Well in my opinion, you all are failing hard.
Lol for a second I thought you might gotten Adam and Henry, whoa 😳 I was big-time wrong, you all are making the issue way worse.
I thought Roger admitting he has no common sense was bad,,, nope you all have exceeded his comment.
I'm actually surprised when you all change history that people are buying it,, oh that's right lol did you read my book is the biggest question.
Leading them to your all's books, wow to think you would even think someone who is against changing history to what you all have and then say that person needs help, hmmm 🤔 I'd probably look in the mirror
I mean changing history that's obvious, just is it your agenda to attack all those who point out the obvious that changing historically accurate information is incorrect.
I mean this makes total sense if you are trying to manipulate the industry into buying your books.
Just in no way am I buying this malarkey and instead it is showing me who "you" really are. (The quotation marks is too represent many) Well and I'm sure others are seeing it
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Op needs help for he is not buying the line we are selling lol.
Hmmm yes I think we should add professionals
It's being you not "buying the line we are selling". You post dozens of rambling posts that make vague arguments when no on is even arguing with you. And you've been obsessing over this one coin for months.
These are the biggest attacks I've ever gotten over my threads/posts, is this because I'm putting up good info making it harder to dispute?
No.
You haven't put up any relevant info. You have a random supposition that Eckfeldt's press COULD HAVE resulted in ejection marks that COULD match a mark on the edge of your coin. That is NOT "good info" , its a supposition on top of a supposition on top of a supposition. You haven't demonstrated that Eckfeldt struck any coins. You haven't demonstrated that the supposed coins have an ejection mark on the rim. You haven't demonstrated that the supposed mark matches the mark on your coin.
An interesting fact is that the man who ran the Gallery Mint says that the coin press that is on display at the mint is too small to be a coin press. He said that it is a planchet cutter. That is the device which punches the round disks from the metal strips.
If you look at the pictures of screw presses in the Royal Mint at the Tower of London, you will see that their machines were much larger. I will post a picture when I am on my desktop.
The being said, I believe that the piece in question is a modern copy of the 1793 Wreath Cent. The fabric and die work does not match up with the first mint’s products of the period. If the person who has this piece wants to confirm or dispute that, he can pay to send it to PCGS or NGC to get a definitive answer. Hounding us about it will not change our observations.
I have also finished a book, “Henry Voigt and Others Involved with America’s Early Coinage” by Karl Moulton. I disagree with some of his assertions, but it presents another view of the facts about the first U.S. Mint which are often times sketchy. There are other books including the classic one by Frank Stewart.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
Good morning all
If you look at the one I posted it was made by Adam, yes you are correct I haven't shown anything being struck and I didn't mention that only 15-20% of my edge has "ejection marks" you all keep saying copy, well great show me another please.
Well being it is a press hmm 🤔 how can it strike?
Just for the record, this does change in ones book how coins were being made and they said using a die.
Hmm a planchette cutter,I mean this press is still on display, I bet at the Smithsonian.
Yes sometimes it might seem I'm posting to myself for I like being faster and then I'll think of something
Ok let's really talk about my coin then, this was about the press Adam made and about his career, just you all are fixated on my coin and yes I am also just there's pieces to the story, why was somebody writing about a crumbled edge?
The ejection marks were said to be super rare and all should be prized.
Just let us keep on topic, I mean you all are awesome this morning
I mean the coin different thread for in sure it will be shut down
Yes a planchet or a planchettes,I read multiple ways of spelling or what not and I'm always game to be corrected.
In 1793 supposedly I heard the copper was thinned down using horses and a blade set up on rollers and occasionally the rollers would become lower or higher than should be.
Hmm still thinking about this planchets cutter, for it it was I think he would've been cutting almost perfect circles.
A planchet is a blank piece of copper ready to be pressed or struck into a coin.
Might as well teach something here. Planchette is not the same word nor object as planchet.
They are not pronounced the same.
Pronounce planchette with stress on the second syllable
Pronounce planchet with stress on the first syllable
They are both derivations of Latin planca meaning board.
We get our word_plank_, as well.
