i dont understand were you out any money? if so im so sorry for you but if your not out money all i can say is pull the trigger sooner next time iv had things shot out from under me for 30 plus years and all i can say is i should have acted sooner
A seller can have his inventory up for sale in a number of venues; ebay, collectors corner, the BST here, a website. No matter what time you hit that buy, bid, email button someone will walk away with the coin from a bourse floor every time b/c the buyer has seen the coin in hand!
Hey, another best kept secret revealed!
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
I actually tried to buy a coin this morning and has this happen. An 1853 Seated quarter from a dealer website I thought would look good in my type set. I paid, with PayPal got my confirmation email and then about 25 minutes later got an email from the dealer stating the coin sold on eBay about 15 minutes before I placed my order. They just didn't have a chance to take the listing down in time. Bound to happen occasionally and life goes on. They promised to give me a good deal later on down the line if I saw something I liked.
It was frustrating but like I said it's bound to happen occasionally and life goes on.
@UpGrayedd said:
I could be wrong, but reading between the lines it appears that the OP had a potential cherrypick that went south. Maybe it was an honest mistake, maybe the seller figured out what they had IDK, but I'm willing to give the seller the benefit of the doubt unless presented with evidence to the contrary.
What I'm most impressed with is that the OP thought they had a rip, but still had the cojones to negotiate a lower price (they must be the size of basketballs). If it were me I would have been so nervous that I paid full price with the fastest payment method possible.
I did what he did once and lost an R7 die marriage. I'm still not finished kicking my butt over not hitting the BIN rather than looking to chisel $30 off a cherrypick.
One coping mechanism; nurse your grudges, share them with the whole wide world, obsess about how the other guy did you dirt, insulted your personal honor which is no doubt of a very high caliber. Hit the bottle hard! And through bleary eyes in the middle of another sleepless night up the ante letting your Bette noir and nemesis how much injury he did to your mental balance.... Small things get worse by obsessing over them.
The alternative is to change focus to things that are positive and elevating
No matter who the buyer and seller were, no matter whether it was accidental or on purpose, two facts still stand:
a) the coin was still gone, and b) the seller still refunded the would-be buyer. Neither you, I, or anyone else here save for the parties involved are going to know the 100% unvarnished truth about this deal beyond that.
I think that this really is the crux of the matter. It is very possible OP was screwed by a seller who got a better offer (but, because OP is, uh, sparing with his facts, we have no idea). But, even assuming that to be case, why come on this board and whine about a transaction that went south (to the extent getting one's money back can be considered to be "going south"), when there's not a thing anyone here can do the change the situation?
Barberian wrote "Maybe it was an honest mistake, maybe the seller figured out what they had IDK, but I'm willing to give the seller the benefit of the doubt unless presented with evidence to the contrary."
Since someone further up thread wrote twice ("The guy that he tried to buy it from has commented in this thread and could shed some light on this. Just sayin"
Since the seller was apparently on this thread and did not testify, I have to give greater weight to the complainant.
A cherrypick gone awry seems the most likely explanation.
Greed, which is what I abhor about coin collecting and dealing.
Barberian wrote "Maybe it was an honest mistake, maybe the seller figured out what they had IDK, but I'm willing to give the seller the benefit of the doubt unless presented with evidence to the contrary."
Since someone further up thread wrote twice ("The guy that he tried to buy it from has commented in this thread and could shed some light on this. Just sayin"
Since the seller was apparently on this thread and did not testify, I have to give greater weight to the complainant.
A cherrypick gone awry seems the most likely explanation.
Greed, which is what I abhor about coin collecting and dealing.
I don't think we know it was a cherry pick attempt. The OP never said whether it was identified or not.
As for the seller, why would he post anything? He hasn't been named so he doesn't need to defend himself. If he jumps in, he risks damage to his reputation.
Shot through the heart and you're to blame
You give coins a bad name (Bad name)
I play my part and you play your game
You give coins a bad name (Bad name)
Yeah, you give purloined coins a bad name
@ChrisH821 said:
The link has the same URL as posted, for some reason when it's made into a link it just re-opens this thread... looks like a forum bug has been found.
I copied and pasted the link and this is where it took me.
@ChrisH821 said:
The link has the same URL as posted, for some reason when it's made into a link it just re-opens this thread... looks like a forum bug has been found.
I copied and pasted the link and this is where it took me.
