to someone for something. And, as I said, the hobby will survive and we will all move on.
Piling on me for calling it as I see it is not going to change anything, or make OKC any better or worse than it is going to be. I seriously doubt a single person who wasn't going to go is going to change their mind based on your posts, or is going to change plans to go based on mine.
So, what exactly is the point of arguing with me when you are not even willing to take the other side?
The point is all you do is argue, and I was simply pointing that out. You are a negative person by nature, which is okay I guess (not really). It just seems like a sad way to go through life.
Once again have you ever posted a picture of a coin on this board? Have you ever stated what you like to collect? Have you ever even complimented someone on their coins or is arguing with people all you do here?
In that case, talk about calling the kettle black. "I'm arguing with you when I don't even believe in the other side as a demonstration of how YOU like to argue." 🤣🤣🤣
No, I've never posted a picture of a coin. So I'm not allowed to share my thoughts. About anything I want. Whenever I so choose. Thanks for setting me straight. 🤣🤣🤣
Good grief, do you edit every post?
You may do whatever you like, I'm not in charge of you. I'm just curious. We've established that you have never posted any pictures of coins. Have you ever posted what types of coins you collect? Do you in fact own any collectable coins? Have you ever complimented anyone on this board about their coins? Have you ever tried to help anyone on this board/answer a question in a positive manner or are all of your comments negative? Once again I assume I haven't read all of your posts, but all of them that I have read have been negative. Why is that?
Yeah. I post, then I find typos, or things I want to add. Am I allowed to do that? 🤣
As far as sharing goes, thanks for giving me permission, but I already knew I was free to share what I want, when I want.
I answer questions whenever I can. If you find my posts to be negative, it's probably because I'm a miserable human being.
We good now? Is OKC now going to be better than it would have been otherwise?
If I never posted about it, would the OKC WFOM be better than it's now going to be, after my comments? If not, why do you care about whether I post pictures of coins, compliment others' pictures, or express opinions, positive or negative, about whatever moves me?
Why do you think it is your business what I do or don't own? If I own nothing but the shirt on my back, and in fact don't even collect coins, but just post here because it seems like a groovy place to hang out online, would that make OKC a better place to live, or to have a national coin show?
If not, what's the point? Do you think you are making me feel bad, or putting me in my place? You aren't. Do you think you are going to provoke me into posting a picture? You won't.
If my posts offend you, there is an Ignore feature that can spare you, and let you get back to posting pictures of coins, complimenting others, and tending to your duties at the OKC Chamber of Commerce.
LOL, at least we agree on one thing. Like I said I'm just bored tonight, and you fascinate me. I don't think there is anyone else on this board as negative as you. 2,500 negative posts, that has to be some kind of record.
@UpGrayedd said:
I'm fully aware that OKC might not have as many direct flights as some locations, but for all you high society folks and other elites, if you live in places such as Miami, Orlando, Chicago, NYC, LA, Denver, Atlanta, Charlotte, Seattle, Nashville, or Vegas just to name a few you shouldn't have any trouble getting a direct flight if that's what you want. Now if the cream of the crop coin dealers all live in Bugtussle or Hooterville that's a different story.
Thanks Burton, that gave me a good chuckle. I didn't even know those were real places, I was just making a Green Acres reference, which is what I assume @NJCoin thinks OKC is like.
@johnny010 said:
Maybe I’m disconnected a bit, but traveling 50% for a living, I don’t see the world falling apart due to a connecting flight. I mean, it’s better than a stage coach.
You're right. The world also won't fall apart if a coin show is skipped.
Dealers have enough hassles traveling around the country with expensive inventory. Connecting flights do not need to be among them. Particularly when there are several opportunities throughout the year that do not involve them.
It's a legitimate concern, no one is required to attend any particular show, and the final attendance tally will show that @PeakRarities's concerns are not unfounded. Particularly when you consider that the issue also impacts members of the public.
Less public attendance at a show translates into less good shows for dealers, magnifying the hassle of traveling in the first place. With or without a connecting flight. Just ask any dealer who attended the last show in Nashville or Tampa whether the squeeze was worth the juice in light of the public attendance.
I'm fully aware that OKC might not have as many direct flights as some locations, but for all you high society folks and other elites, if you live in places such as Miami, Orlando, Chicago, NYC, LA, Denver, Atlanta, Charlotte, Seattle, Nashville, or Vegas just to name a few you shouldn't have any trouble getting a direct flight if that's what you want. Now if the cream of the crop coin dealers all live in Bugtussle or Hooterville that's a different story.
If you say so. I'll wait and see how the attendance shakes out.
I predict many cream of the crop coin dealers will skip the show, regardless of where they are coming from, because if the show turns out to be a bust, it just won't be worth their time and money. And all indications are that OKC is going to draw traffic comparable to the GACC in Tampa or IMEX in Nashville, as opposed to ANA in Rosemont, Pittsburgh or Philadelphia, or FUN in Orlando.
Because a lot of people are going to have no interest in making a trip to OKC in August to look at and buy coins. Lots of other opportunities to visit much more attractive locations during the year.
The fact remains that there is not nearly as much nonstop air service to OKC as you seem to imagine, and the flights that are available are not nearly as well priced as those to many other popular destinations. As though OKC is a popular destination in the first place. Not sure what drove the ANA's decision to pay OKC a visit, but, after the show, you'll see why it wasn't a wise one.
"High society" or not, this is not a "build it and they will come" type of situation. The shows need to be where people want to go. Not the other way around. Because, given the variety of choices throughout the year, absolutely no one needs to go to any one show. Especially if they think it might suck.
There are myriad reasons why OKC is not a hot spot. (I guess, literally, in August it will be a bit of a hot spot. 🤣) The lack of tons of cheap direct flights to many US destinations is but one of them.
LOL, I never said OKC would be a success that is completely out of my control. I just wanted to gig you a bit because you talk a lot, but I've never seen you back anything up. Around here in OKC we call that "all hat no cattle".
I will admit I have probably not read all of your nearly 2,500 posts so I could have missed it, but I have never seen you post a single coin or mention what you actually like to collect. Even more peculiar I have never seen you post a positive or affirming post. All I've ever seen are negative and argumentative posts. It's actually kind of sad.
Case in point, in one of the now deleted VaultBox threads, I actually took your side to which you immediately told me I was wrong. It was both fascinating and absurd all at the same time, and like I said kind of sad.
All good. I like to share my thoughts. Not my collection. If you look hard enough, you'll see many positive, affirming posts. Even some agreeing with those I tend to argue with.
Plenty of "Likes" and "Agrees" as well. The fact remains, as with life in general, that it's the arguments that tend to draw attention.
That said, if OKC being a success is completely out of your control, what are you trying to convey by posting that "all you high society folks and other elites, if you live in places such as Miami, Orlando, Chicago, NYC, LA, Denver, Atlanta, Charlotte, Seattle, Nashville, or Vegas just to name a few you shouldn't have any trouble getting a direct flight if that's what you want"? That they should be ashamed of themselves if OKC is not a success, because OKC is accessible to those truly motivated to make the effort?
Yes, of course it is. Any place is. The point that the WFOM is not a Taylor Swift concert, and the more difficult it is to attend, and the less attractive the location, the fewer hard core collectors will be motivated to make the effort. And dealers really don't need to congregate in OKC in August to trade with themselves.
No offense to you if you call OKC home. I don't consider myself a "high society elite," but OKC is not really an attractive convention location for most of the rest of the country. Notwithstanding the fact that you have professional basketball and some very fine college football.
Why would I say anyone should be ashamed if OKC is not a success or if dealers and/or collectors choose not to attend? That is probably one of the more asinine things you have said, and that's a pretty high bar. Once again I was gigging you. After all I figured a big shot like you had a private jet, so a direct flight shouldn't be a problem. Commercial is for poor people.
