I have had a couple problems recently on variety attribution at NGC. first one was a 58/7 flyer, sent it in for attribution and paid for it, they didn't attribute it correctly. Being it was a f+ cleaned,, I just sold it on ebay like it was, guy who bought it, agreed with me, got rick to help get it labeled correctly. probably left some money on table, but good for the buyer.
recently submitted a small motto 64 2c , came back large, send it back in twice and finally got them to realize what they were missing.
It’s probably just a newer grader who saw the missing date and then didn’t check for a variety. They don’t see submission forms, so it’s a logical mistake when you’re doing hundreds of coins in a day. Probably a receiving department issue.
To everyone ripping on NGC’s variety department and saying go to PCGS - PCGS has gotten about 50% of varieties I have sent in right - even when I have specified the coin’s variety. NGC has never gotten it wrong for me. I’d advise the OP to reach out to Lisa on the NGC forums and she’ll probably be able to help you get this fixed. I don’t see why NGC wouldn’t be willing to fix this free of charge.
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@isamucoinandcurrency said:
OMG. I always hear "Listen to the experts when we give our sacred opinions", but all I hear is "we are smarter than the real experts". Sounds like "I am gonna ask mom because I don't like the answer that dad gave me". Take your worn out nickel to a coin show "as is" and see what it is worth. I can already see the line forming to take a look.
@MarkKelley I am wrong. This coin should be submitted for a Gold Bean +++ with a Star thrown in for good measure. I guess a Details grade is better than nothing.
@isamucoinandcurrency said: @MarkKelley I am wrong. This coin should be submitted for a Gold Bean +++ with a Star thrown in for good measure. I guess a Details grade is better than nothing.
Can I ask you, your responses so far have been…..well interesting. Just curious, did you actually think this was not what it was, or are you actually understanding what this coin is? I find it strange sometimes that comments as you have made in this thread could have an impact on future collectors viewing this thread. What are you really trying to add here? Either way, doesn’t reflect well.
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@Vetter said:
Update in my original post. NGC is fixing it.
Given the outcome perhaps it would be a good idea to edit your thread title, it was a bit over the top, especially given how they are taking care of the issue.
@Vetter said:
Update in my original post. NGC is fixing it.
Given the outcome perhaps it would be a good idea to edit your thread title, it was a bit over the top, especially given how they are taking care of the issue.
Good point, everyone can make mistakes. We don’t want to look like we bash the “other side”. Though I do not believe that was the OP intention!
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Their failure to do proper attribution really shows what looks like a significant slide in service. They are now opening mail the first week of last month! I just don't buy their excuses with turn-around times arbitrary and unreliable. Checking on an overdue submission they say someone was sick in receiving or the hurricane slowed them down. All the submission flow rates are predictable and standard operating procedure. When they correct their failures do they pay shipping to and from and get the problem addressed quickly? I'd hate to see you send it back in and wait a month for it to even be acknowledged.
@logger7 said:
Their failure to do proper attribution really shows what looks like a significant slide in service. They are now opening mail the first week of last month! I just don't buy their excuses with turn-around times arbitrary and unreliable. Checking on an overdue submission they say someone was sick in receiving or the hurricane slowed them down. All the submission flow rates are predictable and standard operating procedure. When they correct their failures do they pay shipping to and from and get the problem addressed quickly? I'd hate to see you send it back in and wait a month for it to even be acknowledged.
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And PCGS magically has solved all of these issues?
Is it really that hard to hire staff to get these jobs done? Give incentive bonuses as they meet quotas, spend what you need to spend as a corporation to get the job done. Did they have these backlogs before the pandemic and before the hedge funds bought them out?
@logger7 said:
Is it really that hard to hire staff to get these jobs done? Give incentive bonuses as they meet quotas, spend what you need to spend as a corporation to get the job done. Did they have these backlogs before the pandemic and before the hedge funds bought them out?
Are you speaking about NGC, PCGS or both? Because if you’re talking about one and not the other, you’re being unfair and unrealistic.
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@1madman said:
I had a feeling NGC trolled these boards.
They really do have a great team over there
If you were being serious, how did you come to that conclusion? It wouldn’t be a surprise if someone contacted NGC about the issue and then NGC responded. In fact, I didn’t do so in this case but I’ve done it on occasion in the past. And I’m probably not the only one.
