NGC made it right 1916 ddo Buffalo
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So I sent in a small submission to NGC including this coin. I did well with the others but this one came back as “ILLEGIBLE DATE” and not slabbed. Now, anyone with a little knowledge of Buffalo Nickels would be able to determine that this is the 1916 DDO. Even without the date the doubling of the feathers and ribbons give it away. I’m sure they have slabbed their fair share of 1916 SLQ without a date based on the other characteristics, so why not this one? Am I wrong?
Also, I refuse to nic-a-date it.
UPDATE….I was contacted by Paul Sandler NGC in regards to this coin. It is being shipped back for reevaluation free of charge. I’m not sure how he heard about this but I am grateful that it looks like this will be taken care of.
NGC made it right.
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Did you try calling them? For a coin like this, I would include a note explaining "While the date is worn off, it can be easily identified as a 1916/16 DDO based on the doubling of the feathers." Apparently, they don't routinely look for rare varieties on dateless buffalo nickels. That's a very nice coin and well worth the cost of getting it slabbed.
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Yeah, I'd call them. Nice looking coin and clearly a 1916. Congrats.
Maybe you gotta pay the Mint Error Fee ($18)?
I just looked it up, and they don’t charge the $18 variety fee for this coin. And they’ve graded 3 in poor/ag so I bet those have unreadable dates too. Should be able to get this fixed, just gonna need to talk to the right person over there. (Might be best to do it at a show where they can help resubmit it without charging again)
Are you guys serious? Now you’re going to make me look at all of my dateless buffalos? 🤬
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Looks like PMD. Sometimes people just see what they want to see. Needs to go back to the parking lot or washing machine where it was found.
And sometimes people make negative comments about rare/valuable coins without knowing their variety markers.
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Wow, really! Sometimes it’s better to be quiet than to show just how much you don’t know. This being one of those times.
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If this was apr 1st I'd bring a new loupe but I wont
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Did u post the same question on the NGC Forum... And their responses was ? If any?
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I did but there is no one in till Tuesday. Hopefully I’ll get an answer then.
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Like @retirednow said, try posting on the NGC Forum and get their response.
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Wow.
I’d call them Tuesday.
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They're out there, peeps.
Somewhere in the tons of dateless Buffs that everyone dismisses. there are many diamonds in the rough just waiting for someone to notice them.
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That's an interesting nickname. I'm not sure I'd call them that.
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When submitted, did you note it as 1916 DDO and value it accordingly??
I sure did. The funny thing is I also submitted a 37 D 3 leg and never noted it but that got slabbed as a 3 leg.
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Given that information, they clearly should have known it was submitted as the DDO Variety and should have checked it as such. I would assume that a grader at NGC would know the PUP's and could see them.
To my way of thinking and with the information provided NGC should re-grade the coin and encapsulate it free of ALL charges after some contact with their customer service.
Their default is "ILLEGIBLE DATE - If the exact date cannot be determined for any reason, then the coin is not eligible for grading"..
Just the 1916 ones
I've got a few dateless (due to errors) Lincolns in ANACS slabs that are slabbed with a date because of other attributions that made only one date possible. When I sent the coins in, I included the documentation knowing it wasn't obvious. I'd certainly call NGC, but perhaps in the future a note pointing out the additional diagnostics could be helpful.
The NGC form was filled out wrong. Even though the $18 fee isn’t charged, you still should have checked the variety plus box on line 1 and wrote FS-101 next to it.
I was about to cuss NGC
However 1madman is absolutely right. Those boxes needed to be checked or they will not process it correctly. I would have called them and informed them after processing the order to inform them before they sent it back
That sucks tho
This is the reply from NGC.
“ Thank you for reaching out to us. If the exact date cannot be determined for any reason, the coin is not eligible for grading. Unfortunately, coins with heavy wear or damage may not be able to be properly dated. The final determination as to whether a coin will qualify for grading is at the discretion of the graders. ”
Pretty sad if you ask me.
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you should reply 'some coins like the 1916/1916 buffalo. the 1937-D 3 legged buffalo, and the 1916 standing liberty quarter do not need dates to be properly attributed'.
Take this coin and all the paperwork associated with it to the next coin show where NGC is set up and talk to whoever is in charge.
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That looks like a standard reply not a specific reply. What did you actually send them to prompt that reply? Photos? A reference to the PUPs?
Also just to name a few more: The 1793 half cent and large cent.
I'm sucking down a tumbler of "PCGS Kool-aid" and wondering why you wasted your time and money sending this to NGC in the first place?? I think they are quite a good TPG, have coins/exonumia in their capsules and on occasion even use their services, but...................I have had most of my flip-out TPG moments via NGC. I still use them and like them, but my preference is PCGS and you should probably just send the coin to them.
OMG. I always hear "Listen to the experts when we give our sacred opinions", but all I hear is "we are smarter than the real experts". Sounds like "I am gonna ask mom because I don't like the answer that dad gave me". Take your worn out nickel to a coin show "as is" and see what it is worth. I can already see the line forming to take a look.
Wow, someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning. You do realize that his "worn out nickel" has a PCGS price guide value of $2,000 even in PO1 don't you?
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This is one of those times when it might be best to just listen and learn.
You are apparently still oblivious to what is being discussed here. (As was I the first time I saw a thread on dateless 1916 DDO nickels being discussed, but I opted to learn from it).
If they don't respond here, I don't blame them.
That’s a good thing, considering that they don’t post here.
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RIP David Lange, he would have helped on this one.
Possibly Rick Montgomery or Scott Schechter could help with this.
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...I can see clearly now the date is gone...
That's weird. I clearly see a date but it's 1912.
To anyone familiar with the PUPs, over $1000 for sure. You'd, of course, miss the line and the score.
I was going to comment "maybe they see it's a doubled die but that might not necessarily mean it's specifically a 1916", but seeing that PCGS has stabbed dateless 1916 DDOs means that there's enough die markers on that coin to establish a date. Very surprised they're taking this stand
Probably better shot to get it done at a show where they are grading on site. At this point NGC is opening mail from the first week on August! So after spending your money and all that time you were left with nothing.
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