Would I like for OKC to be a success, absolutely. As a matter of fact I hope every coin show is a success including GACC and IMEX because it is good for the hobby. However, if the WFoM in OKC falls flat on its face it won't affect me in the slightest or my bottom line unless they start auctioning cattle on the bourse.
Why would the ANA choose a s#%* hole like OKC? I have no idea, I guess someone needs to ask them. Who knows maybe APMEX played a role, they swing a pretty big stick (at least with bullion) and their headquarters are in OKC.
Not really sure how we ended up in the rabbit hole, or how it "gigging me" to say "I'm fully aware that OKC might not have as many direct flights as some locations, but for all you high society folks and other elites, if you live in places such as Miami, Orlando, Chicago, NYC, LA, Denver, Atlanta, Charlotte, Seattle, Nashville, or Vegas just to name a few you shouldn't have any trouble getting a direct flight if that's what you want. Now if the cream of the crop coin dealers all live in Bugtussle or Hooterville that's a different story."
I read it to mean that OKC is easily accessible from lots of places, so inability to get a direct flight is no reason to shun OKC. And I gave you my response.
The fact is, OKC not being a success won't actually affect anyone in the slightest, other than the ANA. And, whatever its motives were for choosing OKC, I am quite sure they went in with their eyes wide open.
It was likely payback to someone for something. And, as I said, the hobby will survive and we will all move on.
Piling on me for calling it as I see it is not going to change anything, or make OKC any better or worse than it is going to be. I seriously doubt a single person who wasn't going to go is going to change their mind based on your posts, or is going to change plans to go based on mine.
So, what exactly is the point of arguing with me when you are not even willing to take the other side?
The point is all you do is argue, and I was simply pointing that out. You are a negative person by nature, which is okay I guess (not really). It just seems like a sad way to go through life.
Once again have you ever posted a picture of a coin on this board? Have you ever stated what you like to collect? Have you ever even complimented someone on their coins or is arguing with people all you do here?
In that case, talk about calling the kettle black. "I'm arguing with you when I don't even believe in the other side as a demonstration of how YOU like to argue." 🤣🤣🤣
No, I've never posted a picture of a coin. So I'm not allowed to share my thoughts. About anything I want. Whenever I so choose. Thanks for setting me straight. 🤣🤣🤣
Good grief, do you edit every post?
You may do whatever you like, I'm not in charge of you. I'm just curious. We've established that you have never posted any pictures of coins. Have you ever posted what types of coins you collect? Do you in fact own any collectable coins? Have you ever complimented anyone on this board about their coins? Have you ever tried to help anyone on this board/answer a question in a positive manner or are all of your comments negative? Once again I assume I haven't read all of your posts, but all of them that I have read have been negative. Why is that?
Yeah. I post, then I find typos, or things I want to add. Am I allowed to do that? 🤣
As far as sharing goes, thanks for giving me permission, but I already knew I was free to share what I want, when I want.
I answer questions whenever I can. If you find my posts to be negative, it's probably because I'm a miserable human being.
We good now? Is OKC now going to be better than it would have been otherwise?
If I never posted about it, would the OKC WFOM be better than it's now going to be, after my comments? If not, why do you care about whether I post pictures of coins, compliment others' pictures, or express opinions, positive or negative, about whatever moves me?
Why do you think it is your business what I do or don't own? If I own nothing but the shirt on my back, and in fact don't even collect coins, but just post here because it seems like a groovy place to hang out online, would that make OKC a better place to live, or to have a national coin show?
If not, what's the point? Do you think you are making me feel bad, or putting me in my place? You aren't. Do you think you are going to provoke me into posting a picture? You won't.
If my posts offend you, there is an Ignore feature that can spare you, and let you get back to posting pictures of coins, complimenting others, and tending to your duties at the OKC Chamber of Commerce.
LOL, at least we agree on one thing. Like I said I'm just bored tonight, and you fascinate me. I don't think there is anyone else on this board as negative as you. 2,500 negative posts, that has to be some kind of record.
I think we also agree that OKC is going to be a bust. 😀
@johnny010 said:
Maybe I’m disconnected a bit, but traveling 50% for a living, I don’t see the world falling apart due to a connecting flight. I mean, it’s better than a stage coach.
You're right. The world also won't fall apart if a coin show is skipped.
Dealers have enough hassles traveling around the country with expensive inventory. Connecting flights do not need to be among them. Particularly when there are several opportunities throughout the year that do not involve them.
It's a legitimate concern, no one is required to attend any particular show, and the final attendance tally will show that @PeakRarities's concerns are not unfounded. Particularly when you consider that the issue also impacts members of the public.
Less public attendance at a show translates into less good shows for dealers, magnifying the hassle of traveling in the first place. With or without a connecting flight. Just ask any dealer who attended the last show in Nashville or Tampa whether the squeeze was worth the juice in light of the public attendance.
I'm fully aware that OKC might not have as many direct flights as some locations, but for all you high society folks and other elites, if you live in places such as Miami, Orlando, Chicago, NYC, LA, Denver, Atlanta, Charlotte, Seattle, Nashville, or Vegas just to name a few you shouldn't have any trouble getting a direct flight if that's what you want. Now if the cream of the crop coin dealers all live in Bugtussle or Hooterville that's a different story.
If you say so. I'll wait and see how the attendance shakes out.
I predict many cream of the crop coin dealers will skip the show, regardless of where they are coming from, because if the show turns out to be a bust, it just won't be worth their time and money. And all indications are that OKC is going to draw traffic comparable to the GACC in Tampa or IMEX in Nashville, as opposed to ANA in Rosemont, Pittsburgh or Philadelphia, or FUN in Orlando.
Because a lot of people are going to have no interest in making a trip to OKC in August to look at and buy coins. Lots of other opportunities to visit much more attractive locations during the year.
The fact remains that there is not nearly as much nonstop air service to OKC as you seem to imagine, and the flights that are available are not nearly as well priced as those to many other popular destinations. As though OKC is a popular destination in the first place. Not sure what drove the ANA's decision to pay OKC a visit, but, after the show, you'll see why it wasn't a wise one.
"High society" or not, this is not a "build it and they will come" type of situation. The shows need to be where people want to go. Not the other way around. Because, given the variety of choices throughout the year, absolutely no one needs to go to any one show. Especially if they think it might suck.
There are myriad reasons why OKC is not a hot spot. (I guess, literally, in August it will be a bit of a hot spot. 🤣) The lack of tons of cheap direct flights to many US destinations is but one of them.
LOL, I never said OKC would be a success that is completely out of my control. I just wanted to gig you a bit because you talk a lot, but I've never seen you back anything up. Around here in OKC we call that "all hat no cattle".
I will admit I have probably not read all of your nearly 2,500 posts so I could have missed it, but I have never seen you post a single coin or mention what you actually like to collect. Even more peculiar I have never seen you post a positive or affirming post. All I've ever seen are negative and argumentative posts. It's actually kind of sad.
Case in point, in one of the now deleted VaultBox threads, I actually took your side to which you immediately told me I was wrong. It was both fascinating and absurd all at the same time, and like I said kind of sad.
All good. I like to share my thoughts. Not my collection. If you look hard enough, you'll see many positive, affirming posts. Even some agreeing with those I tend to argue with.
Plenty of "Likes" and "Agrees" as well. The fact remains, as with life in general, that it's the arguments that tend to draw attention.
That said, if OKC being a success is completely out of your control, what are you trying to convey by posting that "all you high society folks and other elites, if you live in places such as Miami, Orlando, Chicago, NYC, LA, Denver, Atlanta, Charlotte, Seattle, Nashville, or Vegas just to name a few you shouldn't have any trouble getting a direct flight if that's what you want"? That they should be ashamed of themselves if OKC is not a success, because OKC is accessible to those truly motivated to make the effort?