Why are you so so eager to shut this down Fraz, it's almost like I've done something to you?
I don't know what I've done but geeze sorry, I was actually enjoying real conversation.
What I was getting last night was bad in my opinion.
Thanks and yes ty mods I know I stretch the rules and I'm a bad guy, who at times can ramble.
I enjoyed your responses this morning yeah if you all want to stop replying I will understand and take screenshots, wow I changed all this, sorry all and what I mean is all this is new.
I'd only hope my responses dominate my threads and would kinda be one sided if I just sat back and read the responses of all kinds, including troll or op needs mental help,,,, don't reply sit and listen.
Dang you've got me confused with someone else you are used to controlling.
I felt we were heading in the right direction, just he is right probably for the kids like to make their comments and I'm supposed to be silent.
Also I'm already way above the new rules I guess for over responded more than anyone well yeah that happens when I'm the one who researched everything I've brought, nobody told me Adam made a press, or that he worked for free after retirement or was given a gold medal which was then replicated with silver.
Slick, I regret that it is this way. It’s not about me. Research my threads, I defend newcomers (until they go off the deep end). Be it physical, emotional, or social, you hurt yourself. I can’t watch any more. I changed this post because the text that I deleted could not work; so I corrected incomplete lexical information to fill an empty message box.
I enjoy healthy, informative, and humorous posts.
n.b. : Slick refers to a deletion that urged members to stop posting and viewing the threads on this account.
Also he made a few and they have me also confused, for he was in charge of all the equipment in the mint.
Thanks again all
So I might've showed you a picture of a cutter and you all would know better than me. Ty for the correction
Well since everyone is anticipating me getting this closed and the account holder sorry,
Can we resume coins?
I sit here and show anything, you all respond like I need metal help.
You must think I'm super novice when it comes to expert engraver skills when I see it, I mean a futuristic lath seeing engraver.
In my opinion one of the best, oh and John Adam Eckfeldt who I want to say was a man of impeccable integrity, for someone's notes are, like I said "precisely on the coin" another great mint worker 👍
Ok you guys got me, may I be informed with your knowledge sirs please and ty
I want to say good things, just I really can't and there's a story of him giving the boy a freshly squeezed or pressed coin, which the boy nearly dropped from how hot it was and when the boy asked why, Adam said when you can tell me why the coin is so hot when it started out cool.
I mean just I can't,I can speculate just I didn't know these men
An interesting fact is that the man who ran the Gallery Mint says that the coin press that is on display at the mint is too small to be a coin press. He said that it is a planchet cutter. That is the device which punches the round disks from the metal strips.
Further research was published in a January, 2018 article in Penny-Wise, "The Myth of the U.S. Mint's First Screw Press" by Craig Sholley, who is the foremost researcher on early U.S. Mint technology including screw press fabrication and usage. The article is available for reading on the NNP.
The often pictured press was not made in 1792 (made much later), and was used to cut blank planchets. It was not used for coining. Adam Eckfeldt had no involvement in the fabrication of the U.S. Mint's initial screw presses used for coining.
Robert Scot: Engraving Liberty - biography of US Mint's first chief engraver
Oh wow your are the author im guessing of some book, I'm not trying to step on any toes and the facts I call them I'm pulling off wiki and if they have it wrong I'd like to hear it. Disregard the author part just when that much liberty is in front of me, I'm kinda blinded and no offense or anything implied.
Everything I've mentioned is all from researching and is not my skills but my passion, I'm a collector but I think I have just as much pleasure learning about them.
With this said I'm sure I'll say it wrong or chopped and I apologize on advance.
Not to mention I've been searching Alibaba again, which I have no pleasure in doing but I did it for you all.
I found a Morgan dollar 1890, I found an ASE 2012 bullion coins, I didn't find not a single 1793 anything.
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I see you all are mentioning me again and nothing to do with the topic or thread
Well in my opinion, you all are failing hard.
Lol for a second I thought you might gotten Adam and Henry, whoa 😳 I was big-time wrong, you all are making the issue way worse.
I thought Roger admitting he has no common sense was bad,,, nope you all have exceeded his comment.
