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I grew up in San Diego, CA, and am a life-long Padres and Chargers fan (well, until the idiot Dean Spanos moved the team to LA).
I do like the Cowboys though, as I have lived in Texas for about 19 years now; and have followed them since the Roger Staubach era.
I also have liked the Steelers since the Bradshaw days, since they'd usually beat the Raiders (who I've always despised), and my maternal grandfather and his dad were both born near Pittsburgh.
Steve D
Chargers can go pound sand. Padres need to fire Preller so badly. His rosters are always terrible and I'm sick of seeing him ruin the team for a decade now
I do agree that direct comparisons across decades is folly. but, I am fully convinced that had Terry Bradshaw been born in 1997 he would be an elite QB right now. He had the arm, legs and head to get the job done. His statistics do not compare to modern players only because the game is so different. He had a huge arm.
Terry was also greater then Tom in this respect.
I noticed Tom had only a higher QB rating in 3 of his 6 Super Bowl wins for NE.
Tom had a lower QB rating then Eli in both SB losses. One was embarrassing.
Terry had a higher QB rating in all four of his SB wins. He didn’t lose one SB. I believe Joe Montana the same.
I know some people don’t like the big game player theory, but if Reggie was Mr. October, then Terry and Joe were Mr. January, and Brady isn’t.
Dont tell that to Dallas or Tabe LOL.
Eh, you play in nearly 3x as many Super Bowls, you're bound to have some that aren't amazing. Maybe Terry should've pretended the 1976 AFC title game was a Super Bowl.
In 19 playoff games, Bradshaw had a rating under 60 in 5 of them - 26%
In 23 playoff games, Joe Montana had a rating of 60.0 or lower in 4 of them - 17%
In 48 playoff games, Tom Brady had a rating under 60 in 5 of them - 10%
I do agree that direct comparisons across decades is folly. but, I am fully convinced that had Terry Bradshaw been born in 1997 he would be an elite QB right now. He had the arm, legs and head to get the job done. His statistics do not compare to modern players only because the game is so different. He had a huge arm.
Terry was also greater then Tom in this respect.
I noticed Tom had only a higher QB rating in 3 of his 6 Super Bowl wins for NE.
Tom had a lower QB rating then Eli in both SB losses. One was embarrassing.
Terry had a higher QB rating in all four of his SB wins. He didn’t lose one SB. I believe Joe Montana the same.
I know some people don’t like the big game player theory, but if Reggie was Mr. October, then Terry and Joe were Mr. January, and Brady isn’t.
Dont tell that to Dallas or Tabe LOL.
Eh, you play in nearly 3x as many Super Bowls, you're bound to have some that aren't amazing. Maybe Terry should've pretended the 1976 AFC title game was a Super Bowl.
In 19 playoff games, Bradshaw had a rating under 60 in 5 of them - 26%
In 23 playoff games, Joe Montana had a rating of 60.0 or lower in 4 of them - 17%
In 48 playoff games, Tom Brady had a rating under 60 in 5 of them - 10%
I do agree that direct comparisons across decades is folly. but, I am fully convinced that had Terry Bradshaw been born in 1997 he would be an elite QB right now. He had the arm, legs and head to get the job done. His statistics do not compare to modern players only because the game is so different. He had a huge arm.
Terry was also greater then Tom in this respect.
I noticed Tom had only a higher QB rating in 3 of his 6 Super Bowl wins for NE.
Tom had a lower QB rating then Eli in both SB losses. One was embarrassing.
Terry had a higher QB rating in all four of his SB wins. He didn’t lose one SB. I believe Joe Montana the same.
I know some people don’t like the big game player theory, but if Reggie was Mr. October, then Terry and Joe were Mr. January, and Brady isn’t.
Dont tell that to Dallas or Tabe LOL.
Eh, you play in nearly 3x as many Super Bowls, you're bound to have some that aren't amazing. Maybe Terry should've pretended the 1976 AFC title game was a Super Bowl.
In 19 playoff games, Bradshaw had a rating under 60 in 5 of them - 26%
In 23 playoff games, Joe Montana had a rating of 60.0 or lower in 4 of them - 17%
In 48 playoff games, Tom Brady had a rating under 60 in 5 of them - 10%
You do understand that Joe Montana played in the most highly efficient passing offense where defensive coaches couldn’t figure out how to stop it ?
Similar to how defensive coaches couldn’t figure out Shula’s trap blocking counter run game in the early 70’s which made Csonka and Kiick more efficient.
You do understand the huge difference between pass efficiency stats between Brady’s and Bradshaw’s era ?
3 receivers to 5 in patterns
3 step drop to shotgun
Rule changes to protect the QB
Throw mostly on 3rd and 8+ to
Throwing on 1st or 2nd and 5.
Please never use efficiencies numbers when comparing QB’s from the 50’s-70’s to the 80’s onwards.
Only compare as Perkdog has rightly said decade to decade.
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daltex
For you yes, but he’s obsessed.
Now Steve came at me with his third alt daltex.
All I said to the guy at first is I’m using the forum ignore feature to not see his contributions anymore because he’s a 55 year old man who approves of saying people suck.
Then Steve mocks me for making an understandable spelling error.
Thanks to the one who showed me it’s him again.
I’m also told he uses alts to laugh at his alts comments.
I’ve seen this before and I hope he has no more but with his obsessive behavior he will show up and mock me with another soon enough.
I’m not against him.
If he likes to mock, mock away.
I just don’t like to live in that world.
Nothing personal. All the best to him.
What if another Steve chimes in?
Yeah.
I got a heartfelt message from a guy I don’t even know today telling me his son self mutilates when he gets bullied at school.
I don’t want to associate with internet bullies and mockers.
It’s not the world I enjoy living in.
To each their own.
Makes sense. You are right, everyone has their own tolerances. I hope you enjoy your time on the board and your endeavors.
Thank you.
You as well.
I’ve seen a lifetime of chaos to last me two lifetimes already.
I simply don’t want it anymore.
I’m not hostile towards those who enjoy mockery, insults, and saying nasty things against others. I’d just rather have kindness and respect. Live and let live.
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daltex
I do agree that direct comparisons across decades is folly. but, I am fully convinced that had Terry Bradshaw been born in 1997 he would be an elite QB right now. He had the arm, legs and head to get the job done. His statistics do not compare to modern players only because the game is so different. He had a huge arm.