Yes, of course it is. Any place is. The point that the WFOM is not a Taylor Swift concert, and the more difficult it is to attend, and the less attractive the location, the fewer hard core collectors will be motivated to make the effort. And dealers really don't need to congregate in OKC in August to trade with themselves.
No offense to you if you call OKC home. I don't consider myself a "high society elite," but OKC is not really an attractive convention location for most of the rest of the country. Notwithstanding the fact that you have professional basketball and some very fine college football.
Why would I say anyone should be ashamed if OKC is not a success or if dealers and/or collectors choose not to attend? That is probably one of the more asinine things you have said, and that's a pretty high bar. Once again I was gigging you. After all I figured a big shot like you had a private jet, so a direct flight shouldn't be a problem. Commercial is for poor people.
Would I like for OKC to be a success, absolutely. As a matter of fact I hope every coin show is a success including GACC and IMEX because it is good for the hobby. However, if the WFoM in OKC falls flat on its face it won't affect me in the slightest or my bottom line unless they start auctioning cattle on the bourse.
Why would the ANA choose a s#%* hole like OKC? I have no idea, I guess someone needs to ask them. Who knows maybe APMEX played a role, they swing a pretty big stick (at least with bullion) and their headquarters are in OKC.
Not really sure how we ended up in the rabbit hole, or how it "gigging me" to say "I'm fully aware that OKC might not have as many direct flights as some locations, but for all you high society folks and other elites, if you live in places such as Miami, Orlando, Chicago, NYC, LA, Denver, Atlanta, Charlotte, Seattle, Nashville, or Vegas just to name a few you shouldn't have any trouble getting a direct flight if that's what you want. Now if the cream of the crop coin dealers all live in Bugtussle or Hooterville that's a different story."
I read it to mean that OKC is easily accessible from lots of places, so inability to get a direct flight is no reason to shun OKC. And I gave you my response.
The fact is, OKC not being a success won't actually affect anyone in the slightest, other than the ANA. And, whatever its motives were for choosing OKC, I am quite sure they went in with their eyes wide open.
It was likely payback to someone for something. And, as I said, the hobby will survive and we will all move on.
Piling on me for calling it as I see it is not going to change anything, or make OKC any better or worse than it is going to be. I seriously doubt a single person who wasn't going to go is going to change their mind based on your posts, or is going to change plans to go based on mine.
So, what exactly is the point of arguing with me when you are not even willing to take the other side?
The point is all you do is argue, and I was simply pointing that out. You are a negative person by nature, which is okay I guess (not really). It just seems like a sad way to go through life.
Once again have you ever posted a picture of a coin on this board? Have you ever stated what you like to collect? Have you ever even complimented someone on their coins or is arguing with people all you do here?
In that case, talk about calling the kettle black. "I'm arguing with you when I don't even believe in the other side as a demonstration of how YOU like to argue." 🤣🤣🤣
No, I've never posted a picture of a coin. So I'm not allowed to share my thoughts. About anything I want. Whenever I so choose. Thanks for setting me straight. 🤣🤣🤣
Good grief, do you edit every post?
You may do whatever you like, I'm not in charge of you. I'm just curious. We've established that you have never posted any pictures of coins. Have you ever posted what types of coins you collect? Do you in fact own any collectable coins? Have you ever complimented anyone on this board about their coins? Have you ever tried to help anyone on this board/answer a question in a positive manner or are all of your comments negative? Once again I assume I haven't read all of your posts, but all of them that I have read have been negative. Why is that?
Yeah. I post, then I find typos, or things I want to add. Am I allowed to do that? 🤣
As far as sharing goes, thanks for giving me permission, but I already knew I was free to share what I want, when I want.
I answer questions whenever I can. If you find my posts to be negative, it's probably because I'm a miserable human being.
We good now? Is OKC now going to be better than it would have been otherwise?
If I never posted about it, would the OKC WFOM be better than it's now going to be, after my comments? If not, why do you care about whether I post pictures of coins, compliment others' pictures, or express opinions, positive or negative, about whatever moves me?
Why do you think it is your business what I do or don't own? If I own nothing but the shirt on my back, and in fact don't even collect coins, but just post here because it seems like a groovy place to hang out online, would that make OKC a better place to live, or to have a national coin show?
If not, what's the point? Do you think you are making me feel bad, or putting me in my place? You aren't. Do you think you are going to provoke me into posting a picture? You won't.
If my posts offend you, there is an Ignore feature that can spare you, and let you get back to posting pictures of coins, complimenting others, and tending to your duties at the OKC Chamber of Commerce.
LOL, at least we agree on one thing. Like I said I'm just bored tonight, and you fascinate me. I don't think there is anyone else on this board as negative as you. 2,500 negative posts, that has to be some kind of record.
I think we also agree that OKC is going to be a bust. 😀
I never said that, y quien sabe. All I said was that I have no control over it, but if your wish does come true it won't really affect me. However, I want OKC to be a success. I want GACC to be a success. I want IMEX to be a success, because it is good for the hobby.
@johnny010 said:
Maybe I’m disconnected a bit, but traveling 50% for a living, I don’t see the world falling apart due to a connecting flight. I mean, it’s better than a stage coach.
You're right. The world also won't fall apart if a coin show is skipped.
Dealers have enough hassles traveling around the country with expensive inventory. Connecting flights do not need to be among them. Particularly when there are several opportunities throughout the year that do not involve them.
It's a legitimate concern, no one is required to attend any particular show, and the final attendance tally will show that @PeakRarities's concerns are not unfounded. Particularly when you consider that the issue also impacts members of the public.
Less public attendance at a show translates into less good shows for dealers, magnifying the hassle of traveling in the first place. With or without a connecting flight. Just ask any dealer who attended the last show in Nashville or Tampa whether the squeeze was worth the juice in light of the public attendance.
I'm fully aware that OKC might not have as many direct flights as some locations, but for all you high society folks and other elites, if you live in places such as Miami, Orlando, Chicago, NYC, LA, Denver, Atlanta, Charlotte, Seattle, Nashville, or Vegas just to name a few you shouldn't have any trouble getting a direct flight if that's what you want. Now if the cream of the crop coin dealers all live in Bugtussle or Hooterville that's a different story.
If you say so. I'll wait and see how the attendance shakes out.
I predict many cream of the crop coin dealers will skip the show, regardless of where they are coming from, because if the show turns out to be a bust, it just won't be worth their time and money. And all indications are that OKC is going to draw traffic comparable to the GACC in Tampa or IMEX in Nashville, as opposed to ANA in Rosemont, Pittsburgh or Philadelphia, or FUN in Orlando.
Because a lot of people are going to have no interest in making a trip to OKC in August to look at and buy coins. Lots of other opportunities to visit much more attractive locations during the year.
The fact remains that there is not nearly as much nonstop air service to OKC as you seem to imagine, and the flights that are available are not nearly as well priced as those to many other popular destinations. As though OKC is a popular destination in the first place. Not sure what drove the ANA's decision to pay OKC a visit, but, after the show, you'll see why it wasn't a wise one.
"High society" or not, this is not a "build it and they will come" type of situation. The shows need to be where people want to go. Not the other way around. Because, given the variety of choices throughout the year, absolutely no one needs to go to any one show. Especially if they think it might suck.
There are myriad reasons why OKC is not a hot spot. (I guess, literally, in August it will be a bit of a hot spot. 🤣) The lack of tons of cheap direct flights to many US destinations is but one of them.
LOL, I never said OKC would be a success that is completely out of my control. I just wanted to gig you a bit because you talk a lot, but I've never seen you back anything up. Around here in OKC we call that "all hat no cattle".
