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What are the best kept secrets in numismatics??

joebb21joebb21 Posts: 4,749 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited August 7, 2023 4:17PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Obviously spilling the beans here would ruin the secret- but I was thinking at least for myself

The story behind the Fairmont collection really has me curious.

A second would be the omega world of high reliefs and $3's

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    The Appalachian hoard of toned war nickels.

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    edited August 7, 2023 5:17PM

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  • seatedlib3991seatedlib3991 Posts: 839 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have only been visiting coin web sites for about 6 years but the best kept secret MUST be that actual people grade the coins. You cannot go a week without someone demanding to know how a coin did, did not grade or ended up a details piece. Obviously that humans are involved must be the answer yet so many don't seem to know this. James

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,899 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Where’s the other 1849 Proof $20?

    Where’s the Proof 1834 Bust Half Dime that was originally part of the King of Siam set, lost and later replaced?

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • skier07skier07 Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The Kentucky hoard and the Fairmont hoard.

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    Acquisition cost and "best" price. :s

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    The Saddle Ridge Hoard.

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    What's in the cornerstone of the Granite Lady.

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    Where all the 1895 Morgan dollars are.

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    The u1 mystery box :D

  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,469 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The "full steps, FS" designation for Jefferson nickels! What's the secret? I'll just let those wondering keep on pondering that. lol

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  • DCAMDCAM Posts: 300 ✭✭✭

    How many '64 Peace Dollars are out there.

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    Owners of the 64-D Peace dollars. :)

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,356 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:
    Where’s the other 1849 Proof $20?

    Where’s the Proof 1834 Bust Half Dime that was originally part of the King of Siam set, lost and later replaced?

    That 1834 Proof Half Dime was used to buy a rice cream cone.

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,367 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DCAM said:
    How many '64 Peace Dollars are out there.

    Good one! Also, how many other 1933 Saint-Gaudens double eagles are still out there.

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  • streeterstreeter Posts: 4,312 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The back story on the Saddle Ridge coins. Who saved them and why were they burried?

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    What's in Vault Box 4.

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,367 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What's the real story behind the discovery of the unique 1870-S half dime? It's been claimed that this coin was found in a coin dealer's junk box which I don't believe for one second.

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  • MaywoodMaywood Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What are the best kept secrets in numismatics??

    That all Coin Dealers are honest and ethical.
    That all submissions to TPG's are blind.
    That most collectors actually know how to grade, or really care to know.

  • The_Dinosaur_ManThe_Dinosaur_Man Posts: 997 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Best kept secret as in best mystery still to be unraveled or coolest aspect that non-collectors don't know about?

    Either way, it's all about the money :)

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  • NeophyteNumismatistNeophyteNumismatist Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 8, 2023 8:26AM

    When I think of "secret" in this context, I think of commonly overlooked series:

    • Braided Hair Half Cents
    • Three Cent Nickels
    • 1936-42 Proofs
    • Barber Proof Quarters

    Personally, I would collect all of these... but they certainly are not overly popular.

    I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.

  • tcollectstcollects Posts: 1,098 ✭✭✭✭✭

    that mustard actually causes monster rainbow toning

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    Where is the dowry of Massachusetts silver that mintmaster John Hull gave to his daughter?

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    Big Foot's collection of 1873s Seated dollars.

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    Circumstances and mintages of 1870-s coins.

  • SoldiSoldi Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What's it worth? LOL 😆

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,356 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:
    What's the real story behind the discovery of the unique 1870-S half dime? It's been claimed that this coin was found in a coin dealer's junk box which I don't believe for one second.

    The story that I heard in Chicago is that somebody came into a suburban coin shop with a variety of type coins to sell, and the dealer bought it as a common type coin. I would imagine that back then I would not have known off the top of my head that that was an unlisted date and mint mark combination. There are lots of common S-mint fractional silver coins from that era.