Terry was also greater then Tom in this respect.
I noticed Tom had only a higher QB rating in 3 of his 6 Super Bowl wins for NE.
Tom had a lower QB rating then Eli in both SB losses. One was embarrassing.
Terry had a higher QB rating in all four of his SB wins. He didn’t lose one SB. I believe Joe Montana the same.
I know some people don’t like the big game player theory, but if Reggie was Mr. October, then Terry and Joe were Mr. January, and Brady isn’t.
Dont tell that to Dallas or Tabe LOL.
Eh, you play in nearly 3x as many Super Bowls, you're bound to have some that aren't amazing. Maybe Terry should've pretended the 1976 AFC title game was a Super Bowl.
In 19 playoff games, Bradshaw had a rating under 60 in 5 of them - 26%
In 23 playoff games, Joe Montana had a rating of 60.0 or lower in 4 of them - 17%
In 48 playoff games, Tom Brady had a rating under 60 in 5 of them - 10%
Even comparing Bradshaw to his contemporaries in the 70’s is difficult.
I’d love to see the numbers on
Griese and Bradshaw compared to
Tarkenton, Staubach, Stabler and Anderson’s.
Shula and Noll dominated the 70’s with the run. Terry and Bob played in the worst passing environment not only in the 70’s but perhaps NFL history with those two coaches.
Otto Graham and the guys in the 60’s probably threw more.
Hadl and Namath in the 60’s threw all game long as did many other teams.
Shula and Noll ran the ball.
Shula I think averaged 50 run and 10 pass. Noll maybe 40 - 20 but Noll and Shula did change eventually.
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daltex
@4for4 said:
We don’t give the respect these old timers deserve when we say these new kids are GOATS. They play in pass happy systems that protect the QB. Football back then was brutal.
Theres obviously differences just like no one will ever touch many of CY Youngs records. However, if a QB if throwing 15 times a game it cant be ignored that they really arent doing a ton. The eras need to be separated but the QBs today are basically essential and expected to run the games, back in the day they were more game managers
When Eli outplays Brady twice and once on a 10-6 team vs a 16-0 team that tells me a lot about Brady.
He was outplayed 5 times out of 8 in Super Bowls. Joe and Terry never.
Eli didnt outplay Brady in the SBs he just had a better team around him. He was objective average at best in 1 and dont forget Samuel also dropped a pick 6 to the chest that kept the game alive. The helmet catch was also a much better catch than throw. At best Eli was equal if you combine the two, but Eli is one of the most overrated QBs
Eli led a 10-6 Giants team to a victory over a 16-0 Pats team.
How was Eli’s Giants team better ?
Eli had a better QB rating over Brady in that Super Bowl win also.
Here’s the other one where he was MVP.
Their stats were the same in the SB. Eli was a turn over machine threw out his career. Up until recently the AFC East was also very bad division especially during the dynasty run. The Giants had a much better defense and the Pats also dropped an INT that would have won the game.
Eli gets to much credit for his last name being Manning. If you swap QBs the same team wins, they just have a better record and no I am not a Pats fan
The Patriots were 3 and 12 point favorites in both Super Bowls.
Eli had a better QB rating over Brady in both Super Bowls.
Brady and Elis stats are basically the same for the two SBs. When you add the yards up of the two games its basically the same, they both had 3 TDs and 1 INT when you combine the game stats. Neither was better for those two games
If your test score is 85.3 and my test score is 84.9, who’s test score is better?
If the Knicks score 111 points and the Nets score 110 points which team was better?
In my world the better score is the best.
In your world those examples are “basically the same “.
Your world is not how sports works.
There are winners and losers in these games of inches.
Eli had a better QB rating, or test score, in both SB games.
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daltex
I do agree that direct comparisons across decades is folly. but, I am fully convinced that had Terry Bradshaw been born in 1997 he would be an elite QB right now. He had the arm, legs and head to get the job done. His statistics do not compare to modern players only because the game is so different. He had a huge arm.
Terry was also greater then Tom in this respect.
I noticed Tom had only a higher QB rating in 3 of his 6 Super Bowl wins for NE.
Tom had a lower QB rating then Eli in both SB losses. One was embarrassing.
Terry had a higher QB rating in all four of his SB wins. He didn’t lose one SB. I believe Joe Montana the same.
I know some people don’t like the big game player theory, but if Reggie was Mr. October, then Terry and Joe were Mr. January, and Brady isn’t.
Dont tell that to Dallas or Tabe LOL.
Eh, you play in nearly 3x as many Super Bowls, you're bound to have some that aren't amazing. Maybe Terry should've pretended the 1976 AFC title game was a Super Bowl.
In 19 playoff games, Bradshaw had a rating under 60 in 5 of them - 26%
In 23 playoff games, Joe Montana had a rating of 60.0 or lower in 4 of them - 17%
In 48 playoff games, Tom Brady had a rating under 60 in 5 of them - 10%
I do agree that direct comparisons across decades is folly. but, I am fully convinced that had Terry Bradshaw been born in 1997 he would be an elite QB right now. He had the arm, legs and head to get the job done. His statistics do not compare to modern players only because the game is so different. He had a huge arm.
Terry was also greater then Tom in this respect.
I noticed Tom had only a higher QB rating in 3 of his 6 Super Bowl wins for NE.
Tom had a lower QB rating then Eli in both SB losses. One was embarrassing.
Terry had a higher QB rating in all four of his SB wins. He didn’t lose one SB. I believe Joe Montana the same.
I know some people don’t like the big game player theory, but if Reggie was Mr. October, then Terry and Joe were Mr. January, and Brady isn’t.
Dont tell that to Dallas or Tabe LOL.
Eh, you play in nearly 3x as many Super Bowls, you're bound to have some that aren't amazing. Maybe Terry should've pretended the 1976 AFC title game was a Super Bowl.
In 19 playoff games, Bradshaw had a rating under 60 in 5 of them - 26%
In 23 playoff games, Joe Montana had a rating of 60.0 or lower in 4 of them - 17%
In 48 playoff games, Tom Brady had a rating under 60 in 5 of them - 10%
Even comparing Bradshaw to his contemporaries in the 70’s is difficult.
I’d love to see the numbers on
Griese and Bradshaw compared to
Tarkenton, Staubach, Stabler and Anderson’s.