I will admit I have probably not read all of your nearly 2,500 posts so I could have missed it, but I have never seen you post a single coin or mention what you actually like to collect. Even more peculiar I have never seen you post a positive or affirming post. All I've ever seen are negative and argumentative posts. It's actually kind of sad.
Case in point, in one of the now deleted VaultBox threads, I actually took your side to which you immediately told me I was wrong. It was both fascinating and absurd all at the same time, and like I said kind of sad.
All good. I like to share my thoughts. Not my collection. If you look hard enough, you'll see many positive, affirming posts. Even some agreeing with those I tend to argue with.
Plenty of "Likes" and "Agrees" as well. The fact remains, as with life in general, that it's the arguments that tend to draw attention.
That said, if OKC being a success is completely out of your control, what are you trying to convey by posting that "all you high society folks and other elites, if you live in places such as Miami, Orlando, Chicago, NYC, LA, Denver, Atlanta, Charlotte, Seattle, Nashville, or Vegas just to name a few you shouldn't have any trouble getting a direct flight if that's what you want"? That they should be ashamed of themselves if OKC is not a success, because OKC is accessible to those truly motivated to make the effort?
Yes, of course it is. Any place is. The point that the WFOM is not a Taylor Swift concert, and the more difficult it is to attend, and the less attractive the location, the fewer hard core collectors will be motivated to make the effort. And dealers really don't need to congregate in OKC in August to trade with themselves.
No offense to you if you call OKC home. I don't consider myself a "high society elite," but OKC is not really an attractive convention location for most of the rest of the country. Notwithstanding the fact that you have professional basketball and some very fine college football.
Why would I say anyone should be ashamed if OKC is not a success or if dealers and/or collectors choose not to attend? That is probably one of the more asinine things you have said, and that's a pretty high bar. Once again I was gigging you. After all I figured a big shot like you had a private jet, so a direct flight shouldn't be a problem. Commercial is for poor people.
Would I like for OKC to be a success, absolutely. As a matter of fact I hope every coin show is a success including GACC and IMEX because it is good for the hobby. However, if the WFoM in OKC falls flat on its face it won't affect me in the slightest or my bottom line unless they start auctioning cattle on the bourse.
Why would the ANA choose a s#%* hole like OKC? I have no idea, I guess someone needs to ask them. Who knows maybe APMEX played a role, they swing a pretty big stick (at least with bullion) and their headquarters are in OKC.
Not really sure how we ended up in the rabbit hole, or how it "gigging me" to say "I'm fully aware that OKC might not have as many direct flights as some locations, but for all you high society folks and other elites, if you live in places such as Miami, Orlando, Chicago, NYC, LA, Denver, Atlanta, Charlotte, Seattle, Nashville, or Vegas just to name a few you shouldn't have any trouble getting a direct flight if that's what you want. Now if the cream of the crop coin dealers all live in Bugtussle or Hooterville that's a different story."
I read it to mean that OKC is easily accessible from lots of places, so inability to get a direct flight is no reason to shun OKC. And I gave you my response.
The fact is, OKC not being a success won't actually affect anyone in the slightest, other than the ANA. And, whatever its motives were for choosing OKC, I am quite sure they went in with their eyes wide open.
It was likely payback to someone for something. And, as I said, the hobby will survive and we will all move on.
Piling on me for calling it as I see it is not going to change anything, or make OKC any better or worse than it is going to be. I seriously doubt a single person who wasn't going to go is going to change their mind based on your posts, or is going to change plans to go based on mine.
So, what exactly is the point of arguing with me when you are not even willing to take the other side?
The point is all you do is argue, and I was simply pointing that out. You are a negative person by nature, which is okay I guess (not really). It just seems like a sad way to go through life.
Once again have you ever posted a picture of a coin on this board? Have you ever stated what you like to collect? Have you ever even complimented someone on their coins or is arguing with people all you do here?
In that case, talk about calling the kettle black. "I'm arguing with you when I don't even believe in the other side as a demonstration of how YOU like to argue." 🤣🤣🤣
No, I've never posted a picture of a coin. So I'm not allowed to share my thoughts. About anything I want. Whenever I so choose. Thanks for setting me straight. 🤣🤣🤣
Good grief, do you edit every post?
You may do whatever you like, I'm not in charge of you. I'm just curious. We've established that you have never posted any pictures of coins. Have you ever posted what types of coins you collect? Do you in fact own any collectable coins? Have you ever complimented anyone on this board about their coins? Have you ever tried to help anyone on this board/answer a question in a positive manner or are all of your comments negative? Once again I assume I haven't read all of your posts, but all of them that I have read have been negative. Why is that?
Yeah. I post, then I find typos, or things I want to add. Am I allowed to do that? 🤣
As far as sharing goes, thanks for giving me permission, but I already knew I was free to share what I want, when I want.
I answer questions whenever I can. If you find my posts to be negative, it's probably because I'm a miserable human being.
We good now? Is OKC now going to be better than it would have been otherwise?
If I never posted about it, would the OKC WFOM be better than it's now going to be, after my comments? If not, why do you care about whether I post pictures of coins, compliment others' pictures, or express opinions, positive or negative, about whatever moves me?
Why do you think it is your business what I do or don't own? If I own nothing but the shirt on my back, and in fact don't even collect coins, but just post here because it seems like a groovy place to hang out online, would that make OKC a better place to live, or to have a national coin show?
If not, what's the point? Do you think you are making me feel bad, or putting me in my place? You aren't. Do you think you are going to provoke me into posting a picture? You won't.
If my posts offend you, there is an Ignore feature that can spare you, and let you get back to posting pictures of coins, complimenting others, and tending to your duties at the OKC Chamber of Commerce.
LOL, at least we agree on one thing. Like I said I'm just bored tonight, and you fascinate me. I don't think there is anyone else on this board as negative as you. 2,500 negative posts, that has to be some kind of record.
I think we also agree that OKC is going to be a bust. 😀
I never said that, y quien sabe. All I said was that I have no control over it, but if your wish does come true it won't really affect me. However, I want OKC to be a success. I want GACC to be a success. I want IMEX to be a success, because it is good for the hobby.
Yes, yes, yes. Everyone wants. But what do you think?
I think it's going to suck. I don't wish it, I think it. And you are going to great pains to not disagree. I got it.
It's deliberate to generate clicks and make sure the viewer stays engaged once hitting the webpage for at least 10-12 seconds, if not longer. I often see discrepancies between the headline or opening sentence and the body of the article.
I have been to several shows in the Oklahoma City area pre and post COVID. Regional shows, yes, but - from a collector perspective - very successful never-the-less.
-----Burton ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
@BStrauss3 said:
I have been to several shows in the Oklahoma City area pre and post COVID. Regional shows, yes, but - from a collector perspective - very successful never-the-less.
Which is fine, for a regional show. There are regional shows all the time, all over the country.
The fact is that they are a very different animal from a national show. If the WFOM in any way resembles one of your successful regional shows, it will be a huge fail.
Don't get me wrong -- if you only have to travel 15 minutes to get there, have no expenses related to accommodations, and see more than 50 dealers there, you will be thrilled.
OTOH, if the ANA cannot draw at least around 5K members of the public over 5 days, it will be bust from their perspective, and from the perspective of whatever dealers make the trip from all over the country. Simply because there are several other locations in the country where they can have the show during the same period of time and attract at least that number of attendees.
That's the difference between a national show, a regional show, and a local show. Cost and scale.
OKC is going to cost a lot for many people to get to, since it's not within driving distance of a critical mass of collectors and dealers. It's also going to cost a lot for the ANA to produce, as it always does.
And then it's not going to achieve scale, because a lot of people are going to take a pass. That will constitute a fail, even if for locals like you and @UpGrayedd it turns out to be the best regional show ever.
@johnny010 said:
Maybe I’m disconnected a bit, but traveling 50% for a living, I don’t see the world falling apart due to a connecting flight. I mean, it’s better than a stage coach.