    Later, as he was writing stuff up for inventory, he looked in the Red Book and couldn't find it listed. He then showed it Ed Milas at Rarcoa who agreed that it was genuine and offered to buy it. They agreed that the price would be whatever the Garrett EF-40 1804 Silver Dollar sold at, which turned out to be $400,000.

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  • NewEnglandRaritiesNewEnglandRarities Posts: 1,138 ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 8, 2023 7:48AM

    I could give a response here, but unfortunately if I do, my response will have to be moved to the “worst kept secret” thread 😜

    With that joke out of the way, since I focus on colonial era coinage, the true background of the New Haven “restrike” Fugio copper and the exact story of how that came to be! There are some great articles with new information, but the true story and intention I think remains a mystery.

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    The correct definition of "First Strike" & "Early Release."

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    Why newbies post 15, un-cropped, out of focus pics of the same spot on a coin.

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    The names of all the coin "doctors".

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  • MartinMartin Posts: 999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The biggest secret is why dealers really drink!

    Martin

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,356 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Martin said:
    The biggest secret is why dealers really drink!

    Martin

    I’ll drink to that!

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  • Wahoo554Wahoo554 Posts: 1,139 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Where are all the 1823 quarters? Is there an 1841-O half eagle?

  • JBatDavidLawrenceJBatDavidLawrence Posts: 504 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't feel like getting sued, but some of the questions here have definitive answers that are known...but just not discussed very publicly!

    My favorite secret at the moment: who thought Oklahoma City in August 2025 was a good idea?

    John Brush
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  • PeakRaritiesPeakRarities Posts: 4,046 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 10, 2023 6:11PM

    @JBatDavidLawrence said:
    I don't feel like getting sued, but some of the questions here have definitive answers that are known...but just not discussed very publicly!

    My favorite secret at the moment: who thought Oklahoma City in August 2025 was a good idea?

    Is this a joke? I didn’t even look at the future schedule. Curious how many people can get direct flights for that one without a miserable layover.

    Edit: Now I know why you ran this past election 😉

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  • skier07skier07 Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 10, 2023 6:17PM

    😊

  • UpGrayeddUpGrayedd Posts: 652 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JBatDavidLawrence said:
    I don't feel like getting sued, but some of the questions here have definitive answers that are known...but just not discussed very publicly!

    My favorite secret at the moment: who thought Oklahoma City in August 2025 was a good idea?

    @skier07 said:

    @DeplorableDan said:

    @JBatDavidLawrence said:
    I don't feel like getting sued, but some of the questions here have definitive answers that are known...but just not discussed very publicly!

    My favorite secret at the moment: who thought Oklahoma City in August 2025 was a good idea?

    Is this a joke? I didn’t even look at the future schedule. Curious how many people can get direct flights for that one without a miserable layover.

    Where’s Oklahoma?

    What's wrong with Oklahoma? @JBatDavidLawrence I suppose I should refrain from purchasing any coins from DLRC because my "Oklahoma" money isn't good enough?

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  • nexlevelnmxnexlevelnmx Posts: 335 ✭✭✭

    would love to hear ..

  • PeakRaritiesPeakRarities Posts: 4,046 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @UpGrayedd said:

    @JBatDavidLawrence said:
    I don't feel like getting sued, but some of the questions here have definitive answers that are known...but just not discussed very publicly!

    My favorite secret at the moment: who thought Oklahoma City in August 2025 was a good idea?

    @skier07 said:

    @DeplorableDan said:

    @JBatDavidLawrence said:
    I don't feel like getting sued, but some of the questions here have definitive answers that are known...but just not discussed very publicly!

    My favorite secret at the moment: who thought Oklahoma City in August 2025 was a good idea?

    Is this a joke? I didn’t even look at the future schedule. Curious how many people can get direct flights for that one without a miserable layover.

    Where’s Oklahoma?

    What's wrong with Oklahoma? @JBatDavidLawrence I suppose I should refrain from purchasing any coins from DLRC because my "Oklahoma" money isn't good enough?

    Oh come on, no need to take umbrage 😂. I can’t stand Pittsburgh honestly but the logistics work out for many and the convention center is nice. Just don’t wonder around at nighttime as it’s pretty rough.