Shula and Noll dominated the 70’s with the run. Terry and Bob played in the worst passing environment not only in the 70’s but perhaps NFL history with those two coaches.
Otto Graham and the guys in the 60’s probably threw more.
Hadl and Namath in the 60’s threw all game long as did many other teams.
Shula and Noll ran the ball.
Shula I think averaged 50 run and 10 pass. Noll maybe 40 - 20 but Noll and Shula did change eventually.
From 1975-1979(Pittsburgh Super Bowl span)
Pittsburgh averaged 603 run attempts per year
Dallas averaged 575 run attempts per year
28 more run attempts per year than Dallas. Two more run attempts per game. Is that really enough to explain away how much more efficient Staubach was in the passing game than Bradshaw?
As per compared to the rest of the league, both pittsuburgh and Dallas were running more. That is a function of two thiings. 1)good running game/offensive line...both of which make it easier for Bradshaw to pass when he did.
2) They were winning more often than most teams in the league late in the game so naturally they will run more than the average team.
Your points comparing running/passing to the league now are certainly true. It is a different game with some different rules, but you are over blowing it in that time to try and explain away Bradshaw's less than stellar passing efficiency(in his time).
The Super Bowl stuff. You would really base four games as proof of anything? Like Tabe said, then why didn't Bradshaw play better in the earlier rounds in the other years so he could get to more Super Bowls? Did he not realize that if they won those playoff games that he would then be in the Super Bowl more?
Don't forget the teammates.
At what point do you give Lynn Swann credit for some of those pass completions in the Super Bowl that Bradshaw is getting ALL the credit for?
At what point does Jackie Smith dropping a touchdown pass get 'negative' credit toward Staubach, instead of Staubach receiving all that blame in both his stats and the win or loss in that game?
Etc... Why bother electing any other Steeler to the HOF if Bradshaw is getting all the credit for all the 'rings'? You are giving Bradshaw all the credit is that is your main point in giving him the nod as being better than other superior QB's in Bradshaw's own time.
I do agree that direct comparisons across decades is folly. but, I am fully convinced that had Terry Bradshaw been born in 1997 he would be an elite QB right now. He had the arm, legs and head to get the job done. His statistics do not compare to modern players only because the game is so different. He had a huge arm.
Terry was also greater then Tom in this respect.
I noticed Tom had only a higher QB rating in 3 of his 6 Super Bowl wins for NE.
Tom had a lower QB rating then Eli in both SB losses. One was embarrassing.
Terry had a higher QB rating in all four of his SB wins. He didn’t lose one SB. I believe Joe Montana the same.
I know some people don’t like the big game player theory, but if Reggie was Mr. October, then Terry and Joe were Mr. January, and Brady isn’t.
Dont tell that to Dallas or Tabe LOL.
Eh, you play in nearly 3x as many Super Bowls, you're bound to have some that aren't amazing. Maybe Terry should've pretended the 1976 AFC title game was a Super Bowl.
In 19 playoff games, Bradshaw had a rating under 60 in 5 of them - 26%
In 23 playoff games, Joe Montana had a rating of 60.0 or lower in 4 of them - 17%
In 48 playoff games, Tom Brady had a rating under 60 in 5 of them - 10%
Even comparing Bradshaw to his contemporaries in the 70’s is difficult.
I’d love to see the numbers on
Griese and Bradshaw compared to
Tarkenton, Staubach, Stabler and Anderson’s.
Shula and Noll dominated the 70’s with the run. Terry and Bob played in the worst passing environment not only in the 70’s but perhaps NFL history with those two coaches.
Otto Graham and the guys in the 60’s probably threw more.
Hadl and Namath in the 60’s threw all game long as did many other teams.
Shula and Noll ran the ball.
Shula I think averaged 50 run and 10 pass. Noll maybe 40 - 20 but Noll and Shula did change eventually.
From 1975-1979(Pittsburgh Super Bowl span)
Pittsburgh averaged 603 run attempts per year
Dallas averaged 575 run attempts per year
28 more run attempts per year than Dallas. Two more run attempts per game. Is that really enough to explain away how much more efficient Staubach was in the passing game than Bradshaw?
As per compared to the rest of the league, both pittsuburgh and Dallas were running more. That is a function of two thiings. 1)good running game/offensive line...both of which make it easier for Bradshaw to pass when he did.
2) They were winning more often than most teams in the league late in the game so naturally they will run more than the average team.
Your points comparing running/passing to the league now are certainly true. It is a different game with some different rules, but you are over blowing it in that time to try and explain away Bradshaw's less than stellar passing efficiency(in his time).
The Super Bowl stuff. You would really base four games as proof of anything? Like Tabe said, then why didn't Bradshaw play better in the earlier rounds in the other years so he could get to more Super Bowls? Did he not realize that if they won those playoff games that he would then be in the Super Bowl more?
Don't forget the teammates.
At what point do you give Lynn Swann credit for some of those pass completions in the Super Bowl that Bradshaw is getting ALL the credit for?
At what point does Jackie Smith dropping a touchdown pass get 'negative' credit toward Staubach, instead of Staubach receiving all that blame in both his stats and the win or loss in that game?
Etc... Why bother electing any other Steeler to the HOF if Bradshaw is getting all the credit for all the 'rings'? You are giving Bradshaw all the credit is that is your main point in giving him the nod as being better than other superior QB's in Bradshaw's own time.
Sorry. Where did I say I was giving Bradshaw all the credit ?
You said I’m giving him all the credit.
I believe I said Miami and Pittsburgh had a great run game, the best in the 70’s.
I’ve also said Staubach was as good as Bradshaw in the 70’s, but he did worse in the two SB losses against him.
Roger threw out of the shotgun much more with Landry also.
IMO his throw to Smith was low and
Could have been higher.
I’ve never touched on the greatness of Mike Webster. We all know how great our defense was.
Noll was a great coach. The best.
Why didn’t Bradshaw play better in the years he lost is a curious question.
He won the most in the 70’s.
Does that mean he should win every year ?
Did Montana win 5 in the 80’s ?
Why didn’t he play better the years he lost ?
Forgive me, but the question is a strange one.
In baseball you hit the ball 3 out of 10 times if you’re great.
4 out of 10 is incredible.
4 out of 10 SB wins in a decade is considered incredible also.
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We all know that from 1970-1974 Terry was not a great QB.
From 1975-1980 he was.
Swann helping with the deep ball Terry loved to throw.