You're right. The world also won't fall apart if a coin show is skipped.
Dealers have enough hassles traveling around the country with expensive inventory. Connecting flights do not need to be among them. Particularly when there are several opportunities throughout the year that do not involve them.
It's a legitimate concern, no one is required to attend any particular show, and the final attendance tally will show that @PeakRarities's concerns are not unfounded. Particularly when you consider that the issue also impacts members of the public.
Less public attendance at a show translates into less good shows for dealers, magnifying the hassle of traveling in the first place. With or without a connecting flight. Just ask any dealer who attended the last show in Nashville or Tampa whether the squeeze was worth the juice in light of the public attendance.
I'm fully aware that OKC might not have as many direct flights as some locations, but for all you high society folks and other elites, if you live in places such as Miami, Orlando, Chicago, NYC, LA, Denver, Atlanta, Charlotte, Seattle, Nashville, or Vegas just to name a few you shouldn't have any trouble getting a direct flight if that's what you want. Now if the cream of the crop coin dealers all live in Bugtussle or Hooterville that's a different story.
If you say so. I'll wait and see how the attendance shakes out.
I predict many cream of the crop coin dealers will skip the show, regardless of where they are coming from, because if the show turns out to be a bust, it just won't be worth their time and money. And all indications are that OKC is going to draw traffic comparable to the GACC in Tampa or IMEX in Nashville, as opposed to ANA in Rosemont, Pittsburgh or Philadelphia, or FUN in Orlando.
Because a lot of people are going to have no interest in making a trip to OKC in August to look at and buy coins. Lots of other opportunities to visit much more attractive locations during the year.
The fact remains that there is not nearly as much nonstop air service to OKC as you seem to imagine, and the flights that are available are not nearly as well priced as those to many other popular destinations. As though OKC is a popular destination in the first place. Not sure what drove the ANA's decision to pay OKC a visit, but, after the show, you'll see why it wasn't a wise one.
"High society" or not, this is not a "build it and they will come" type of situation. The shows need to be where people want to go. Not the other way around. Because, given the variety of choices throughout the year, absolutely no one needs to go to any one show. Especially if they think it might suck.
There are myriad reasons why OKC is not a hot spot. (I guess, literally, in August it will be a bit of a hot spot. 🤣) The lack of tons of cheap direct flights to many US destinations is but one of them.
LOL, I never said OKC would be a success that is completely out of my control. I just wanted to gig you a bit because you talk a lot, but I've never seen you back anything up. Around here in OKC we call that "all hat no cattle".
I will admit I have probably not read all of your nearly 2,500 posts so I could have missed it, but I have never seen you post a single coin or mention what you actually like to collect. Even more peculiar I have never seen you post a positive or affirming post. All I've ever seen are negative and argumentative posts. It's actually kind of sad.
Case in point, in one of the now deleted VaultBox threads, I actually took your side to which you immediately told me I was wrong. It was both fascinating and absurd all at the same time, and like I said kind of sad.
All good. I like to share my thoughts. Not my collection. If you look hard enough, you'll see many positive, affirming posts. Even some agreeing with those I tend to argue with.
Plenty of "Likes" and "Agrees" as well. The fact remains, as with life in general, that it's the arguments that tend to draw attention.
That said, if OKC being a success is completely out of your control, what are you trying to convey by posting that "all you high society folks and other elites, if you live in places such as Miami, Orlando, Chicago, NYC, LA, Denver, Atlanta, Charlotte, Seattle, Nashville, or Vegas just to name a few you shouldn't have any trouble getting a direct flight if that's what you want"? That they should be ashamed of themselves if OKC is not a success, because OKC is accessible to those truly motivated to make the effort?
Yes, of course it is. Any place is. The point that the WFOM is not a Taylor Swift concert, and the more difficult it is to attend, and the less attractive the location, the fewer hard core collectors will be motivated to make the effort. And dealers really don't need to congregate in OKC in August to trade with themselves.
No offense to you if you call OKC home. I don't consider myself a "high society elite," but OKC is not really an attractive convention location for most of the rest of the country. Notwithstanding the fact that you have professional basketball and some very fine college football.
Why would I say anyone should be ashamed if OKC is not a success or if dealers and/or collectors choose not to attend? That is probably one of the more asinine things you have said, and that's a pretty high bar. Once again I was gigging you. After all I figured a big shot like you had a private jet, so a direct flight shouldn't be a problem. Commercial is for poor people.
Would I like for OKC to be a success, absolutely. As a matter of fact I hope every coin show is a success including GACC and IMEX because it is good for the hobby. However, if the WFoM in OKC falls flat on its face it won't affect me in the slightest or my bottom line unless they start auctioning cattle on the bourse.
Why would the ANA choose a s#%* hole like OKC? I have no idea, I guess someone needs to ask them. Who knows maybe APMEX played a role, they swing a pretty big stick (at least with bullion) and their headquarters are in OKC.
Not really sure how we ended up in the rabbit hole, or how it "gigging me" to say "I'm fully aware that OKC might not have as many direct flights as some locations, but for all you high society folks and other elites, if you live in places such as Miami, Orlando, Chicago, NYC, LA, Denver, Atlanta, Charlotte, Seattle, Nashville, or Vegas just to name a few you shouldn't have any trouble getting a direct flight if that's what you want. Now if the cream of the crop coin dealers all live in Bugtussle or Hooterville that's a different story."
I read it to mean that OKC is easily accessible from lots of places, so inability to get a direct flight is no reason to shun OKC. And I gave you my response.
The fact is, OKC not being a success won't actually affect anyone in the slightest, other than the ANA. And, whatever its motives were for choosing OKC, I am quite sure they went in with their eyes wide open.
It was likely payback to someone for something. And, as I said, the hobby will survive and we will all move on.
Piling on me for calling it as I see it is not going to change anything, or make OKC any better or worse than it is going to be. I seriously doubt a single person who wasn't going to go is going to change their mind based on your posts, or is going to change plans to go based on mine.
So, what exactly is the point of arguing with me when you are not even willing to take the other side?
The point is all you do is argue, and I was simply pointing that out. You are a negative person by nature, which is okay I guess (not really). It just seems like a sad way to go through life.
Once again have you ever posted a picture of a coin on this board? Have you ever stated what you like to collect? Have you ever even complimented someone on their coins or is arguing with people all you do here?
In that case, talk about calling the kettle black. "I'm arguing with you when I don't even believe in the other side as a demonstration of how YOU like to argue." 🤣🤣🤣
No, I've never posted a picture of a coin. So I'm not allowed to share my thoughts. About anything I want. Whenever I so choose. Thanks for setting me straight. 🤣🤣🤣
Good grief, do you edit every post?
You may do whatever you like, I'm not in charge of you. I'm just curious. We've established that you have never posted any pictures of coins. Have you ever posted what types of coins you collect? Do you in fact own any collectable coins? Have you ever complimented anyone on this board about their coins? Have you ever tried to help anyone on this board/answer a question in a positive manner or are all of your comments negative? Once again I assume I haven't read all of your posts, but all of them that I have read have been negative. Why is that?
Yeah. I post, then I find typos, or things I want to add. Am I allowed to do that? 🤣
As far as sharing goes, thanks for giving me permission, but I already knew I was free to share what I want, when I want.
I answer questions whenever I can. If you find my posts to be negative, it's probably because I'm a miserable human being.
We good now? Is OKC now going to be better than it would have been otherwise?
If I never posted about it, would the OKC WFOM be better than it's now going to be, after my comments? If not, why do you care about whether I post pictures of coins, compliment others' pictures, or express opinions, positive or negative, about whatever moves me?
Why do you think it is your business what I do or don't own? If I own nothing but the shirt on my back, and in fact don't even collect coins, but just post here because it seems like a groovy place to hang out online, would that make OKC a better place to live, or to have a national coin show?