@ChrisH821 said:
The link has the same URL as posted, for some reason when it's made into a link it just re-opens this thread... looks like a forum bug has been found.
I copied and pasted the link and this is where it took me.
Hopefully, @opportunity will explain what happened. Because based on that other thread, it looks as if the OP might have legitimate reason to be upset.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Will the OP unbunch his panties? Will the seller take the "opportunity" to tell there side of the story? Will there be a fight in the schoolyard at 3:30? Will the Mods close this thread? Stay tuned for the next episode of Soap.
@nexlevelnmx said:
It was agreed on by the OP of the sale
You haven’t backed that up with verifiable facts here and your method of posting ends up being your own worst enemy. On some occasions you’ve shown that you’re capable of providing informative posts. But those have only been on very rare occasions. As a result, you make it nearly impossible for anyone to be helpful.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@nexlevelnmx said:
It was agreed on by the OP of the sale
You haven’t backed that up with verifiable facts here and your method of posting ends up being your own worst enemy. On some occasions you’ve shown that you’re capable of providing informative posts. But those have only been on very rare occasions. As a result, you make it nearly impossible for anyone to be helpful.
It does seem like it must have been agreed to by the seller. Otherwise, how could he have known his PayPal address and paid him?
If the second bidder was the buyer, then the OP may have a beef. But this thread can't possibly remedy anything.
@lermish said:
Should we expect any additional information to be slowly dragged out of you over the next several days?
Oh look, the next clue!
So he didn't actually purchase it. He expressed an interest and then didn't complete the deal.
To the OP, there is no sale to money changes hands. Again, this could be a learning experience for you. But, like your ebay thread, it looks to be headed for another pity party.
At first I thought "oh that sucks, he better get his money back".
But if you don't pay, it's not yours. I can understand being upset if you were assured they'd hold it for you (and even then, they have no obligation to do so unless you paid a deposit).
@lermish said:
Should we expect any additional information to be slowly dragged out of you over the next several days?
Oh look, the next clue!
So he didn't actually purchase it. He expressed an interest and then didn't complete the deal.
To the OP, there is no sale to money changes hands. Again, this could be a learning experience for you. But, like your ebay thread, it looks to be headed for another pity party.
At first I thought "oh that sucks, he better get his money back".
But if you don't pay, it's not yours. I can understand being upset if you were assured they'd hold it for you (and even then, they have no obligation to do so unless you paid a deposit).
He said he did pay and his payment was refunded. It sounds as if the seller may have gotten a better price elsewhere while he was awaiting payment.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@lermish said:
Should we expect any additional information to be slowly dragged out of you over the next several days?
Oh look, the next clue!
So he didn't actually purchase it. He expressed an interest and then didn't complete the deal.
To the OP, there is no sale to money changes hands. Again, this could be a learning experience for you. But, like your ebay thread, it looks to be headed for another pity party.
At first I thought "oh that sucks, he better get his money back".
But if you don't pay, it's not yours. I can understand being upset if you were assured they'd hold it for you (and even then, they have no obligation to do so unless you paid a deposit).
@ifthevamzarockin said:
Will the OP unbunch his panties? Will the seller take the "opportunity" to tell there side of the story? Will there be a fight in the schoolyard at 3:30? Will the Mods close this thread? Stay tuned for the next episode of Soap.
for those that remember 20 years ago, this would have been great material for @clankeye and his great tales.
I so miss those times.
If the mint didn't make the coin, that doesn't mean that I can't find one in change.
Thanksgiving National Battlefield Coin Show is November 29-30, 2024 at the Eisenhower Allstar Sportsplex, Gettysburg, PA. Tables are available. WWW.AmericasCoinShows.com
@ChrisH821 said:
The link has the same URL as posted, for some reason when it's made into a link it just re-opens this thread... looks like a forum bug has been found.
I copied and pasted the link and this is where it took me.
Hopefully, @opportunity will explain what happened. Because based on that other thread, it looks as if the OP might have legitimate reason to be upset.
As a former attorney you know the rules of contracts better probably than most all of us. A contract is made, payment is made, the seller has to honor his part of the deal.
Recently I sold an NGC IHC as an RB that was a full RD. The value difference was several hundreds of dollars, ie sold for under $240 then the buyer/dealer sold it just shy of $600. I actually realized my mistake after I got the shipping label; could I have backed out of the deal somehow? Probably. I figured I'd let it go.