He was unbeaten against Roger with both having similar teams and he outplayed him each time.
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daltex
Margins were thin.
Every play counted.
Roger’s 3 INTs cost the Cowboys the Super Bowl.
Bradshaw had a lifetime 83 QB rate in all postseason games.
Staubach had a 76 QB rate in all his postseason games.
Stabler also had an 83 postseason playoff rate.
Margins were thin.
Like I said, I don’t care that Roger did better against Detroit and Atlanta.
Always felt the Raiders were better then us because of B and B.
No one had a duo like those two.
The Raiders scared me to death.
Loved watching them play too.
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@4for4 You are giving Bradshaw all the credit. You just aren't seeing how.
In Jackie Smith's drop you blame Staubauch saying the throw was low. You give a mention of Swann and his contributions, but no mention how he made catches on throws that were less than perfect...giving. Bradshaw the credit for getting balls into the vicinity.
Seems when it goes bad you blame the other team's QB....except for Terry.
Did Bradshaw ever win a Super Bowl with a defense in the bottom half of the league in points allowed? Fact is, without that defense he doesn't win a single Super Bowl and you would have nothing to stand on to say that Bradshaw was the best QB, because everything you point to is because he had great teammates or he just happened to have good games in the Super Bowl, yet you ignore the bad games he had in the playoffs as if they only matter in the Super Bowl.
I will ask again, why did Bradshaw not just play in the regular season or early rounds of the playoffs like he did in the Super Bowl? so he can get to more Super Bowls?
Are you saying that Bradshaw was psychic and he knew his teams would win with less than Super Bowl level play from him?
Are you saying that Bradshaw was stupid because he did not realize that winning more early round playoff games and more regular season games would lead to MORE Super Bowls?
So why was his performance so much worse compared to his Super Bowl performance? Was he dumb or psychic? Or maybe just lucky that plays went his way in the Super Bowl and he just didn't make any errors as much as all his other games.
Bradshaw got lucky in a few games that were on TV. That doesn't make hime the best. If not lucky then he was either dumb or psychic for not playing as well in the games leading up to getting to MORE Super Bowls.
In Jackie Smith's drop you blame Staubauch saying the throw was low. You give a mention of Swann and his contributions, but no mention how he made catches on throws that were less than perfect...giving. Bradshaw the credit for getting balls into the vicinity.
Seems when it goes bad you blame the other team's QB....except for Terry.
Did Bradshaw ever win a Super Bowl with a defense in the bottom half of the league in points allowed? Fact is, without that defense he doesn't win a single Super Bowl and you would have nothing to stand on to say that Bradshaw was the best QB, because everything you point to is because he had great teammates or he just happened to have good games in the Super Bowl, yet you ignore the bad games he had in the playoffs as if they only matter in the Super Bowl.
I will ask again, why did Bradshaw not just play in the regular season or early rounds of the playoffs like he did in the Super Bowl? so he can get to more Super Bowls?
Are you saying that Bradshaw was psychic and he knew his teams would win with less than Super Bowl level play from him?
Are you saying that Bradshaw was stupid because he did not realize that winning more early round playoff games and more regular season games would lead to MORE Super Bowls?
So why was his performance so much worse compared to his Super Bowl performance? Was he dumb or psychic? Or maybe just lucky that plays went his way in the Super Bowl and he just didn't make any errors as much as all his other games.
Bradshaw got lucky in a few games that were on TV. That doesn't make hime the best. If not lucky then he was either dumb or psychic for not playing as well in the games leading up to getting to MORE Super Bowls.
Sorry.
I’m so sorry.
You must of missed the stat that showed Bradshaw and Stabler an 83 postseason QB rate and Staubach in the 70’s.
Nice chatting.
We’re beating a dead horse now.
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@4for4 aside from Bradshaw getting lucky in a few Super Bowls where he didn't make costly mistakes and he had a great team, he was lucky to even get to three of the Super Bowls his team won. Yes. lucky he had a great team that bailed his poor play out that most QB's in the league did not have that luxury.
1974 @oakland in the AFC championship game the Steelers bail Bradshaw's poor QB playing. Steelers won in spite of Bradshaw. 8 of 17 for 95 yards. 1 TD and 1 INT. An abysmal 4.12 yards per attempt. Their team won despite him.
1975 vs Oakland in AFC championship game as well, Steelers win 16-10 with poor play by Bradshaw.
Bradshaw 15-25, 215 yds. THREE interceptions. 1 TD. An abysmal 4.0 yds per attempt. Brutal. They bailed him out of his three interceptions.
You see, every other QB in the league would have losses next to those playoff games with that type of play, but they did not have the best supporting cast in history bailing him out and even giving him a shot to play in the Super Bowl.
1979/80, he was bailed out. AFC championship game again. The very first drive Pittsburgh is driving, and on 3rd and 4 at the Houston 35 yard line, Bradshaw throws a pick six. YES, he threw an interception that went back for a touchdown. For most QB's in the playoffs, that would be a death knell against another elite team. Not for Bradshaw. His team was so good that it didn't matter.
The Steeler defense held Earl Campbell to 17 carries for 15 yards in that game.
Pittsburgh wins 27-13, and they added that final touchdown in final drive running out the clock, so this game was most certainly loseable and close. Getting saved by that pick six with great defense.
All world Campbell held to nothing by the defense and you are acting as if Bradshaw is the reason they won the Super Bowl that year just because Bradshaw was lucky not to make those costly mistakes he always made, but just not the few games in the Super Bowl?
This is Bradshaw walking off the field after throwing the pick six on that horrible pass,
Bradshaw was fortunate to have EVEN BEEN in any of the Super Bowls, only because he was bailed out by having superior teammates and good fortune for him in the Super Bowl, a luxury other QB's didn't have where when they played poorly they got eliminated.
@4for4 said:
We don’t give the respect these old timers deserve when we say these new kids are GOATS. They play in pass happy systems that protect the QB. Football back then was brutal.
Theres obviously differences just like no one will ever touch many of CY Youngs records. However, if a QB if throwing 15 times a game it cant be ignored that they really arent doing a ton. The eras need to be separated but the QBs today are basically essential and expected to run the games, back in the day they were more game managers
When Eli outplays Brady twice and once on a 10-6 team vs a 16-0 team that tells me a lot about Brady.