If not, what's the point? Do you think you are making me feel bad, or putting me in my place? You aren't. Do you think you are going to provoke me into posting a picture? You won't.
If my posts offend you, there is an Ignore feature that can spare you, and let you get back to posting pictures of coins, complimenting others, and tending to your duties at the OKC Chamber of Commerce.
LOL, at least we agree on one thing. Like I said I'm just bored tonight, and you fascinate me. I don't think there is anyone else on this board as negative as you. 2,500 negative posts, that has to be some kind of record.
I think we also agree that OKC is going to be a bust. 😀
I never said that, y quien sabe. All I said was that I have no control over it, but if your wish does come true it won't really affect me. However, I want OKC to be a success. I want GACC to be a success. I want IMEX to be a success, because it is good for the hobby.
Yes, yes, yes. Everyone wants. But what do you think?
I think it's going to suck. I don't wish it, I think it. And you are going to great pains to not disagree. I got it.
I have no idea nor any control on whether or not OKC will be a success so I'm not going to go out on a limb and say it will be, that would be stupid. There are a lot of factors beyond just the location city and airports that can affect the success of a show. Chief among them is the economy. Beef prices are high so I'm actually doing quite well, but for a lot of folks the economy sucks right now and doesn't really look to be getting any better, regardless of what the politicians tell you.
I don't actually live in OKC (not much ranch land in the city), but if you're trying to get me to admit that OKC isn't on most people's bucket list as a travel destination you got me (but I doubt New Jersey is either so who cares).
With that said, OKC has it's own charm. If you like Native American culture, the First Americans Museum is top notch. If you like James Earle Fraser and/or western heritage the National Cowboy & Western Heritage Museum is a must.
If you like more "fine art" the OKC Museum of Art has a great Dale Chihuly exhibit. OKC also has some of the best steakhouses in the country if that's your thing. However, at the end of the day none of that really matters, because my main objective was never to promote OKC. As I already said, I was just bored, you rubbed me the wrong way, and I wanted to point out how negative you are about EVERYTHING.
@PCGS_Hy
Might not be the most pressing of issues but the PCGS show schedule still shows the GACC Ft L. show. As per their Press Room it has been canceled.
@BStrauss3 said:
I have been to several shows in the Oklahoma City area pre and post COVID. Regional shows, yes, but - from a collector perspective - very successful never-the-less.
Which is fine, for a regional show. There are regional shows all the time, all over the country.
The fact is that they are a very different animal from a national show. If the WFOM in any way resembles one of your successful regional shows, it will be a huge fail.
Don't get me wrong -- if you only have to travel 15 minutes to get there, have no expenses related to accommodations, and see more than 50 dealers there, you will be thrilled.
OTOH, if the ANA cannot draw at least around 5K members of the public over 5 days, it will be bust from their perspective, and from the perspective of whatever dealers make the trip from all over the country. Simply because there are several other locations in the country where they can have the show during the same period of time and attract at least that number of attendees.
That's the difference between a national show, a regional show, and a local show. Cost and scale.
OKC is going to cost a lot for many people to get to, since it's not within driving distance of a critical mass of collectors and dealers. It's also going to cost a lot for the ANA to produce, as it always does.
And then it's not going to achieve scale, because a lot of people are going to take a pass. That will constitute a fail, even if for locals like you and @UpGrayedd it turns out to be the best regional show ever.
NJCoin, how many of these shows have you actually attended? Have you sent us an email of your questions and concerns for our last show? You are more than welcome to come by our table at FUN #856 to voice your concerns. > @NJCoin said:
@yspsales said:
How much does local attendance go into promotion decisions?
Surely they have an expectation based on past shows.
FUN success in January can't be all from a numismatic Woodstock of sorts.
"Local" attendance? All a promoter cares about is total attendance.
FUN success actually is from a "numismatic Woodstock of sorts." It's an ideal location at an ideal time of the year, and collectors and dealers do indeed flock to it from all over the country.
California certainly has a critical mass of local numismatists, but shows there tend to suck because they have a difficult time drawing from outside the West Coast. If a promoter could get 5-10K people from a local area to attend a show, it would be one of the best shows in the country, without a single person from outside the area.
The fact is that simply does not happen. So, again, promoters are agnostic with respect to where attendance comes from, but they must be cognizant of the fact that local attendance alone will not support anything other than a local show.
So local attendance is important for the local monthly whatever show, but means pretty much nothing at all for a national show, as GACC aspires to be. Which is precisely why Ft. Lauderdale is cancelled, even though there would certainly be strong local attendance for such a show.
After seeing what happened in Tampa, and realizing FUN already runs two very decent shows in Florida, the promoters likely realized that there is no national market for a spring show in the state. Ft. Lauderdale, Tampa, Orlando, Key West, Jacksonville, wherever.
So they are staking their claim in Rosemont, hoping to pick up everyone who would otherwise go to the WFOM, but won't make the trip to OKC. I don't think they are going to be any more successful than they were in Tampa, because the draw in Rosemont is the ANA as well as the location, not merely the lovely convention center.
NJCoin, how many of these shows have you actually attended? Have you sent us an email of your questions and concerns for our last show? You are more than welcome to come by our table at FUN #856 to voice your concerns. Many of your posts do not include the correct information and are just assumptions on our decision.
@PeakRarities said:
To be honest, I really, really, do NOT want to have to go to OKC and would love for the Rosemont GACC to take their place in such a convenient venue. Since virtually everyone will be unable to get a direct flight, I could see that being a substantial problem for all of us here in the US, and a colossal problem for the world dealers.
@tjrarecoins - How will you guys be handling the funds collected, sponsorship and the selected tables now that the show is cancelled, I assume it will carry over with those dealers having first preference at the rosemont show? You can message me privately or email if you want.
Here is our New Statement we shared to our Facebook groups:
I am writing to inform you that the partnership between Coin World and Shepherd Expos will be cancelling the Fort Lauderdale Show we had scheduled for April 2025. We will issue you a refund check, if you have already paid.
When we scheduled our first Tampa Show during the summer of 2023, we asked for a multi-year contract. The convention center replied that they were not allowed to schedule more than eighteen months in advance, unlike most convention centers. Regardless, they assured us we would be able to schedule for 2025 during 2024. Unfortunately, that did not occur, as all the dates during the periods we were looking for were unavailable.
At that point, we turned our attention to Fort Lauderdale, another attractive venue for 2025. Since we were moving to a new location, we felt it best to flip our show from the fall to spring at the same time, to avoid hurricane season in Florida. The ANA had recently vacated their traditional March/April time slot for their spring show to make a permanent move into February. So, filling their vacated slot seemed like an advantageous opportunity, spaced equally between the two annual Florida United Numismatists’ shows in January and July.
At the time of our contract with Fort Lauderdale, and scheduling the dates for our show, the Whitman/CDN Publishing Baltimore show had not posted any schedule for 2025. However, with the subsequent scheduling of their show the week before ours, we faced a very difficult path to success.
After several weeks of talking to the national dealers we have come to expect to attend big shows, and whom both Baltimore and our show need for success, it became apparent we were going to lose a significant portion of them if we stayed where we were. Dealers with long established ties to Baltimore did not want to risk losing their table locations by passing on Baltimore, and many were reluctant to do two major shows just three days apart. An attempt to reschedule to a later date proved fruitless, due to lack of availability. We will reconsider Florida in 2026.
We don’t feel it is fair to you to hold you to a show without a full compliment of large national dealers.
I certainly appreciate the confidence you displayed by scheduling with us, and I hope you can understand our decision, reluctantly made. We will now focus our attention on producing the best possible show in Rosemont in September, and we will look forward to seeing you there
.Wishing you an awesome New Year, filled with health, happiness and prosperity,
Larry Shepherd
I am going to go the ANA show in OKC to support the dealers and the ANA. Never been to OKC but am looking forward to visiting a new city. NJ Coin convinced me to make the trip.
