She came back AU Details...code 98 Damaged. I guess the tiny reverse rim ding showing fresh copper color warranted the code.
It would have been better if she came back cleaned or environmental damage...the coin would have had some residual value. Graded Damaged it has no value.
On a positive note turnaround time was 1 month.....I am a bit disappointed but when you roll the dice sometimes you get snake eyes. I am out $300 and a voucher, nothing ventured...nothing gained except the knowledge that I should steer clear of raw coins.
Sorry to see this; I’ll refer to one of my posts above:
_ That’s part of the conundrum with copper.
If you NEED it in a PCGS slab, you’re rolling the dice. On the flip side, it’s a nice example of a better Red Book variety at a reasonable price, regardless what PCGS might say._
PCGS seems to have gotten much tougher on copper the past few years.
And I don’t think you are out $300, as you can probably trade it or sell it outright, as a raw coin, to an EAC dealer. It’s not a perfect coin, but still a decent example of a tougher large cent.
@robec said:
Could you use it as a pocket piece until the color of the ding is more a match to the surrounding area?
Just a guess but I don't think it was the rim nick that caused the grade, but it is possible that your suggestion could over time help the coin and might result in a straight grade down the road.
Is this one as bright as the pcgs photo or is your original photo more accurate?
I think this one would be a perfect album filler and probably shouldn't be resubmitted.
That is a bummer, especially when they do not even say where or what the damage is
after examining the True Views I wonder if (sadly these are just guesses - too bad after your submission fee, still not sure )
1) there is some old pvc pits on the obverse - the dark spots near star 10
2) the rime edge - near 4 o'clock on obverse and 2 o'clock on reverse - the reverse rim edge looks tooled
I occ. have issues with the TPG assessments of early English copper, but neither IMHO get it right at all times. Interestingly I had a GB 1843 penny that was graded cleaned ATS and hosts brought it back at 58....
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Well the plot thickens....I have the coin in hand and the holder says "Repaired-AU Detail." Interesting to say the least. Repaired is better than Damaged and the coin looks AU58 in hand, I am keeping it for my set....it has character and some resale value. Those with a good eye are welcome to point out the repair....a learning experience. Thanks.
@RLSnapper said:
Well the plot thickens....I have the coin in hand and the holder says "Repaired-AU Detail." Interesting to say the least. Repaired is better than Damaged and the coin looks AU58 in hand, I am keeping it for my set....it has character and some resale value. Those with a good eye are welcome to point out the repair....a learning experience. Thanks.
These copper coins of this era have a lot of very small differences that have extreme value difference. I will admit I suggested AU on this one, while it came back details versus straight grade , well, I cannot tell that from the pics without seeing in hand, but it does seem close to correct for my eyes. These coins are highly scrutinized and are tough to get right for almost everyone. It’s still a great coin though, the collecting extremes in this series make it seem like nobody could ever figure it out. It’s still a coin with value regardless of what the holder says, as most in this area collect raw anyway.
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Send it to a copper specialist who specializes in restoration, it need a coast of dark copper on that teeny tiny hit, he will make it go away then resubmit
Here are the obverse and reverse separately for increased size, resolution.
I don't know and not a copper person at all, but just to throw out some stuff:
There is something on the reverse near the rim from about 7 o/c to 10 o/c. I can't tell what it is or if it is post mint or part of the minting (planchet flaw, adjustment, die wear, combination or other). I did a screen enlargement and grab at bottom of part of this area near 10 o/c.
Also looking hard with some imagination maybe the 12 o/c obverse rim and to the reverse 6 o/c rim a little different but that would be a good repair.
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Sorry to see this; I’ll refer to one of my posts above:
_ That’s part of the conundrum with copper.
If you NEED it in a PCGS slab, you’re rolling the dice. On the flip side, it’s a nice example of a better Red Book variety at a reasonable price, regardless what PCGS might say._
PCGS seems to have gotten much tougher on copper the past few years.
And I don’t think you are out $300, as you can probably trade it or sell it outright, as a raw coin, to an EAC dealer. It’s not a perfect coin, but still a decent example of a tougher large cent.
Could you use it as a pocket piece until the color of the ding is more a match to the surrounding area?
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Just a guess but I don't think it was the rim nick that caused the grade, but it is possible that your suggestion could over time help the coin and might result in a straight grade down the road.
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I like these GTGs. It's very interesting to see the wide variance of opinions in grading, even between experts and sometimes, the TPGs,
Is this one as bright as the pcgs photo or is your original photo more accurate?
I think this one would be a perfect album filler and probably shouldn't be resubmitted.
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I would crack out and submit to NGC if that tiny rim ding was the only cause.
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That is a bummer, especially when they do not even say where or what the damage is
after examining the True Views I wonder if (sadly these are just guesses - too bad after your submission fee, still not sure
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1) there is some old pvc pits on the obverse - the dark spots near star 10
2) the rime edge - near 4 o'clock on obverse and 2 o'clock on reverse - the reverse rim edge looks tooled
You're incorrect that it is worthless. Still worth $100....just not $300.
You could try Anacs, at least you may get an AU58 "details" grade.
Wow... sort of late to the game but I was in the AU58 camp too. Looks like a nice piece...
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I occ. have issues with the TPG assessments of early English copper, but neither IMHO get it right at all times. Interestingly I had a GB 1843 penny that was graded cleaned ATS and hosts brought it back at 58....
Well, just Love coins, period.
Well the plot thickens....I have the coin in hand and the holder says "Repaired-AU Detail." Interesting to say the least. Repaired is better than Damaged and the coin looks AU58 in hand, I am keeping it for my set....it has character and some resale value. Those with a good eye are welcome to point out the repair....a learning experience. Thanks.
These copper coins of this era have a lot of very small differences that have extreme value difference. I will admit I suggested AU on this one, while it came back details versus straight grade , well, I cannot tell that from the pics without seeing in hand, but it does seem close to correct for my eyes. These coins are highly scrutinized and are tough to get right for almost everyone. It’s still a great coin though, the collecting extremes in this series make it seem like nobody could ever figure it out. It’s still a coin with value regardless of what the holder says, as most in this area collect raw anyway.
Send it to a copper specialist who specializes in restoration, it need a coast of dark copper on that teeny tiny hit, he will make it go away then resubmit
Here are the obverse and reverse separately for increased size, resolution.
I don't know and not a copper person at all, but just to throw out some stuff:
There is something on the reverse near the rim from about 7 o/c to 10 o/c. I can't tell what it is or if it is post mint or part of the minting (planchet flaw, adjustment, die wear, combination or other). I did a screen enlargement and grab at bottom of part of this area near 10 o/c.
Also looking hard with some imagination maybe the 12 o/c obverse rim and to the reverse 6 o/c rim a little different but that would be a good repair.
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