He was outplayed 5 times out of 8 in Super Bowls. Joe and Terry never.
Eli didnt outplay Brady in the SBs he just had a better team around him. He was objective average at best in 1 and dont forget Samuel also dropped a pick 6 to the chest that kept the game alive. The helmet catch was also a much better catch than throw. At best Eli was equal if you combine the two, but Eli is one of the most overrated QBs
Eli led a 10-6 Giants team to a victory over a 16-0 Pats team.
How was Eli’s Giants team better ?
Eli had a better QB rating over Brady in that Super Bowl win also.
Here’s the other one where he was MVP.
Their stats were the same in the SB. Eli was a turn over machine threw out his career. Up until recently the AFC East was also very bad division especially during the dynasty run. The Giants had a much better defense and the Pats also dropped an INT that would have won the game.
Eli gets to much credit for his last name being Manning. If you swap QBs the same team wins, they just have a better record and no I am not a Pats fan
The Patriots were 3 and 12 point favorites in both Super Bowls.
Eli had a better QB rating over Brady in both Super Bowls.
Brady and Elis stats are basically the same for the two SBs. When you add the yards up of the two games its basically the same, they both had 3 TDs and 1 INT when you combine the game stats. Neither was better for those two games
If your test score is 85.3 and my test score is 84.9, who’s test score is better?
If the Knicks score 111 points and the Nets score 110 points which team was better?
In my world the better score is the best.
In your world those examples are “basically the same “.
Your world is not how sports works.
There are winners and losers in these games of inches.
Eli had a better QB rating, or test score, in both SB games.
If your overly focused on QB rating and ignoring all the other stats and what happened in the game sure. If you want to think Eli was better in those games because of one stat nothing I can point out will change your mind
@4for4 said:
You do understand that Joe Montana played in the most highly efficient passing offense where defensive coaches couldn’t figure out how to stop it ?
Of course.
You do understand the huge difference between pass efficiency stats between Brady’s and Bradshaw’s era ?
Of course.
YOU understand that a passer rating under 60 would be awful in any era, don't you?
Please never use efficiencies numbers when comparing QB’s from the 50’s-70’s to the 80’s onwards.
Sucks when stats work against your argument, doesn't it?
How about explaining that 1976 AFC title game? Or the 1975 that Pitt somehow won? Or the first round in 1977?
Only compare as Perkdog has rightly said decade to decade.
Ok, no problem. In the 1970s, Bradshaw - who was a starter in every season for at least half the games - finished top 10 in passer rating a whopping four times, top 5 twice. Bob Griese hit top 10 in eight of the nine seasons he played enough in the 70s, top 5 three times, leading once.
Ok, no problem. In the 1970s, Bradshaw - who was a starter in every season for at least half the games - finished top 10 in passer rating a whopping four times, top 5 twice.
And on a team with nowhere near as good a supporting cast, Ken Anderson finished top 10 six times (out of eight seasons played), top 5 three times, and finished first twice. If there exists an argument that Terry Bradshaw was a better QB than Ken Anderson, it is a lousy argument.
This is for you @thisistheshow - Jim Rice was actually a pretty good player.
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If there exists an argument that Terry Bradshaw was a better QB than Ken Anderson, it is a lousy argument.
C'mon, he won four Super Bowls. He was Mr. January!
Fun fact: Terry played 167 games at QB (we'll ignore the 168th game where he didn't attempt a pass) in the regular season. In 60 of them, his passer rating was 60.0 or lower. That's 36% of his games. Again, even in the 1970s, 60.0 was terrible.
from a human perspective, i worry about Bradshaw. he's always been painful to listen to, but it was next-level stuff when he was stumbling thru the highlights last weekend. i'm wondering if it's CTE-related.
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If there exists an argument that Terry Bradshaw was a better QB than Ken Anderson, it is a lousy argument.
C'mon, he won four Super Bowls. He was Mr. January!
Careful, you're going to get yourself on @4for4's Wall of Shame.
Fun fact: Terry played 167 games at QB (we'll ignore the 168th game where he didn't attempt a pass) in the regular season. In 60 of them, his passer rating was 60.0 or lower. That's 36% of his games. Again, even in the 1970s, 60.0 was terrible.
Given the teammates Bradshaw had around him, you'd think 60.0 would be more or less the floor.
I think Terry Bradshaw is a terrific guy, and I'd love to meet him. The evidence that he was a terrific QB, however, simply does not exist.
This is for you @thisistheshow - Jim Rice was actually a pretty good player.
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If there exists an argument that Terry Bradshaw was a better QB than Ken Anderson, it is a lousy argument.
C'mon, he won four Super Bowls. He was Mr. January!
Careful, you're going to get yourself on @4for4's Wall of Shame.
Fun fact: Terry played 167 games at QB (we'll ignore the 168th game where he didn't attempt a pass) in the regular season. In 60 of them, his passer rating was 60.0 or lower. That's 36% of his games. Again, even in the 1970s, 60.0 was terrible.
Given the teammates Bradshaw had around him, you'd think 60.0 would be more or less the floor.
I think Terry Bradshaw is a terrific guy, and I'd love to meet him. The evidence that he was a terrific QB, however, simply does not exist.
Correct.
Bradshaw is basically what Jeff George would look like given two HOF receivers, HOF RB, best offensive line, and an all time defense bailing out his plentiful mistakes and inaccurate bad throws.
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If there exists an argument that Terry Bradshaw was a better QB than Ken Anderson, it is a lousy argument.
C'mon, he won four Super Bowls. He was Mr. January!
Careful, you're going to get yourself on @4for4's Wall of Shame.
Fun fact: Terry played 167 games at QB (we'll ignore the 168th game where he didn't attempt a pass) in the regular season. In 60 of them, his passer rating was 60.0 or lower. That's 36% of his games. Again, even in the 1970s, 60.0 was terrible.
Given the teammates Bradshaw had around him, you'd think 60.0 would be more or less the floor.
I think Terry Bradshaw is a terrific guy, and I'd love to meet him. The evidence that he was a terrific QB, however, simply does not exist.
Correct.
Bradshaw is basically what Jeff George would look like given two HOF receivers, HOF RB, best offensive line, and an all time defense bailing out his plentiful mistakes and inaccurate bad throws.
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Now look at Ken Anderson’s completion percentages on teams with a 5-8-0 record and no Swann or Stallworth like receiving.
See any difference?
No you don’t.
