1.88 gram lincoln cent
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i have what looks like a 1950 wheat back cent but it sounds silver and weighs 1.88 grams, NOT 3 GRAMS . it also kinda looks like its been struck on a struck roosevelt dime, as i see an outline . my question is if it was a silver dime and it got punched, would it be copper colored after going thru the cent dies?
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Well, striking would not change color of the original planchet if that is what you are asking. A dime would be silver and a cent would be copper color based on the metal of the planchet. Provide a clear picture of the front and back if you are able and I’m sure you can get some help!
As stated, a clear photo of both sides is required otherwise we would just be guessing.
Need to see pictures.
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Naw, we don’t need to see it. It is not on a dime planchette. He says it sounds silver, hoping that the strike by a cent die had turnt it to copper, or copper colored.
Any alchemists to pitch in?
Too lightweight for a silver dime.
If copper colored, it was not a dime planchet.... Might be acid treated. Pictures required. Cheers, RickO
my photo taking ability is limited, but it does appear thinner than normal wheat cents but not by much, did the mint produce foreign coins in 1950 that weigh anywhere near 1.89 grams? amd, whatim taking out of it, youe saying after 100000 plus hits the dies DONT get a coating of copper on them, that coulld NOT get transferred onto a silver coin? i think it would , but thats why im asking a question about it, , amd im not trying to clean it to find out if the copper comes off it, but when i drop on the counter it sounds EXACTLY like a silver dime, and ive NEVER heard a copper coin ring like that.
You posted some excellent photos of some 1943 nickels in another thread....
And, no, cent dies do not "get a coating of copper on them" that would transfer to a struck dime, especially not in its entirety. There are lots of "11 cent" errors to compare to on the internet.
So take some close in focus pics and let us be the judge. Good luck
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ok, the only type of picture im going to be able to get you will be a microscope shot, as i dont own a cellular type device, as i dont like microwaving my brains just to share or speak to people,lol! the pictures were taken with my microscope, and thats about as much of a whole coin shot i can take, let me get to work on getting all that squared back away and ill get you as much as i can get of the cent
looks like a profile facing left pn the reverse, almost looks like roosevelt, but could be a foreign coin ive seen as well, spain or maybe a south american coin produced by the mint?
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All kidding aside Im not sure what happened to that thing, maybe acid among other types of abuse. Definitely not struck on a dime planchet. If I found that in my house I would just toss it the trash or something, it looks pretty gross.
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maybe pareidolia maybe a cent on a struck coin. i can FEEL the reeded edge, or remnants that i dont feel with a fingernail,on any other centsi have
if i could get a photo of the WHOLE coin, the outline is a little more apparent or easier to see
in any instance, its an odd bird, just trying to lock down what it is
Cents don't have a reeded edge, but don't let silly logic get in the way of your fun. You should totally send it in to PCGS, keep us posted with the results and good luck!
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ii guess the easiest way to determine would be to find a dealer with one of those guns that can tell what coins are made of and have them shoot it
MOST would toss it in the trash, UNLESS YOU HEARD IT, heres a picture of the side view of the cent and one witha dime
i dont know, but im keeping it, lol! too odd for me to discount as trash
and i KNOW cents dont have reeded edges, yet another reason for my query of foreign coins, and if a dime flee into a cent set of dies the reeds would almost be erased wouldnt they, or something, since the dime is SMALLER than the cent ?
It's been acid treated, either intentionally or unintentionally. The surfaces and degraded detail show that.
Reduced by acid. Throw it in the trash.
It's a regular cent corroded by acid or another corrosive. Period. No mystery.
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i think ill keep my trash coin, and until i go get the test from a jeweler or pawn shop, nobody will know what it is. maybe ill drop by rick snows eagle eye shop here in tucson, and let a professional put their eyes on it, was looking for opinions before i trucked it into town on a mission, lol!
You got lots of professional opinions, and they're all correct.
This is an acid treated Cent that is hardly worth face value now. The simplest explanation is usually the correct one. You are WAY overthinking this damaged coin.
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i was just trying to do MY part and do as much investigation into the coin as i could, i.e. my question about foreign coins produced by our mint, 1950 is a lot older than me, , well not much, and people have been collecting and im sure debating issues like this since coinage began. i considered it could be acid or some other corrosive, but im not sure it would only be that thin if it did lose a third of its weight, i would expect it to be a third thinner. And a copper coin is going to sound like a copper coin, no matter how much wear or whatever, a silver coin is always going to sound like a silver coin no matter how much wear, am i correct?
Let us know what Rick has to say as he will be able to examine the coin in hand vs only some blurry photos. My guess is he will confirm what you have been told here.
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That coin did not leave the Mint looking anywhere near the way it does now –
it’s been Acid-treated /chemically treated, and it’s not an error coin of any kind or type
As others have said, it’s barely worth a Cent– spend it or throw it in the trash, so others do not get confused as you have about it.
Collect as much trash as you want. Brag about trash if you want. That said, you'll get more enthusiasm on a trash-collecting forum than you will on a coin forum.
An interesting bit about acid treatment: if the acid has been used to treat other metals, there can occasionally be a redox-related thin deposition of the earlier dissolved metal material on surfaces of other metals....
Anyway, I quite agree that with such a coin that the weight is near meaningless.
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I don’t think it is an acid coin, looks more like severe corrosion from what I can see.
In either case it is PMD, not an error or struck on a foreign planchet.
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Thickness matters to the ring. If you drop a very thin silver coin, you won't get the "ring". And if you drop a very thick silver medal, you also get a different tone.