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@logger7 said:
Is it really that hard to hire staff to get these jobs done? Give incentive bonuses as they meet quotas, spend what you need to spend as a corporation to get the job done. Did they have these backlogs before the pandemic and before the hedge funds bought them out?
Are you speaking about NGC, PCGS or both? Because if you’re talking about one and not the other, you’re being unfair and unrealistic.
In my experience, the people that say that have never had to run a business.
You can hire 1000 people to open mail. It's not so easy to hire professional graders.
@isamucoinandcurrency said: @MarkKelley I am wrong. This coin should be submitted for a Gold Bean +++ with a Star thrown in for good measure. I guess a Details grade is better than nothing.
Then you'll lend me $2000?
Any fool who "guesses" that a coin worth $2000 is "better than nothing," doesn't have much need for $2000.
Funny when an "attitude" clowns someone, so they double down with more attitude and put on a clown show. As a scientist, I see that a lot these days.
@logger7 said:
Is it really that hard to hire staff to get these jobs done? Give incentive bonuses as they meet quotas, spend what you need to spend as a corporation to get the job done. Did they have these backlogs before the pandemic and before the hedge funds bought them out?
Are you speaking about NGC, PCGS or both? Because if you’re talking about one and not the other, you’re being unfair and unrealistic.
In my experience, the people that say that have never had to run a business.
You can hire 1000 people to open mail. It's not so easy to hire professional graders.
The delays I'm seeing at NGC, a month to open mail and a month waiting in line for a coin to be slabbed after grading and shipped are not the "professional" jobs of grading, etc.. Open mail under a camera, enter the order, put the order in line to grade. After it gets graded it gets in another cue to be slabbed, QC'd and shipped. It's hard to find people to do that at $30/hr or whatever would be an incentive?
@logger7 said:
Is it really that hard to hire staff to get these jobs done? Give incentive bonuses as they meet quotas, spend what you need to spend as a corporation to get the job done. Did they have these backlogs before the pandemic and before the hedge funds bought them out?
Are you speaking about NGC, PCGS or both? Because if you’re talking about one and not the other, you’re being unfair and unrealistic.
In my experience, the people that say that have never had to run a business.
You can hire 1000 people to open mail. It's not so easy to hire professional graders.
The delays I'm seeing at NGC, a month to open mail and a month waiting in line for a coin to be slabbed after grading and shipped are not the "professional" jobs of grading, etc.. Open mail under a camera, enter the order, put the order in line to grade. After it gets graded it gets in another cue to be slabbed, QC'd and shipped. It's hard to find people to do that at $30/hr or whatever would be an incentive?
But is that actually the bottle neck? I find it hard to believe that the graders are sitting around waiting for the mail room to send them something. There's simply no point in their queuing more up than is going through.
@logger7 said:
Is it really that hard to hire staff to get these jobs done? Give incentive bonuses as they meet quotas, spend what you need to spend as a corporation to get the job done. Did they have these backlogs before the pandemic and before the hedge funds bought them out?
Are you speaking about NGC, PCGS or both? Because if you’re talking about one and not the other, you’re being unfair and unrealistic.
In my experience, the people that say that have never had to run a business.
You can hire 1000 people to open mail. It's not so easy to hire professional graders.
The delays I'm seeing at NGC, a month to open mail and a month waiting in line for a coin to be slabbed after grading and shipped are not the "professional" jobs of grading, etc.. Open mail under a camera, enter the order, put the order in line to grade. After it gets graded it gets in another cue to be slabbed, QC'd and shipped. It's hard to find people to do that at $30/hr or whatever would be an incentive?
But is that actually the bottle neck? I find it hard to believe that the graders are sitting around waiting for the mail room to send them something. There's simply no point in their queuing more up than is going through.
The faster tiers are getting out the door more quickly and are bumping the slower tiers, I don't know any other explanation. They don't have enough people to open mail and do the order entry, etc.. They don't have enough people to do the slabbing and final steps of processing. I've been waiting many weeks for slabbing/shipping and they keep moving their target times.
@1madman said:
I had a feeling NGC trolled these boards.