You see Anderson struggling worse on a 10-4-0 team also.
You simply have a bias that doesn’t permit you to see the truth.
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Again.
Bradshaw threw on mostly 3rd and 8 or more his entire career while Anderson threw plenty on first and second and five plenty.
Just go watch his Super Bowl where he lost the game for his team because of his picks he threw.
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For anyone to say Terry was anything other then a 1st team 1970’s All Decade QB as voted by the HOF committee shows that they know very little about the game back then.
To say Terry is like Jeff George would get a huge laugh from Roger Staubach himself.
To compare Ken Anderson’s completion percentage to Terry Bradshaw’s is like comparing Joe Namath’s total yards per season in the 60’s with Bob Griese’s in the early 70’s.
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Bradshaw is basically what Jeff George would look like given two HOF receivers, HOF RB, best offensive line, and an all time defense bailing out his plentiful mistakes and inaccurate bad throws.
Jeff George? How about Mike Kruczek? As already confirmed by @4for4, he outplayed Bradshaw. I think even Uncle Rico would have a ring or two if he was surrounded by as much talent as Bradshaw was.
This is for you @thisistheshow - Jim Rice was actually a pretty good player.
I can just imagine swell driving Staubach and Manning to the airport and saying to them Bradshaw was like George. I can’t stop laughing thinking of the response he gets from them. 😂
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I can just imagine swell driving Staubach and Manning to the airport and saying to them Bradshaw was like George. I can’t stop laughing thinking of the response he gets from them. 😂
Bradshaw is basically what Jeff George would look like given two HOF receivers, HOF RB, best offensive line, and an all time defense bailing out his plentiful mistakes and inaccurate bad throws.
Jeff George? How about Mike Kruczek? As already confirmed by @4for4, he outplayed Bradshaw. I think even Uncle Rico would have a ring or two if he was surrounded by as much talent as Bradshaw was.
George was probably more accurate, so yeah you may be right.
Just like @4for4 method that puts all those hockey players with more rings than Bobby Orr as being better than Orr. `
Bradshaw is basically what Jeff George would look like given two HOF receivers, HOF RB, best offensive line, and an all time defense bailing out his plentiful mistakes and inaccurate bad throws.
Jeff George? How about Mike Kruczek? As already confirmed by @4for4, he outplayed Bradshaw. I think even Uncle Rico would have a ring or two if he was surrounded by as much talent as Bradshaw was.
George was probably more accurate, so yeah you may be right.
Just like @4for4 method that puts all those hockey players with more rings than Bobby Orr as being better than Orr. `
Lol. I saw the mocking Dallas comments in your post.
Kruczek was a 2nd round pick who never beat Terry for the starting job.
However……………………
When he went to Cincinnati and played against Anderson’s better Bengals team during that year where he played great for us, our defense was allowing only 10 points per game.
Anderson only got 3 points…..
At home…….
With a better team……..
And Kruczek had a better QB rating that day in Cincinnati !!!!
Go Steelers !!!!!!
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I can just imagine swell driving Staubach and Manning to the airport and saying to them Bradshaw was like George. I can’t stop laughing thinking of the response he gets from them. 😂
....
Who sits shotgun?
Dallas 😂
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The only person on the forum stupid enough to not already know this has blocked you, so he won't see it. Now that's funny!
Eh, you play in nearly 3x as many Super Bowls, you're bound to have some that aren't amazing. Maybe Terry should've pretended the 1976 AFC title game was a Super Bowl.
In 19 playoff games, Bradshaw had a rating under 60 in 5 of them - 26%
In 23 playoff games, Joe Montana had a rating of 60.0 or lower in 4 of them - 17%
In 48 playoff games, Tom Brady had a rating under 60 in 5 of them - 10%
Um, if you say so
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You do understand that Joe Montana played in the most highly efficient passing offense where defensive coaches couldn’t figure out how to stop it ?
Similar to how defensive coaches couldn’t figure out Shula’s trap blocking counter run game in the early 70’s which made Csonka and Kiick more efficient.
You do understand the huge difference between pass efficiency stats between Brady’s and Bradshaw’s era ?
3 receivers to 5 in patterns
3 step drop to shotgun
Rule changes to protect the QB
Throw mostly on 3rd and 8+ to
Throwing on 1st or 2nd and 5.
Please never use efficiencies numbers when comparing QB’s from the 50’s-70’s to the 80’s onwards.
Only compare as Perkdog has rightly said decade to decade.
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Thank you.
You as well.
I’ve seen a lifetime of chaos to last me two lifetimes already.
I simply don’t want it anymore.
I’m not hostile towards those who enjoy mockery, insults, and saying nasty things against others. I’d just rather have kindness and respect. Live and let live.
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Even comparing Bradshaw to his contemporaries in the 70’s is difficult.
I’d love to see the numbers on
Griese and Bradshaw compared to
Tarkenton, Staubach, Stabler and Anderson’s.
Shula and Noll dominated the 70’s with the run. Terry and Bob played in the worst passing environment not only in the 70’s but perhaps NFL history with those two coaches.
Otto Graham and the guys in the 60’s probably threw more.
Hadl and Namath in the 60’s threw all game long as did many other teams.
Shula and Noll ran the ball.
Shula I think averaged 50 run and 10 pass. Noll maybe 40 - 20 but Noll and Shula did change eventually.
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If your test score is 85.3 and my test score is 84.9, who’s test score is better?
If the Knicks score 111 points and the Nets score 110 points which team was better?
In my world the better score is the best.
In your world those examples are “basically the same “.
Your world is not how sports works.
There are winners and losers in these games of inches.
Eli had a better QB rating, or test score, in both SB games.
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A lot of college teams ran the football in the 70’s and 60’s more strictly then Shula and Noll.
Oklahoma was a great team in the 70’s and champ I believe a few years.
Look how many times they threw the ball against arch rival Nebraska this game.
You’ll see this often in many of the run dominated offenses back then.
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Again in 1974
#1 team in the country
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stop making sense here.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
From 1975-1979(Pittsburgh Super Bowl span)
Pittsburgh averaged 603 run attempts per year
Dallas averaged 575 run attempts per year
28 more run attempts per year than Dallas. Two more run attempts per game. Is that really enough to explain away how much more efficient Staubach was in the passing game than Bradshaw?