If it's the same guy who sold the coin to someone else that bought the super rare 1812/1 50c a few years ago for under $200 and then warned forum members not to mess up the deal or he would sue. Strange.
@lermish said:
Should we expect any additional information to be slowly dragged out of you over the next several days?
Oh look, the next clue!
So he didn't actually purchase it. He expressed an interest and then didn't complete the deal.
To the OP, there is no sale to money changes hands. Again, this could be a learning experience for you. But, like your ebay thread, it looks to be headed for another pity party.
At first I thought "oh that sucks, he better get his money back".
But if you don't pay, it's not yours. I can understand being upset if you were assured they'd hold it for you (and even then, they have no obligation to do so unless you paid a deposit).
He said he did pay and his payment was refunded. It sounds as if the seller may have gotten a better price elsewhere while he was awaiting payment.
Hmm interesting.. Kinda scummy. I've had scenarios where I sold an item, the person paid, and then I got a better/higher offer, but I still sold it to the person who bought it.
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i dont understand were you out any money? if so im so sorry for you but if your not out money all i can say is pull the trigger sooner next time iv had things shot out from under me for 30 plus years and all i can say is i should have acted sooner
A seller can have his inventory up for sale in a number of venues; ebay, collectors corner, the BST here, a website. No matter what time you hit that buy, bid, email button someone will walk away with the coin from a bourse floor every time b/c the buyer has seen the coin in hand!
Hey, another best kept secret revealed!
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
My Jefferson Nickel Collection
I actually tried to buy a coin this morning and has this happen. An 1853 Seated quarter from a dealer website I thought would look good in my type set. I paid, with PayPal got my confirmation email and then about 25 minutes later got an email from the dealer stating the coin sold on eBay about 15 minutes before I placed my order. They just didn't have a chance to take the listing down in time. Bound to happen occasionally and life goes on. They promised to give me a good deal later on down the line if I saw something I liked.
It was frustrating but like I said it's bound to happen occasionally and life goes on.
I did what he did once and lost an R7 die marriage. I'm still not finished kicking my butt over not hitting the BIN rather than looking to chisel $30 off a cherrypick.
Talk about making mountains out of molehills....
One coping mechanism; nurse your grudges, share them with the whole wide world, obsess about how the other guy did you dirt, insulted your personal honor which is no doubt of a very high caliber. Hit the bottle hard! And through bleary eyes in the middle of another sleepless night up the ante letting your Bette noir and nemesis how much injury he did to your mental balance.... Small things get worse by obsessing over them.
The alternative is to change focus to things that are positive and elevating
I think that this really is the crux of the matter. It is very possible OP was screwed by a seller who got a better offer (but, because OP is, uh, sparing with his facts, we have no idea). But, even assuming that to be case, why come on this board and whine about a transaction that went south (to the extent getting one's money back can be considered to be "going south"), when there's not a thing anyone here can do the change the situation?
Barberian wrote "Maybe it was an honest mistake, maybe the seller figured out what they had IDK, but I'm willing to give the seller the benefit of the doubt unless presented with evidence to the contrary."
Since someone further up thread wrote twice ("The guy that he tried to buy it from has commented in this thread and could shed some light on this. Just sayin"
Since the seller was apparently on this thread and did not testify, I have to give greater weight to the complainant.
A cherrypick gone awry seems the most likely explanation.
Greed, which is what I abhor about coin collecting and dealing.
I don't think we know it was a cherry pick attempt. The OP never said whether it was identified or not.
As for the seller, why would he post anything? He hasn't been named so he doesn't need to defend himself. If he jumps in, he risks damage to his reputation.
I'll turn to a Dutch philosopher on this one:
Shot through the heart and you're to blame
You give coins a bad name (Bad name)
I play my part and you play your game
You give coins a bad name (Bad name)
Yeah, you give purloined coins a bad name
forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/13558233#Comment_13558233
More people will probably see that if you make it a link that they can click on.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Linky
His attempt at a link was to a different thread. Yours appears to be a link to this thread. I was trying to encourage him to do the work.😉
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
The link has the same URL as posted, for some reason when it's made into a link it just re-opens this thread... looks like a forum bug has been found.
Collector, occasional seller
That seems only fitting for this thread.😀
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
I copied and pasted the link and this is where it took me.
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/13558233
That is bizarre and indeed "only fitting for this thread."
Interesting.
What happens when you click the "linky" link posted by @Goldbully ?