They really do have a great team over there
If you were being serious, how did you come to that conclusion? It wouldn’t be a surprise if someone contacted NGC about the issue and then NGC responded. In fact, I didn’t do so in this case but I’ve done it on occasion in the past. And I’m probably not the only one.
The delays I'm seeing at NGC, a month to open mail and a month waiting in line for a coin to be slabbed after grading and shipped are not the "professional" jobs of grading, etc.. Open mail under a camera, enter the order, put the order in line to grade. After it gets graded it gets in another cue to be slabbed, QC'd and shipped. It's hard to find people to do that at $30/hr or whatever would be an incentive?
But is that actually the bottle neck? I find it hard to believe that the graders are sitting around waiting for the mail room to send them something. There's simply no point in their queuing more up than is going through.
The faster tiers are getting out the door more quickly and are bumping the slower tiers, I don't know any other explanation. They don't have enough people to open mail and do the order entry, etc.. They don't have enough people to do the slabbing and final steps of processing. I've been waiting many weeks for slabbing/shipping and they keep moving their target times.
I made three submissions to NGC at Summer FUN in mid-July.
The Standard submission US coins and the GSA holder submissions were back to me in less than a month. The Economy Foreign submission was back to me in about 5 weeks. No complaints here!
@isamucoinandcurrency said:
OMG. I always hear "Listen to the experts when we give our sacred opinions", but all I hear is "we are smarter than the real experts". Sounds like "I am gonna ask mom because I don't like the answer that dad gave me". Take your worn out nickel to a coin show "as is" and see what it is worth. I can already see the line forming to take a look.
The "real experts" are right here on this forum answering questions all the time. Dateless1916 quarters can also be identified by a slight difference in the design. No date needed. Even dateless rare coins can bring a lot of money if properly ID'ed by die.
@1madman said:
I had a feeling NGC trolled these boards.
They really do have a great team over there
If you were being serious, how did you come to that conclusion? It wouldn’t be a surprise if someone contacted NGC about the issue and then NGC responded. In fact, I didn’t do so in this case but I’ve done it on occasion in the past. And I’m probably not the only one.
Clearly you missed the joke
Clearly, I didn’t, which is why I said “If you were serious…”
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@isamucoinandcurrency said:
OMG. I always hear "Listen to the experts when we give our sacred opinions", but all I hear is "we are smarter than the real experts". Sounds like "I am gonna ask mom because I don't like the answer that dad gave me". Take your worn out nickel to a coin show "as is" and see what it is worth. I can already see the line forming to take a look.
Really???
I sooooooo want to put my cherrypicking hat on and look through isamuc's stuff for sale! LOL
The delays I'm seeing at NGC, a month to open mail and a month waiting in line for a coin to be slabbed after grading and shipped are not the "professional" jobs of grading, etc.. Open mail under a camera, enter the order, put the order in line to grade. After it gets graded it gets in another cue to be slabbed, QC'd and shipped. It's hard to find people to do that at $30/hr or whatever would be an incentive?
But is that actually the bottle neck? I find it hard to believe that the graders are sitting around waiting for the mail room to send them something. There's simply no point in their queuing more up than is going through.
The faster tiers are getting out the door more quickly and are bumping the slower tiers, I don't know any other explanation. They don't have enough people to open mail and do the order entry, etc.. They don't have enough people to do the slabbing and final steps of processing. I've been waiting many weeks for slabbing/shipping and they keep moving their target times.
I made three submissions to NGC at Summer FUN in mid-July.
The Standard submission US coins and the GSA holder submissions were back to me in less than a month. The Economy Foreign submission was back to me in about 5 weeks. No complaints here!
I had a similar experience back then, but circumstances have changes 180 degrees on their turn arounds. And I have no tolerance for arbitrary and capricious behavior by highly profitable companies like this. I'm trying a complaint with the Florida state department of consumer affairs on a number of changes with them I've noticed.
Perhaps it's just my eyesight, but I don't see doubling on the profile in the OP photo.
Compare it to the toyz4geo photo.
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@Keshequa said:
Perhaps it's just my eyesight, but I don't see doubling on the profile in the OP photo.
Compare it to the toyz4geo photo.
The profile doubling is machine doubling. Seen on some but not all 16 DDO’s. The feathers and ribbons are doubled on all as it’s in the die along with the date (worn away on mine)
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@Keshequa said:
Perhaps it's just my eyesight, but I don't see doubling on the profile in the OP photo.