I'm actually surprised when you all change history that people are buying it,, oh that's right lol did you read my book is the biggest question.
Leading them to your all's books, wow to think you would even think someone who is against changing history to what you all have and then say that person needs help, hmmm 🤔 I'd probably look in the mirror
Why does a coin I've presented get mentioned in all my posts?
Why do you mention in others posts about them being me "a troll"?
I mean if you need to call me names or insult me to further your agenda,,, well what is your agenda?
I mean changing history that's obvious, just is it your agenda to attack all those who point out the obvious that changing historically accurate information is incorrect.
I mean this makes total sense if you are trying to manipulate the industry into buying your books.
Just in no way am I buying this malarkey and instead it is showing me who "you" really are. (The quotation marks is too represent many) Well and I'm sure others are seeing it
Thanks all
I'm not saying everyone but I'm sure everyone makes their own assessments.
I just want to know why?
Just in thinking $$$ and book sales are driving these people.
Jmo
Have a good night/day what's left of it
Thanks
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It's being you not "buying the line we are selling". You post dozens of rambling posts that make vague arguments when no on is even arguing with you. And you've been obsessing over this one coin for months.
No.
You haven't put up any relevant info. You have a random supposition that Eckfeldt's press COULD HAVE resulted in ejection marks that COULD match a mark on the edge of your coin. That is NOT "good info" , its a supposition on top of a supposition on top of a supposition. You haven't demonstrated that Eckfeldt struck any coins. You haven't demonstrated that the supposed coins have an ejection mark on the rim. You haven't demonstrated that the supposed mark matches the mark on your coin.
The actual expression is "nip this in the bud.
No need to use symbols to obscure the word "bud".
An interesting fact is that the man who ran the Gallery Mint says that the coin press that is on display at the mint is too small to be a coin press. He said that it is a planchet cutter. That is the device which punches the round disks from the metal strips.
If you look at the pictures of screw presses in the Royal Mint at the Tower of London, you will see that their machines were much larger. I will post a picture when I am on my desktop.
The being said, I believe that the piece in question is a modern copy of the 1793 Wreath Cent. The fabric and die work does not match up with the first mint’s products of the period. If the person who has this piece wants to confirm or dispute that, he can pay to send it to PCGS or NGC to get a definitive answer. Hounding us about it will not change our observations.
I have also finished a book, “Henry Voigt and Others Involved with America’s Early Coinage” by Karl Moulton. I disagree with some of his assertions, but it presents another view of the facts about the first U.S. Mint which are often times sketchy. There are other books including the classic one by Frank Stewart.
Good morning all
If you look at the one I posted it was made by Adam, yes you are correct I haven't shown anything being struck and I didn't mention that only 15-20% of my edge has "ejection marks" you all keep saying copy, well great show me another please.
Well being it is a press hmm 🤔 how can it strike?
Just for the record, this does change in ones book how coins were being made and they said using a die.
Hmm a planchette cutter,I mean this press is still on display, I bet at the Smithsonian.
Yes sometimes it might seem I'm posting to myself for I like being faster and then I'll think of something
What is a "planchette"?
Ok let's really talk about my coin then, this was about the press Adam made and about his career, just you all are fixated on my coin and yes I am also just there's pieces to the story, why was somebody writing about a crumbled edge?
The ejection marks were said to be super rare and all should be prized.
Just let us keep on topic, I mean you all are awesome this morning
I mean the coin different thread for in sure it will be shut down
Yes a planchet or a planchettes,I read multiple ways of spelling or what not and I'm always game to be corrected.
In 1793 supposedly I heard the copper was thinned down using horses and a blade set up on rollers and occasionally the rollers would become lower or higher than should be.
Hmm still thinking about this planchets cutter, for it it was I think he would've been cutting almost perfect circles.
A planchet is a blank piece of copper ready to be pressed or struck into a coin.
I'm not the best so here is my answer
Might as well teach something here.
Planchette is not the same word nor object as planchet.
They are not pronounced the same.