As per compared to the rest of the league, both pittsuburgh and Dallas were running more. That is a function of two thiings. 1)good running game/offensive line...both of which make it easier for Bradshaw to pass when he did.
2) They were winning more often than most teams in the league late in the game so naturally they will run more than the average team.
Your points comparing running/passing to the league now are certainly true. It is a different game with some different rules, but you are over blowing it in that time to try and explain away Bradshaw's less than stellar passing efficiency(in his time).
The Super Bowl stuff. You would really base four games as proof of anything? Like Tabe said, then why didn't Bradshaw play better in the earlier rounds in the other years so he could get to more Super Bowls? Did he not realize that if they won those playoff games that he would then be in the Super Bowl more?
Don't forget the teammates.
At what point do you give Lynn Swann credit for some of those pass completions in the Super Bowl that Bradshaw is getting ALL the credit for?
At what point does Jackie Smith dropping a touchdown pass get 'negative' credit toward Staubach, instead of Staubach receiving all that blame in both his stats and the win or loss in that game?
Etc... Why bother electing any other Steeler to the HOF if Bradshaw is getting all the credit for all the 'rings'? You are giving Bradshaw all the credit is that is your main point in giving him the nod as being better than other superior QB's in Bradshaw's own time.
good point on the similarity of rushing attempts between the two teams. I didnt realize it was so close.
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Sorry. Where did I say I was giving Bradshaw all the credit ?
You said I’m giving him all the credit.
I believe I said Miami and Pittsburgh had a great run game, the best in the 70’s.
I’ve also said Staubach was as good as Bradshaw in the 70’s, but he did worse in the two SB losses against him.
Roger threw out of the shotgun much more with Landry also.
IMO his throw to Smith was low and
Could have been higher.
I’ve never touched on the greatness of Mike Webster. We all know how great our defense was.
Noll was a great coach. The best.
Why didn’t Bradshaw play better in the years he lost is a curious question.
He won the most in the 70’s.
Does that mean he should win every year ?
Did Montana win 5 in the 80’s ?
Why didn’t he play better the years he lost ?
Forgive me, but the question is a strange one.
In baseball you hit the ball 3 out of 10 times if you’re great.
4 out of 10 is incredible.
4 out of 10 SB wins in a decade is considered incredible also.
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We all know that from 1970-1974 Terry was not a great QB.
From 1975-1980 he was.
Swann helping with the deep ball Terry loved to throw.
He was unbeaten against Roger with both having similar teams and he outplayed him each time.
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In the late 1970’s Roger was more effective against the bottom feeders then Terry.
Terry was more effective against the top of the league and against Roger himself.
Roger was better in stats in that respect, but not better in the big games like Terry.
Thus Bradshaw #1 All Decade Team
Staubach #2
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Jackie Smith didn’t play in this Super Bowl.
I don’t care about how Roger and Terry did against Atlanta and Detroit that year.
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Margins were thin.
Every play counted.
Roger’s 3 INTs cost the Cowboys the Super Bowl.
Bradshaw had a lifetime 83 QB rate in all postseason games.
Staubach had a 76 QB rate in all his postseason games.
Stabler also had an 83 postseason playoff rate.
Margins were thin.
Like I said, I don’t care that Roger did better against Detroit and Atlanta.
Always felt the Raiders were better then us because of B and B.
No one had a duo like those two.
The Raiders scared me to death.
Loved watching them play too.
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@4for4 You are giving Bradshaw all the credit. You just aren't seeing how.
In Jackie Smith's drop you blame Staubauch saying the throw was low. You give a mention of Swann and his contributions, but no mention how he made catches on throws that were less than perfect...giving. Bradshaw the credit for getting balls into the vicinity.
Seems when it goes bad you blame the other team's QB....except for Terry.
Did Bradshaw ever win a Super Bowl with a defense in the bottom half of the league in points allowed? Fact is, without that defense he doesn't win a single Super Bowl and you would have nothing to stand on to say that Bradshaw was the best QB, because everything you point to is because he had great teammates or he just happened to have good games in the Super Bowl, yet you ignore the bad games he had in the playoffs as if they only matter in the Super Bowl.
I will ask again, why did Bradshaw not just play in the regular season or early rounds of the playoffs like he did in the Super Bowl? so he can get to more Super Bowls?
Are you saying that Bradshaw was psychic and he knew his teams would win with less than Super Bowl level play from him?
Are you saying that Bradshaw was stupid because he did not realize that winning more early round playoff games and more regular season games would lead to MORE Super Bowls?
So why was his performance so much worse compared to his Super Bowl performance? Was he dumb or psychic? Or maybe just lucky that plays went his way in the Super Bowl and he just didn't make any errors as much as all his other games.
Bradshaw got lucky in a few games that were on TV. That doesn't make hime the best. If not lucky then he was either dumb or psychic for not playing as well in the games leading up to getting to MORE Super Bowls.
Sorry.
I’m so sorry.
You must of missed the stat that showed Bradshaw and Stabler an 83 postseason QB rate and Staubach in the 70’s.
Nice chatting.
We’re beating a dead horse now.
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@4for4 aside from Bradshaw getting lucky in a few Super Bowls where he didn't make costly mistakes and he had a great team, he was lucky to even get to three of the Super Bowls his team won. Yes. lucky he had a great team that bailed his poor play out that most QB's in the league did not have that luxury.
1974 @oakland in the AFC championship game the Steelers bail Bradshaw's poor QB playing. Steelers won in spite of Bradshaw. 8 of 17 for 95 yards. 1 TD and 1 INT. An abysmal 4.12 yards per attempt. Their team won despite him.
1975 vs Oakland in AFC championship game as well, Steelers win 16-10 with poor play by Bradshaw.
Bradshaw 15-25, 215 yds. THREE interceptions. 1 TD. An abysmal 4.0 yds per attempt. Brutal. They bailed him out of his three interceptions.
You see, every other QB in the league would have losses next to those playoff games with that type of play, but they did not have the best supporting cast in history bailing him out and even giving him a shot to play in the Super Bowl.
1979/80, he was bailed out. AFC championship game again. The very first drive Pittsburgh is driving, and on 3rd and 4 at the Houston 35 yard line, Bradshaw throws a pick six. YES, he threw an interception that went back for a touchdown. For most QB's in the playoffs, that would be a death knell against another elite team. Not for Bradshaw. His team was so good that it didn't matter.