Compare it to the toyz4geo photo.
The profile doubling is machine doubling. Seen on some but not all 16 DDO’s. The feathers and ribbons are doubled on all as it’s in the die along with the date (worn away on mine)
Thanks. Not my specialty, always room to learn. I hope they come around for you.
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@isamucoinandcurrency said: @MarkKelley I am wrong. This coin should be submitted for a Gold Bean +++ with a Star thrown in for good measure. I guess a Details grade is better than nothing.
Then you'll lend me $2000?
Any fool who "guesses" that a coin worth $2000 is "better than nothing," doesn't have much need for $2000.
Funny when an "attitude" clowns someone, so they double down with more attitude and put on a clown show. As a scientist, I see that a lot these days.
I'm willing to bet that @isamucoinandcurrency made a thread somewhere and didn't like the opinions he received about his coin- so now he has an attitude.
I think we all know why this stuff continues to happen not only at NGC but PCGS as well. So many moderns are being graded that they can't spend enough time on legitimate material these days.
@logger7 said:
Is it really that hard to hire staff to get these jobs done? Give incentive bonuses as they meet quotas, spend what you need to spend as a corporation to get the job done. Did they have these backlogs before the pandemic and before the hedge funds bought them out?
Are you speaking about NGC, PCGS or both? Because if you’re talking about one and not the other, you’re being unfair and unrealistic.
In my experience, the people that say that have never had to run a business.
You can hire 1000 people to open mail. It's not so easy to hire professional graders.
I cant necessarily agree with that logic. The reason I've been successful in my business is because I pay better than the competition. 3-4 years ago, id say the average weekly take home pay for employees was around $5-700. Well, we all know what happened in 2020 that turned the world upside down, and after that things were just never the same. The average weekly pay at my company now is probably about $900-$1100 weekly, and were doing just fine. Keep in mind that these are entry level positions for people with very limited education and experience. Some of my competitors, still trying to pay $600 week, are the ones crying that "nobody wants to work".
This can be applied to any factor involved in a bottleneck. Not enough mail openers? Hire more. Not enough qualified applicants for a position? Pay more. Vendor relationship not working out? Replace them, and go with the company that charges more money but delivers on time. Sometimes you have to throw some money at your problems to make them go away and get the job done. People are tired of hearing excuses. I'm not ragging on NGC either, this goes for all of them.
I'm sure that some of the skills that people in receiving, order entry, slabbing and shipping take a while to learn and have to be done well, but after a while most skills become second nature after the initial trial by fire so to speak. Most of us have worked a lot of different jobs, and I personally believe I could teach almost anyone to do what I'm skilled at.
Grade is up and pictures are posted. I’m still waiting to receive it but I tip my hat to NGC for making it right.
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Just my opinion but I can’t see paying good money for a dateless coin. The whole fun in owning such a coin is to see the doubling in the date. I know some collectors may need it as a cheap filler to their set.
@Walkerlover said:
Just my opinion but I can’t see paying good money for a dateless coin. The whole fun in owning such a coin is to see the doubling in the date. I know some collectors may need it as a cheap filler to their set.
I generally agree. The exception would be a very rare one-year type coin such as a chain cent.
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@Walkerlover said:
Just my opinion but I can’t see paying good money for a dateless coin. The whole fun in owning such a coin is to see the doubling in the date. I know some collectors may need it as a cheap filler to their set.
Agreed, but some low grade completionists may want it to "complete" their set. The only way I would have one of these is if I found one in a dateless buffalo nickel purchase, and even then I would ebay it right away.
I don't get why there is so much fear of Nic-a-date. It seems to me the fun in owning a coin like a 1916 DDO is in being able to actually see the dramatic error. The key to getting a good result with Nic-a-date is to remove oil from the coin before applying the Nic-a-date chemical to the date. Acetone will do this. I've got Nic-a-date treated buffalo nickels that look great with all the date digits popping out and no dark discoloration from the Nic-a-date.
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I'm wondering why your coin does not have the doubled profile like the Pcgs graded coin shown.
Maybe the summer students were on duty at the time.
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Might be the photo. But a good question.