Pronounce planchette with stress on the second syllable
Pronounce planchet with stress on the first syllable
They are both derivations of Latin planca meaning board.
We get our word_plank_, as well.
Why are you so so eager to shut this down Fraz, it's almost like I've done something to you?
I don't know what I've done but geeze sorry, I was actually enjoying real conversation.
What I was getting last night was bad in my opinion.
Thanks and yes ty mods I know I stretch the rules and I'm a bad guy, who at times can ramble.
I enjoyed your responses this morning yeah if you all want to stop replying I will understand and take screenshots, wow I changed all this, sorry all and what I mean is all this is new.
I'd only hope my responses dominate my threads and would kinda be one sided if I just sat back and read the responses of all kinds, including troll or op needs mental help,,,, don't reply sit and listen.
Dang you've got me confused with someone else you are used to controlling.
I felt we were heading in the right direction, just he is right probably for the kids like to make their comments and I'm supposed to be silent.
Also I'm already way above the new rules I guess for over responded more than anyone
well yeah that happens when I'm the one who researched everything I've brought, nobody told me Adam made a press, or that he worked for free after retirement or was given a gold medal which was then replicated with silver.
Slick, I regret that it is this way. It’s not about me. Research my threads, I defend newcomers (until they go off the deep end). Be it physical, emotional, or social, you hurt yourself. I can’t watch any more. I changed this post because the text that I deleted could not work; so I corrected incomplete lexical information to fill an empty message box.
I enjoy healthy, informative, and humorous posts.
n.b. : Slick refers to a deletion that urged members to stop posting and viewing the threads on this account.
Also he made a few and they have me also confused, for he was in charge of all the equipment in the mint.
Thanks again all
So I might've showed you a picture of a cutter and you all would know better than me. Ty for the correction
Fraz I regret that you are a human being like this.
All good, for I do not know you
Well since everyone is anticipating me getting this closed and the account holder sorry,
Can we resume coins?
I sit here and show anything, you all respond like I need metal help.
You must think I'm super novice when it comes to expert engraver skills when I see it, I mean a futuristic lath seeing engraver.
In my opinion one of the best, oh and John Adam Eckfeldt who I want to say was a man of impeccable integrity, for someone's notes are, like I said "precisely on the coin" another great mint worker 👍
This is super cool
@Fraz - You know what they say: you can't spell "Eckfeldt" without "deflect".
I learned who Eckfeld was. He’s okay. His horse is traumatized, though.
Ok you guys got me, may I be informed with your knowledge sirs please and ty
I want to say good things, just I really can't and there's a story of him giving the boy a freshly squeezed or pressed coin, which the boy nearly dropped from how hot it was and when the boy asked why, Adam said when you can tell me why the coin is so hot when it started out cool.
I mean just I can't,I can speculate just I didn't know these men
@BillJones said:
Further research was published in a January, 2018 article in Penny-Wise, "The Myth of the U.S. Mint's First Screw Press" by Craig Sholley, who is the foremost researcher on early U.S. Mint technology including screw press fabrication and usage. The article is available for reading on the NNP.
The often pictured press was not made in 1792 (made much later), and was used to cut blank planchets. It was not used for coining. Adam Eckfeldt had no involvement in the fabrication of the U.S. Mint's initial screw presses used for coining.
Oh wow your are the author im guessing of some book, I'm not trying to step on any toes and the facts I call them I'm pulling off wiki and if they have it wrong I'd like to hear it. Disregard the author part just when that much liberty is in front of me, I'm kinda blinded and no offense or anything implied.
Everything I've mentioned is all from researching and is not my skills but my passion, I'm a collector but I think I have just as much pleasure learning about them.
With this said I'm sure I'll say it wrong or chopped and I apologize on advance.
Not to mention I've been searching Alibaba again, which I have no pleasure in doing but I did it for you all.
I found a Morgan dollar 1890, I found an ASE 2012 bullion coins, I didn't find not a single 1793 anything.
Take the time to read the Penny-Wise article, which is backed by contemporary evidence. Wikipedia is often incorrect.
As one researcher often says, big claims require big evidence. You have provided no evidence, only opinions.