@johnny010 said:
Maybe I’m disconnected a bit, but traveling 50% for a living, I don’t see the world falling apart due to a connecting flight. I mean, it’s better than a stage coach.
You're right. The world also won't fall apart if a coin show is skipped.
Dealers have enough hassles traveling around the country with expensive inventory. Connecting flights do not need to be among them. Particularly when there are several opportunities throughout the year that do not involve them.
It's a legitimate concern, no one is required to attend any particular show, and the final attendance tally will show that @PeakRarities's concerns are not unfounded. Particularly when you consider that the issue also impacts members of the public.
Less public attendance at a show translates into less good shows for dealers, magnifying the hassle of traveling in the first place. With or without a connecting flight. Just ask any dealer who attended the last show in Nashville or Tampa whether the squeeze was worth the juice in light of the public attendance.
I'm fully aware that OKC might not have as many direct flights as some locations, but for all you high society folks and other elites, if you live in places such as Miami, Orlando, Chicago, NYC, LA, Denver, Atlanta, Charlotte, Seattle, Nashville, or Vegas just to name a few you shouldn't have any trouble getting a direct flight if that's what you want. Now if the cream of the crop coin dealers all live in Bugtussle or Hooterville that's a different story.
If you say so. I'll wait and see how the attendance shakes out.
I predict many cream of the crop coin dealers will skip the show, regardless of where they are coming from, because if the show turns out to be a bust, it just won't be worth their time and money. And all indications are that OKC is going to draw traffic comparable to the GACC in Tampa or IMEX in Nashville, as opposed to ANA in Rosemont, Pittsburgh or Philadelphia, or FUN in Orlando.
Because a lot of people are going to have no interest in making a trip to OKC in August to look at and buy coins. Lots of other opportunities to visit much more attractive locations during the year.
The fact remains that there is not nearly as much nonstop air service to OKC as you seem to imagine, and the flights that are available are not nearly as well priced as those to many other popular destinations. As though OKC is a popular destination in the first place. Not sure what drove the ANA's decision to pay OKC a visit, but, after the show, you'll see why it wasn't a wise one.
"High society" or not, this is not a "build it and they will come" type of situation. The shows need to be where people want to go. Not the other way around. Because, given the variety of choices throughout the year, absolutely no one needs to go to any one show. Especially if they think it might suck.
There are myriad reasons why OKC is not a hot spot. (I guess, literally, in August it will be a bit of a hot spot. 🤣) The lack of tons of cheap direct flights to many US destinations is but one of them.
LOL, I never said OKC would be a success that is completely out of my control. I just wanted to gig you a bit because you talk a lot, but I've never seen you back anything up. Around here in OKC we call that "all hat no cattle".
I will admit I have probably not read all of your nearly 2,500 posts so I could have missed it, but I have never seen you post a single coin or mention what you actually like to collect. Even more peculiar I have never seen you post a positive or affirming post. All I've ever seen are negative and argumentative posts. It's actually kind of sad.
Case in point, in one of the now deleted VaultBox threads, I actually took your side to which you immediately told me I was wrong. It was both fascinating and absurd all at the same time, and like I said kind of sad.
All good. I like to share my thoughts. Not my collection. If you look hard enough, you'll see many positive, affirming posts. Even some agreeing with those I tend to argue with.
Plenty of "Likes" and "Agrees" as well. The fact remains, as with life in general, that it's the arguments that tend to draw attention.
That said, if OKC being a success is completely out of your control, what are you trying to convey by posting that "all you high society folks and other elites, if you live in places such as Miami, Orlando, Chicago, NYC, LA, Denver, Atlanta, Charlotte, Seattle, Nashville, or Vegas just to name a few you shouldn't have any trouble getting a direct flight if that's what you want"? That they should be ashamed of themselves if OKC is not a success, because OKC is accessible to those truly motivated to make the effort?
Yes, of course it is. Any place is. The point that the WFOM is not a Taylor Swift concert, and the more difficult it is to attend, and the less attractive the location, the fewer hard core collectors will be motivated to make the effort. And dealers really don't need to congregate in OKC in August to trade with themselves.
No offense to you if you call OKC home. I don't consider myself a "high society elite," but OKC is not really an attractive convention location for most of the rest of the country. Notwithstanding the fact that you have professional basketball and some very fine college football.
Why would I say anyone should be ashamed if OKC is not a success or if dealers and/or collectors choose not to attend? That is probably one of the more asinine things you have said, and that's a pretty high bar. Once again I was gigging you. After all I figured a big shot like you had a private jet, so a direct flight shouldn't be a problem. Commercial is for poor people.
Would I like for OKC to be a success, absolutely. As a matter of fact I hope every coin show is a success including GACC and IMEX because it is good for the hobby. However, if the WFoM in OKC falls flat on its face it won't affect me in the slightest or my bottom line unless they start auctioning cattle on the bourse.
Why would the ANA choose a s#%* hole like OKC? I have no idea, I guess someone needs to ask them. Who knows maybe APMEX played a role, they swing a pretty big stick (at least with bullion) and their headquarters are in OKC.
Not really sure how we ended up in the rabbit hole, or how it "gigging me" to say "I'm fully aware that OKC might not have as many direct flights as some locations, but for all you high society folks and other elites, if you live in places such as Miami, Orlando, Chicago, NYC, LA, Denver, Atlanta, Charlotte, Seattle, Nashville, or Vegas just to name a few you shouldn't have any trouble getting a direct flight if that's what you want. Now if the cream of the crop coin dealers all live in Bugtussle or Hooterville that's a different story."
I read it to mean that OKC is easily accessible from lots of places, so inability to get a direct flight is no reason to shun OKC. And I gave you my response.
The fact is, OKC not being a success won't actually affect anyone in the slightest, other than the ANA. And, whatever its motives were for choosing OKC, I am quite sure they went in with their eyes wide open.
It was likely payback to someone for something. And, as I said, the hobby will survive and we will all move on.
Piling on me for calling it as I see it is not going to change anything, or make OKC any better or worse than it is going to be. I seriously doubt a single person who wasn't going to go is going to change their mind based on your posts, or is going to change plans to go based on mine.
So, what exactly is the point of arguing with me when you are not even willing to take the other side?
The point is all you do is argue, and I was simply pointing that out. You are a negative person by nature, which is okay I guess (not really). It just seems like a sad way to go through life.
Once again have you ever posted a picture of a coin on this board? Have you ever stated what you like to collect? Have you ever even complimented someone on their coins or is arguing with people all you do here?
In that case, talk about calling the kettle black. "I'm arguing with you when I don't even believe in the other side as a demonstration of how YOU like to argue." 🤣🤣🤣
I'm just bored tonight. I don't typically argue with people on this board, I try to help people when I can, and I have posted lots of coins, especially on the rare plastic thread, which is a collecting interest of mine. Almost 2,500 negative posts for you, that's got to be some kind of record.
I wrote 2000 negative posts in 2024. That has to be some kind of record as well.
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I'm just bored tonight. I don't typically argue with people on this board, I try to help people when I can, and I have posted lots of coins, especially on the rare plastic thread, which is a collecting interest of mine. Almost 2,500 negative posts for you, that's got to be some kind of record.
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Good grief, do you edit every post?
You may do whatever you like, I'm not in charge of you. I'm just curious. We've established that you have never posted any pictures of coins. Have you ever posted what types of coins you collect? Do you in fact own any collectable coins? Have you ever complimented anyone on this board about their coins? Have you ever tried to help anyone on this board/answer a question in a positive manner or are all of your comments negative? Once again I assume I haven't read all of your posts, but all of them that I have read have been negative. Why is that?