Here's one, graded AG3 by NGC, with an illegible date sold by stacks:
https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/lots/view/3-N4GQZ/1916-buffalo-nickel-fs-101-doubled-die-obverse-ag-3-ngc
Why not submit it to PCGS ?
The value would be higher and the coin more saleable, correct ?
I have had a couple problems recently on variety attribution at NGC. first one was a 58/7 flyer, sent it in for attribution and paid for it, they didn't attribute it correctly. Being it was a f+ cleaned,, I just sold it on ebay like it was, guy who bought it, agreed with me, got rick to help get it labeled correctly. probably left some money on table, but good for the buyer.
recently submitted a small motto 64 2c , came back large, send it back in twice and finally got them to realize what they were missing.
It’s probably just a newer grader who saw the missing date and then didn’t check for a variety. They don’t see submission forms, so it’s a logical mistake when you’re doing hundreds of coins in a day. Probably a receiving department issue.
To everyone ripping on NGC’s variety department and saying go to PCGS - PCGS has gotten about 50% of varieties I have sent in right - even when I have specified the coin’s variety. NGC has never gotten it wrong for me. I’d advise the OP to reach out to Lisa on the NGC forums and she’ll probably be able to help you get this fixed. I don’t see why NGC wouldn’t be willing to fix this free of charge.
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Update in my original post. NGC is fixing it.
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Good to hear!
This coin is just a victim of the 10-15 second average examination time, likely done by a newbie grader. NGC will fix it for you.
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Really???
That's machine doubling in addition to the doubled die.
I'm glad to hear the NGC is correcting it for you.
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@MarkKelley I am wrong. This coin should be submitted for a Gold Bean +++ with a Star thrown in for good measure. I guess a Details grade is better than nothing.
Not surprised to see this from NGC, sometimes all you have to do is give someone the benefit of the doubt.
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I had a feeling NGC trolled these boards.
They really do have a great team over there
Can I ask you, your responses so far have been…..well interesting. Just curious, did you actually think this was not what it was, or are you actually understanding what this coin is? I find it strange sometimes that comments as you have made in this thread could have an impact on future collectors viewing this thread. What are you really trying to add here? Either way, doesn’t reflect well.
Given the outcome perhaps it would be a good idea to edit your thread title, it was a bit over the top, especially given how they are taking care of the issue.
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Good point, everyone can make mistakes. We don’t want to look like we bash the “other side”. Though I do not believe that was the OP intention!
Their failure to do proper attribution really shows what looks like a significant slide in service. They are now opening mail the first week of last month! I just don't buy their excuses with turn-around times arbitrary and unreliable. Checking on an overdue submission they say someone was sick in receiving or the hurricane slowed them down. All the submission flow rates are predictable and standard operating procedure. When they correct their failures do they pay shipping to and from and get the problem addressed quickly? I'd hate to see you send it back in and wait a month for it to even be acknowledged.
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And PCGS magically has solved all of these issues?
My last PCGS order took over half a year...
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Is it really that hard to hire staff to get these jobs done? Give incentive bonuses as they meet quotas, spend what you need to spend as a corporation to get the job done. Did they have these backlogs before the pandemic and before the hedge funds bought them out?
Are you speaking about NGC, PCGS or both? Because if you’re talking about one and not the other, you’re being unfair and unrealistic.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
If you were being serious, how did you come to that conclusion? It wouldn’t be a surprise if someone contacted NGC about the issue and then NGC responded. In fact, I didn’t do so in this case but I’ve done it on occasion in the past. And I’m probably not the only one.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
In my experience, the people that say that have never had to run a business.
You can hire 1000 people to open mail. It's not so easy to hire professional graders.
Then you'll lend me $2000?
Any fool who "guesses" that a coin worth $2000 is "better than nothing," doesn't have much need for $2000.
Funny when an "attitude" clowns someone, so they double down with more attitude and put on a clown show. As a scientist, I see that a lot these days.
The delays I'm seeing at NGC, a month to open mail and a month waiting in line for a coin to be slabbed after grading and shipped are not the "professional" jobs of grading, etc.. Open mail under a camera, enter the order, put the order in line to grade. After it gets graded it gets in another cue to be slabbed, QC'd and shipped. It's hard to find people to do that at $30/hr or whatever would be an incentive?