Please tell Rick that we tried.
and a thin copper cent, worn smooth sounds like a silver coin? wonder why none of my other TRASH sound like they are silver, just plain old CRAP? I hope you think your smart ass remarks belittling me, and making suppositions in your head about me, makes you feel superior, and somehow someway , you feel better about yourself, if not for your sunny disposition and rapier wit, but because you can run me down and make yourself better in your mind, because i collect your "trash". its truly a wonder to me, that there are just so many hateful sounding comments on these boards, that any collector, new or old, would ever even ask a question, with answers like these.. Its a shame, not much has seemed to have changed since i got out of the hobby and had a family, and now. I DONT like being attacked or called a trash collector-no offense to sanitation workers- because im disabled and on a FIXED income. id love to just lace this post with profanity and bile about how people like that REALLY make me feel, but im not going to waste any more time fueling the fires of narcissistic, childish imbeciles that dont help, just want to tear down, and talk out the sides of their necks. i HOPE this makes you feel good about the person you are portraying yourself as, Im a disabled father of 3,,on a fixed income, AND ILL KEEP THEM ALL, my kids & all my trash as you say, its what i can afford, so that is what i get. i only have over 700 graded pcgs and ngc coins, i guess its trash
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The coin is damaged. Acid is the best bet.
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looks like some of the coins i get in change every once in awhile
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To make some helpful comments that have not yet been made in this thread.
Here is a website that lists every single foreign coin struck by the US mint, sorted by country: https://libertycoinservice.com/wp-content/uploads/learning-center/collectors-checklist-foreign-coins-by-us-mint-type.pdf
By my reading of the list, and cross-checking with the NGC database to double-check the coins actually exist for that year, the foreign coins struck by US mints in 1950 were:
- El Salvador 5 centavos (5 grams, cupronickel)
- Syria ½ pound and pound (gold)
None of which could fit your coin. So it seems the answer is "no", it's not a foreign planchet.
The "milled edge" does require explaining. I do note that there are severe gashes and grooves cut into the coin, most notably to the left of the portrait. I strongly suspect the "milled edge" is just a similar set of grooves, cut into the edge - perhaps put there by pliers or some similar tool.
Regarding the "ring" or "tone" of the coin. Silver does not really have a "sound" that is unique to the element. The sound a coin (or any other metal object) makes when struck depends on three things: the object's shape, the elemental composition of the metal, and the crystalline structure within the metal, which is determined by how the metal was fashioned or worked - a struck coin will have a different sound to a cast coin, even if they are the exact same size and composition.
The shape of a coin is far more important to its "sound" than he composition. So yes, a copper coin can be made to sound "just like a silver coin", by having a different shape. In this case, becoming thinner seems to have done the trick.
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ok, i get everybodys "expert" opinions, but riddle me this, why does it come up with different numbers on my metal detector if i put a wheatie down and that coin down? im getting higher numbers on the "trash", how could that be possible? higher numbers indicate silver, but you know, i said you have got to have it in your hand , and im NOT from missouri, but maybe i should be, because you got to show me? i mean , you alchemists out there, can you PLEASE explain to me the process involved that would make two "copper" cents of the SAME year read entirely different numbers on my metal detector? i guess i didnt mention that when i posted originally, might have helped me zero out my "trash" comments, that i APPRECITE SO MUCH, and maybe made a few of you scratch your heads a little bit before you chop someone to pieces for questioning your knee jerk obvious answers. i thought acid dipped. i thought thin planchet, i CANT get over the different numbers on my detector. MAYBE my machine thinks its two different coins for a reason? like, maybe its a different COMPOSITION than the other coin? i dont know, what do i know on my first rodeo, right? i do clearly appreciated having my other post removed, i guess when you hit too close to home, the beings in charge dont want others to hear my legitimate gripe, and take on the way the "hobby" hasnt seemed to change much in 20+ years.. IDGAF, i was NOT offensive to anyone that hadnt just called me trash, and i guess the truth hurts too much when you point it out, and i think when they looked in the mirror, they saw i was right. i DONT have money, i have a family, ive been disabled since my youngest was three hes 15 now. i OWN my home,and 2 cars, including a soon to be finished, fully restored 1968 Chevrolet Camaro, and over 700 graded pcgs and ngc coins and i have ZERO DEBT. BUT, if that makes me the "trash" collector, well damn, give me some more trash like that, any day of the week! i must have been bidding against him for the dime! lol! no offense was meant to ruffle any feathers, or on purpose, im just trying to FIGURE THIS OUT, DEFINITIVELY,what this is that i have, BEFORE i spend money that is budgeted for a need, to send it in to tpg and have it come back body bagged, wouldnt do my family any good, short or long term. SO if anybody NOW knows what i got please chime in your thought on WHY it comes up as a different number on my metal detector? i DONT THINK, i may be wrong, that acid would change the signal of the metal detector, on the coin. if its copper, its copper and the detector can tell if its copper from a tiny piece of wire to a plate of copper, you will know its copper not ANY other metal(depending on depth and size, of course, copper plate on the surface higher number) with silver reading higher numbers than copper, WHATS your thoughts NOW.
dont forget the australian six pence or the ones from i think colombia, and there ARE others as well,-i looked already lol
six pence is almost the same size as a penny
will acid treatment change the reading on my metal detector?
Yes, it will.
Try this: Will a 90% silver dime have the same reading on your metal detector as a 90% silver quarter? You know it won't. The same principle holds: size and thickness affect the properties of a coin even when the composition doesn't change.