For me, it takes me here:
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1094756/forums.collectors.com/discussion/comment/13558233#Comment_13558233
Edited for clarity.
@MetroD "What happens when you click it?"
The link the OP posted isn't showing as a link and does not work, I had to copy & paste to make it work.
The link Guldbully posted goes back to this thread.
Hopefully, @opportunity will explain what happened. Because based on that other thread, it looks as if the OP might have legitimate reason to be upset.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
was identified before being sold
Will the OP unbunch his panties? Will the seller take the "opportunity" to tell there side of the story? Will there be a fight in the schoolyard at 3:30? Will the Mods close this thread? Stay tuned for the next episode of Soap.
No i just want to make right what happened thats all. I did get refunded but it was because I had no other options..
The other thread shows that on August 10 the OP here posted:
"sent pm gave it a good shot".
What does "gave it a good shot" mean? That you made a lower offer than asking price?
In any case, the next day someone else posted that they had sent a PM to the seller, and the OP here chimed in afterward: "claimed !".
If the OP made a counteroffer to asking price that does not constitute "claiming" an item.
But, we just don't know, because as is routine with the OP, the information is provided in little drips over a prolonged period of time.
It was agreed on by the OP of the sale
Well that is not in any way proven or even implied by thread you linked.
In any case, I'm not sure what your intention is here. You started this thread for what purpose?
The BST is at the risk of the participants. The moderators do not police it or act as an arbitrator.
If you want to attack the seller you will then yourself be in violation of forum rules that the moderators do enforce.
But what would “make right what happened” look like? What is it you want?
US and British coin collector, and creator of The Ultimate Chuck E. Cheese's and Showbiz Pizza Place Token & Ticket Guide
You haven’t backed that up with verifiable facts here and your method of posting ends up being your own worst enemy. On some occasions you’ve shown that you’re capable of providing informative posts. But those have only been on very rare occasions. As a result, you make it nearly impossible for anyone to be helpful.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
In business there are ERRORS and OMISSIONS. In the medical field it is called MALPRACTICE.
What we have here are OMISSIONS by the OP to try to paint himself as a victim.
Pfffffffttttt.
I take back what I said earlier…. This thread is actually entertaining.
And in my field, it is called a "whoopsie-daisy".
Sometimes a "mulligan" or a "do-over".
Edited to add:
peacockcoins
Is there a limit to the number of “do-overs” that are acceptable?😉
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Yes.
At a certain point the "do-overs" turn into "lawsuits".
peacockcoins
Get a life!!! Lol.
It does seem like it must have been agreed to by the seller. Otherwise, how could he have known his PayPal address and paid him?
If the second bidder was the buyer, then the OP may have a beef. But this thread can't possibly remedy anything.
How about this to make it right? Forget that sale and pick up a nice u1 offering. I’ll add a free u1 slab to the mix.
At first I thought "oh that sucks, he better get his money back".
But if you don't pay, it's not yours. I can understand being upset if you were assured they'd hold it for you (and even then, they have no obligation to do so unless you paid a deposit).
He said he did pay and his payment was refunded. It sounds as if the seller may have gotten a better price elsewhere while he was awaiting payment.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
It had been paid that is the point.
I can show pm
PM's are best kept private.
for those that remember 20 years ago, this would have been great material for @clankeye and his great tales.
I so miss those times.
If the mint didn't make the coin, that doesn't mean that I can't find one in change.
Thanksgiving National Battlefield Coin Show is November 29-30, 2024 at the Eisenhower Allstar Sportsplex, Gettysburg, PA. Tables are available. WWW.AmericasCoinShows.com
Sorry @Jzyskowski1 I beat you to the cat meme on this one.
As a former attorney you know the rules of contracts better probably than most all of us. A contract is made, payment is made, the seller has to honor his part of the deal.
Recently I sold an NGC IHC as an RB that was a full RD. The value difference was several hundreds of dollars, ie sold for under $240 then the buyer/dealer sold it just shy of $600. I actually realized my mistake after I got the shipping label; could I have backed out of the deal somehow? Probably. I figured I'd let it go.
If it's the same guy who sold the coin to someone else that bought the super rare 1812/1 50c a few years ago for under $200 and then warned forum members not to mess up the deal or he would sue. Strange.
Hmm interesting.. Kinda scummy. I've had scenarios where I sold an item, the person paid, and then I got a better/higher offer, but I still sold it to the person who bought it.
Just wasted a few minutes if my lifetime quota.