But is that actually the bottle neck? I find it hard to believe that the graders are sitting around waiting for the mail room to send them something. There's simply no point in their queuing more up than is going through.
The faster tiers are getting out the door more quickly and are bumping the slower tiers, I don't know any other explanation. They don't have enough people to open mail and do the order entry, etc.. They don't have enough people to do the slabbing and final steps of processing. I've been waiting many weeks for slabbing/shipping and they keep moving their target times.
Clearly you missed the joke
I made three submissions to NGC at Summer FUN in mid-July.
The Standard submission US coins and the GSA holder submissions were back to me in less than a month. The Economy Foreign submission was back to me in about 5 weeks. No complaints here!
The "real experts" are right here on this forum answering questions all the time. Dateless1916 quarters can also be identified by a slight difference in the design. No date needed. Even dateless rare coins can bring a lot of money if properly ID'ed by die.
Clearly, I didn’t, which is why I said “If you were serious…”
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I sooooooo want to put my cherrypicking hat on and look through isamuc's stuff for sale! LOL
I had a similar experience back then, but circumstances have changes 180 degrees on their turn arounds. And I have no tolerance for arbitrary and capricious behavior by highly profitable companies like this. I'm trying a complaint with the Florida state department of consumer affairs on a number of changes with them I've noticed.
Perhaps it's just my eyesight, but I don't see doubling on the profile in the OP photo.
Compare it to the toyz4geo photo.
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The profile doubling is machine doubling. Seen on some but not all 16 DDO’s. The feathers and ribbons are doubled on all as it’s in the die along with the date (worn away on mine)
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Thanks. Not my specialty, always room to learn. I hope they come around for you.
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I'm willing to bet that @isamucoinandcurrency made a thread somewhere and didn't like the opinions he received about his coin- so now he has an attitude.
RIP Mom- 1932-2012
I think we all know why this stuff continues to happen not only at NGC but PCGS as well. So many moderns are being graded that they can't spend enough time on legitimate material these days.
I cant necessarily agree with that logic. The reason I've been successful in my business is because I pay better than the competition. 3-4 years ago, id say the average weekly take home pay for employees was around $5-700. Well, we all know what happened in 2020 that turned the world upside down, and after that things were just never the same. The average weekly pay at my company now is probably about $900-$1100 weekly, and were doing just fine. Keep in mind that these are entry level positions for people with very limited education and experience. Some of my competitors, still trying to pay $600 week, are the ones crying that "nobody wants to work".
This can be applied to any factor involved in a bottleneck. Not enough mail openers? Hire more. Not enough qualified applicants for a position? Pay more. Vendor relationship not working out? Replace them, and go with the company that charges more money but delivers on time. Sometimes you have to throw some money at your problems to make them go away and get the job done. People are tired of hearing excuses. I'm not ragging on NGC either, this goes for all of them.
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I'm sure that some of the skills that people in receiving, order entry, slabbing and shipping take a while to learn and have to be done well, but after a while most skills become second nature after the initial trial by fire so to speak. Most of us have worked a lot of different jobs, and I personally believe I could teach almost anyone to do what I'm skilled at.
Grade is up and pictures are posted. I’m still waiting to receive it but I tip my hat to NGC for making it right.
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Well done, and kudos for making it right!
Just my opinion but I can’t see paying good money for a dateless coin. The whole fun in owning such a coin is to see the doubling in the date. I know some collectors may need it as a cheap filler to their set.
I generally agree. The exception would be a very rare one-year type coin such as a chain cent.
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While there was only one die for this coin, some examples exhibit profile doubling, others don't. I've owned both types.
Simple mistake, simple fix. Kudos to NGC.
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Agreed, but some low grade completionists may want it to "complete" their set. The only way I would have one of these is if I found one in a dateless buffalo nickel purchase, and even then I would ebay it right away.
I don't get why there is so much fear of Nic-a-date. It seems to me the fun in owning a coin like a 1916 DDO is in being able to actually see the dramatic error. The key to getting a good result with Nic-a-date is to remove oil from the coin before applying the Nic-a-date chemical to the date. Acetone will do this. I've got Nic-a-date treated buffalo nickels that look great with all the date digits popping out and no dark discoloration from the Nic-a-date.
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