    I’m sure Oklahoma is a beautiful place to live, but it’s about logistics. I just picked a bunch of random dates from FLL to Oklahoma City and everything has a connecting flight.

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  • UpGrayeddUpGrayedd Posts: 652 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 10, 2023 6:47PM

    @DeplorableDan said:

    @UpGrayedd said:

    @JBatDavidLawrence said:
    I don't feel like getting sued, but some of the questions here have definitive answers that are known...but just not discussed very publicly!

    My favorite secret at the moment: who thought Oklahoma City in August 2025 was a good idea?

    @skier07 said:

    @DeplorableDan said:

    @JBatDavidLawrence said:
    I don't feel like getting sued, but some of the questions here have definitive answers that are known...but just not discussed very publicly!

    My favorite secret at the moment: who thought Oklahoma City in August 2025 was a good idea?

    Is this a joke? I didn’t even look at the future schedule. Curious how many people can get direct flights for that one without a miserable layover.

    Where’s Oklahoma?

    What's wrong with Oklahoma? @JBatDavidLawrence I suppose I should refrain from purchasing any coins from DLRC because my "Oklahoma" money isn't good enough?

    Oh come on, no need to take umbrage 😂. I can’t stand Pittsburgh honestly but the logistics work out for many and the convention center is nice. Just don’t wonder around at nighttime as it’s pretty rough.

    I’m sure Oklahoma is a beautiful place to live, but it’s about logistics. I just picked a bunch of random dates from FLL to Oklahoma City and everything has a connecting flight.

    No worries Dan, I honestly didn't even see your post. I was actually more surprised by someone posting under their employer's name disparaging an entire city/state (that's Business 101).

    Like all places Oklahoma has its good and bad, and direct flights will be an issue for most unless you're flying from DFW. ;) With that said, I am excited because I live about 35 miles SW of OKC and this will be my best opportunity to attend.

    Edited for your/you're typo.

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  • JFK_CollectorJFK_Collector Posts: 110 ✭✭✭

    @tcollects said:
    that mustard actually causes monster rainbow toning

    Sorry but had to laugh on this one. I was taking a drink of Coke and when reading this answer, the soda out of my nose. . .

  • PeakRaritiesPeakRarities Posts: 4,046 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I surmise that one of the hallmarks of a successful coin show is accessibility. Everyone hates layovers, and even major hub airports will probably need a connecting flight to get there. Serious collectors who travel to the show are more likely to say “screw it, I’ll stay home” if the trip there is inconvenient. Especially for some who may have to travel a distance to a major airport in the first place. Not to mention, it is 100 degrees in Oklahoma in august.

    Respectfully, I think you’re really reaching by proclaiming that John is “disparaging” a state/city. Dealers who travel and bring hundreds of thousands of dollars in inventory don’t make their show with the attendance of the locals, though I understand your point of view as I love being within driving distance of FUN.

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  • UpGrayeddUpGrayedd Posts: 652 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DeplorableDan said:
    Respectfully, I think you’re really reaching by proclaiming that John is “disparaging” a state/city.

    Dan, I've always enjoyed your posts on here so let's just agree to disagree. @JBatDavidLawrence can clarify his intent if he so chooses.

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  • streeterstreeter Posts: 4,312 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JBatDavidLawrence said:
    I don't feel like getting sued, but some of the questions here have definitive answers that are known...but just not discussed very publicly!

    My favorite secret at the moment: who thought Oklahoma City in August 2025 was a good idea?

    I know the answer.
    The Oklahoma City Chamber of Commerce.

    No doubt.

    Have a nice day
  • acsbacsb Posts: 157 ✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:

    @MFeld said:
    Where’s the other 1849 Proof $20?

    Where’s the Proof 1834 Bust Half Dime that was originally part of the King of Siam set, lost and later replaced?

    That 1834 Proof Half Dime was used to buy a rice cream cone.

    That you , Joe?

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