The Steeler defense held Earl Campbell to 17 carries for 15 yards in that game.
Pittsburgh wins 27-13, and they added that final touchdown in final drive running out the clock, so this game was most certainly loseable and close. Getting saved by that pick six with great defense.
All world Campbell held to nothing by the defense and you are acting as if Bradshaw is the reason they won the Super Bowl that year just because Bradshaw was lucky not to make those costly mistakes he always made, but just not the few games in the Super Bowl?
This is Bradshaw walking off the field after throwing the pick six on that horrible pass,
Bradshaw was fortunate to have EVEN BEEN in any of the Super Bowls, only because he was bailed out by having superior teammates and good fortune for him in the Super Bowl, a luxury other QB's didn't have where when they played poorly they got eliminated.
If your overly focused on QB rating and ignoring all the other stats and what happened in the game sure. If you want to think Eli was better in those games because of one stat nothing I can point out will change your mind
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Of course.
Of course.
YOU understand that a passer rating under 60 would be awful in any era, don't you?
Sucks when stats work against your argument, doesn't it?
How about explaining that 1976 AFC title game? Or the 1975 that Pitt somehow won? Or the first round in 1977?
Ok, no problem. In the 1970s, Bradshaw - who was a starter in every season for at least half the games - finished top 10 in passer rating a whopping four times, top 5 twice. Bob Griese hit top 10 in eight of the nine seasons he played enough in the 70s, top 5 three times, leading once.
And on a team with nowhere near as good a supporting cast, Ken Anderson finished top 10 six times (out of eight seasons played), top 5 three times, and finished first twice. If there exists an argument that Terry Bradshaw was a better QB than Ken Anderson, it is a lousy argument.
C'mon, he won four Super Bowls. He was Mr. January!
Fun fact: Terry played 167 games at QB (we'll ignore the 168th game where he didn't attempt a pass) in the regular season. In 60 of them, his passer rating was 60.0 or lower. That's 36% of his games. Again, even in the 1970s, 60.0 was terrible.
from a human perspective, i worry about Bradshaw. he's always been painful to listen to, but it was next-level stuff when he was stumbling thru the highlights last weekend. i'm wondering if it's CTE-related.
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Careful, you're going to get yourself on @4for4's Wall of Shame.
Given the teammates Bradshaw had around him, you'd think 60.0 would be more or less the floor.
I think Terry Bradshaw is a terrific guy, and I'd love to meet him. The evidence that he was a terrific QB, however, simply does not exist.
Oh there's plenty of evidence if you actually watched the games. You don't win 3 MVP awards just because you have a cool name.
Terry Bradshaw was AMAZING!!
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Correct.
Bradshaw is basically what Jeff George would look like given two HOF receivers, HOF RB, best offensive line, and an all time defense bailing out his plentiful mistakes and inaccurate bad throws.
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In 1971 Bradshaw had a 54% completion percentage with no Swann or Stallworth on a 5-8-0 team.
This was the year before Franco came and Noll went to Shula’s run game. Franco came in 1972 and look at Terry’s attempts from 72-75.
Also look at how his attempts rose after they figured out Shula-Nolls trap blocking counter run game and Swann and Stallworths arrival.
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Now look at Ken Anderson’s completion percentages on teams with a 5-8-0 record and no Swann or Stallworth like receiving.
See any difference?
No you don’t.
You see Anderson struggling worse on a 10-4-0 team also.
You simply have a bias that doesn’t permit you to see the truth.
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Bradshaw interceptions not much different.
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Again.
Bradshaw threw on mostly 3rd and 8 or more his entire career while Anderson threw plenty on first and second and five plenty.
Just go watch his Super Bowl where he lost the game for his team because of his picks he threw.
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For anyone to say Terry was anything other then a 1st team 1970’s All Decade QB as voted by the HOF committee shows that they know very little about the game back then.
To say Terry is like Jeff George would get a huge laugh from Roger Staubach himself.
To compare Ken Anderson’s completion percentage to Terry Bradshaw’s is like comparing Joe Namath’s total yards per season in the 60’s with Bob Griese’s in the early 70’s.
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Have a good day everyone.
No sense discussing this any longer.
The thoughts here are not in line with the experts from that era.
Have a good one.
The experts took Bradshaw as the first pick in the 1970 draft.
Anderson much later the following year. Everyone knew Terry would be great. Lol. Jeff George. Lol.
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Jeff George? How about Mike Kruczek? As already confirmed by @4for4, he outplayed Bradshaw. I think even Uncle Rico would have a ring or two if he was surrounded by as much talent as Bradshaw was.
One last thought.
2 pick Archie Manning should be #4 on the 1970’s All Decade Team.
Guy was incredible and put up incredible numbers.
Best dual threat QB in the 70’s bar none.
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To conclude my final thoughts NFL.com has ranked the best all time #1 draft pick QB’s in NFL history.
Bradshaw is #1
(Now why wasn’t Jeff George voted #1)
https://www.nfl.com/photos/top-20-quarterbacks-who-went-no-1-overall-in-nfl-draft-0ap3000000479381
I can just imagine swell driving Staubach and Manning to the airport and saying to them Bradshaw was like George. I can’t stop laughing thinking of the response he gets from them. 😂
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....
Who sits shotgun?
George was probably more accurate, so yeah you may be right.
Just like @4for4 method that puts all those hockey players with more rings than Bobby Orr as being better than Orr. `
I am getting the sneaky suspicion that Terry Bradshaw is morphing into Bobby Orr.
I will be keeping a very close watch on this turn of events...
George Brett, Roger Clemens and Tommy Brady.
Lol. I saw the mocking Dallas comments in your post.
Kruczek was a 2nd round pick who never beat Terry for the starting job.
However……………………
When he went to Cincinnati and played against Anderson’s better Bengals team during that year where he played great for us, our defense was allowing only 10 points per game.
Anderson only got 3 points…..
At home…….
With a better team……..
And Kruczek had a better QB rating that day in Cincinnati !!!!
Go Steelers !!!!!!
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Dallas 😂
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Please post more on this subject swell as I am getting a great laugh out of this now.
Really enjoying myself here more and more.
Nothing personal. It’s just fun stuff.
Very entertaining.
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What’s next ?
Franco was just like Rocky ?
My man !
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Yeah, kind of like Rocky as he is strong...had big shoulders from carrying the mistake laden Bradshaw to points and victories.