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OKC is an easy drive from Bugtussle https://maps.app.goo.gl/euiUBtN5LrdhoFde7 139 miles, most of it on I-40. 2h10m.
Now Hooterville is more like 6.5 hours - https://maps.app.goo.gl/2orvPF1YKmJkkVdh6
and it's just under 3h from DFW
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Yeah. I post, then I find typos, or things I want to add. Am I allowed to do that? 🤣
As far as sharing goes, thanks for giving me permission, but I already knew I was free to share what I want, when I want.
I answer questions whenever I can. If you find my posts to be negative, it's probably because I'm a miserable human being.
We good now? Is OKC now going to be better than it would have been otherwise?
If I never posted about it, would the OKC WFOM be better than it's now going to be, after my comments? If not, why do you care about whether I post pictures of coins, compliment others' pictures, or express opinions, positive or negative, about whatever moves me?
Why do you think it is your business what I do or don't own? If I own nothing but the shirt on my back, and in fact don't even collect coins, but just post here because it seems like a groovy place to hang out online, would that make OKC a better place to live, or to have a national coin show?
If not, what's the point? Do you think you are making me feel bad, or putting me in my place? You aren't. Do you think you are going to provoke me into posting a picture? You won't.
If my posts offend you, there is an Ignore feature that can spare you, and let you get back to posting pictures of coins, complimenting others, and tending to your duties at the OKC Chamber of Commerce.
LOL, at least we agree on one thing. Like I said I'm just bored tonight, and you fascinate me. I don't think there is anyone else on this board as negative as you. 2,500 negative posts, that has to be some kind of record.
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Thanks Burton, that gave me a good chuckle. I didn't even know those were real places, I was just making a Green Acres reference, which is what I assume @NJCoin thinks OKC is like.
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I think we also agree that OKC is going to be a bust. 😀
I never said that, y quien sabe. All I said was that I have no control over it, but if your wish does come true it won't really affect me. However, I want OKC to be a success. I want GACC to be a success. I want IMEX to be a success, because it is good for the hobby.
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Yes, yes, yes. Everyone wants. But what do you think?
I think it's going to suck. I don't wish it, I think it. And you are going to great pains to not disagree. I got it.
Actually....not.
It's deliberate to generate clicks and make sure the viewer stays engaged once hitting the webpage for at least 10-12 seconds, if not longer. I often see discrepancies between the headline or opening sentence and the body of the article.
They do it all the time.
I have been to several shows in the Oklahoma City area pre and post COVID. Regional shows, yes, but - from a collector perspective - very successful never-the-less.
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Which is fine, for a regional show. There are regional shows all the time, all over the country.
The fact is that they are a very different animal from a national show. If the WFOM in any way resembles one of your successful regional shows, it will be a huge fail.
Don't get me wrong -- if you only have to travel 15 minutes to get there, have no expenses related to accommodations, and see more than 50 dealers there, you will be thrilled.
OTOH, if the ANA cannot draw at least around 5K members of the public over 5 days, it will be bust from their perspective, and from the perspective of whatever dealers make the trip from all over the country. Simply because there are several other locations in the country where they can have the show during the same period of time and attract at least that number of attendees.
That's the difference between a national show, a regional show, and a local show. Cost and scale.
OKC is going to cost a lot for many people to get to, since it's not within driving distance of a critical mass of collectors and dealers. It's also going to cost a lot for the ANA to produce, as it always does.
And then it's not going to achieve scale, because a lot of people are going to take a pass. That will constitute a fail, even if for locals like you and @UpGrayedd it turns out to be the best regional show ever.
I have no idea nor any control on whether or not OKC will be a success so I'm not going to go out on a limb and say it will be, that would be stupid. There are a lot of factors beyond just the location city and airports that can affect the success of a show. Chief among them is the economy. Beef prices are high so I'm actually doing quite well, but for a lot of folks the economy sucks right now and doesn't really look to be getting any better, regardless of what the politicians tell you.
I don't actually live in OKC (not much ranch land in the city), but if you're trying to get me to admit that OKC isn't on most people's bucket list as a travel destination you got me (but I doubt New Jersey is either so who cares).
With that said, OKC has it's own charm. If you like Native American culture, the First Americans Museum is top notch. If you like James Earle Fraser and/or western heritage the National Cowboy & Western Heritage Museum is a must.
If you like more "fine art" the OKC Museum of Art has a great Dale Chihuly exhibit. OKC also has some of the best steakhouses in the country if that's your thing. However, at the end of the day none of that really matters, because my main objective was never to promote OKC. As I already said, I was just bored, you rubbed me the wrong way, and I wanted to point out how negative you are about EVERYTHING.
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Might not be the most pressing of issues but the PCGS show schedule still shows the GACC Ft L. show. As per their Press Room it has been canceled.
https://www.gacc.show/20241219-gaccs-chicago-2025.html
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https://youtube.com/watch?v=wwmUMvhy-lY - Pink Me And Bobby McGee
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https://youtube.com/watch?v=D0FPxuQv2ns - Ruby Starr (from 'Go Jim Dandy') Maybe I'm Amazed
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NJCoin, how many of these shows have you actually attended? Have you sent us an email of your questions and concerns for our last show? You are more than welcome to come by our table at FUN #856 to voice your concerns. > @NJCoin said:
NJCoin, how many of these shows have you actually attended? Have you sent us an email of your questions and concerns for our last show? You are more than welcome to come by our table at FUN #856 to voice your concerns. Many of your posts do not include the correct information and are just assumptions on our decision.
Here is our New Statement we shared to our Facebook groups:
I am writing to inform you that the partnership between Coin World and Shepherd Expos will be cancelling the Fort Lauderdale Show we had scheduled for April 2025. We will issue you a refund check, if you have already paid.
When we scheduled our first Tampa Show during the summer of 2023, we asked for a multi-year contract. The convention center replied that they were not allowed to schedule more than eighteen months in advance, unlike most convention centers. Regardless, they assured us we would be able to schedule for 2025 during 2024. Unfortunately, that did not occur, as all the dates during the periods we were looking for were unavailable.
At that point, we turned our attention to Fort Lauderdale, another attractive venue for 2025. Since we were moving to a new location, we felt it best to flip our show from the fall to spring at the same time, to avoid hurricane season in Florida. The ANA had recently vacated their traditional March/April time slot for their spring show to make a permanent move into February. So, filling their vacated slot seemed like an advantageous opportunity, spaced equally between the two annual Florida United Numismatists’ shows in January and July.
At the time of our contract with Fort Lauderdale, and scheduling the dates for our show, the Whitman/CDN Publishing Baltimore show had not posted any schedule for 2025. However, with the subsequent scheduling of their show the week before ours, we faced a very difficult path to success.
After several weeks of talking to the national dealers we have come to expect to attend big shows, and whom both Baltimore and our show need for success, it became apparent we were going to lose a significant portion of them if we stayed where we were. Dealers with long established ties to Baltimore did not want to risk losing their table locations by passing on Baltimore, and many were reluctant to do two major shows just three days apart. An attempt to reschedule to a later date proved fruitless, due to lack of availability. We will reconsider Florida in 2026.
We don’t feel it is fair to you to hold you to a show without a full compliment of large national dealers.
I certainly appreciate the confidence you displayed by scheduling with us, and I hope you can understand our decision, reluctantly made. We will now focus our attention on producing the best possible show in Rosemont in September, and we will look forward to seeing you there
.Wishing you an awesome New Year, filled with health, happiness and prosperity,
Larry Shepherd
I am going to go the ANA show in OKC to support the dealers and the ANA. Never been to OKC but am looking forward to visiting a new city. NJ Coin convinced me to make the trip.
I wrote 2000 negative posts in 2024. That has to be some kind of record as well.