@CaptHenway said:
What is that above the E of ONE that is more prominent in the CAC photo?
I’m not sure what the cause was.
This is probably pareidolia but it looks like a clash with the top of a wheat stalk.
Sean Reynolds
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@CaptHenway said:
What is that above the E of ONE that is more prominent in the CAC photo?
I’m not sure what the cause was.
Ah, feed finger die scrapes. There are several reverse dies with various feed finger die scrapes in this area. They vary in length and strength, and should not affect the grade.
Numismatist. 54 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Author of "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.
Could you please send me the entire CAC image?
Thanks.
Numismatist. 54 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Author of "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.
That is a very nice coin. Is there something on the coin in hand that I am not seeing in the picture that would prevent it from being a higher number and/or color?
I thought my ownership bias was thinking this coin should have a higher grade. Other than having been been graded by a company that grades a little more conservatively I don’t see any distractions. The color is BN without a doubt. Here is the CAC photo.
Robec was kind enough to send me the originals of these. The reverse die is definitely an earlier die state of the reverse die of my Die Pair #11A, BEFORE it cracked at 7:30 or so up through the O of OF. The die chip in the lower left inside of the O of OF is the die marker.
However, the obverse shows this odd dot above the L of LIBERTY that I have never seen before. Could just be a tiny die chip that later got polished off the die, or I suppose it could just be a tiny bit of foreign matter on the surface of the coin pretending to be a die chip. Does anybody have another coin with a small dot above the L?
THanks.
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I had posted this earlier in the thread, but I’m still confused what it is. It was bought raw off eBay and I sent it to ANACS and it came back 1922,D AU50 ( not called weak, or Faint D). What is it? The reverse is rotated about 5 degrees counterclockwise
@ambro51 said:
I had posted this earlier in the thread, but I’m still confused what it is. It was bought raw off eBay and I sent it to ANACS and it came back 1922,D AU50 ( not called weak, or Faint D). What is it? The reverse is rotated about 5 degrees counterclockwise
That appears to be my "Die Pair #6" in the "VLDS/VLDS" die states with a "Very Faint D." It is one of the most significant of the new DeLorey varieties because so much of the D is gone, though it never reached a "No D" die state.
I gave them three copies of my book to use in the grading room. Ask them if they will re-label it for you as a "DP#6, VLDS/VLDS, Very Faint D."
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Can’t grade it from a picture. At least a 50. Lots of color.
Numismatist. 54 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Author of "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.
Nice Die Pair #2 in the middle there. You can see the obverse die diagnostic that I illustrate in the book.
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Took new pics of this one. I am thinking of getting this graded and putting the Die #0 into my date set album.
Sean Reynolds
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@seanq said:
Took new pics of this one. I am thinking of getting this graded and putting the Die #0 into my date set album.
Sean Reynolds
Do me a favor. Ask ANACS if they will certify it as a Die Pair #Zero, reference number DeLorey-2200.
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.............right down to the fuzzy beard on Lincoln.
Pete
They did make many fine coins that year. In my opinion that is why so many of the really well-worn die strikes are rare in high grade, because o collector of the 1920's would have kept a coin like this in their collection rather than one of the real horrible strikes from rotten dies. You know, the coins I love!
Numismatist. 54 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Author of "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.
.............right down to the fuzzy beard on Lincoln.
Pete
They did make many fine coins that year. In my opinion that is why so many of the really well-worn die strikes are rare in high grade, because o collector of the 1920's would have kept a coin like this in their collection rather than one of the real horrible strikes from rotten dies. You know, the coins I love!
I've told this story before, but in the mid 1990s my company used a design firm on West 57th St in New York, not far from the Stacks storefront. One afternoon after a meeting I popped in and mentioned I was a Lincoln cent collector. The clerk then showed me a magnificent group of Wayte Raymond boards containing complete date sets of Indian and Wheat cents, spectacular red uncirculated coins with gentle toning from the cardboard. They had just taken them in over the counter and were not ready to sell, but he told me the next time I came back, I could pick one of the 1922-D cents, naming me a very reasonable price.
A few weeks later I was back in the area, stopped in and told a different clerk about our conversation. He looked suspicious but it was obvious I had talked to someone and had seen the sets, so he brought them back out for me. I picked a monster strike with bright orange fields and red toning, happily paid and brought it home.
A couple of years later, I decided to make my first submission to PCGS. The local dealer I used spent a long time trying to talk me out of it, telling me why my coins were not worthy of professional grading. He asked me what I thought the '22-D would grade and told him it was a 65RD all day. He literally laughed at me, but eventually took my money and sent in the coins. A couple of months later he got them back, and when I picked them, up he asked me again what I thought the '22-D would grade. I told him it was a 65RD. He shook his head and handed me the coin in its new PCGS MS65RD holder.
I sold it in the late 1990s at the WESPNEX show, while my wife was pregnant with our first child. Today it is worth at least 15x what I got for it. When people talk about coins they would like to have back, that is one I always think of.
Sean Reynolds
Incomplete planchets wanted, especially Lincoln Cents & type coins.
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
@CaptHenway said:
Some people like coins from new dies. Some people like coins from old dies. Here is a 1922 "No D" Cent from ANACS Die Pair #4 in what I am calling the XXLDS obverse die state, where the D is totally worn off of the die.
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I’m not sure what the cause was.
- Bob -
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This is probably pareidolia but it looks like a clash with the top of a wheat stalk.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
Ah, feed finger die scrapes. There are several reverse dies with various feed finger die scrapes in this area. They vary in length and strength, and should not affect the grade.
Could you please send me the entire CAC image?
Thanks.
Robec was kind enough to send me the originals of these. The reverse die is definitely an earlier die state of the reverse die of my Die Pair #11A, BEFORE it cracked at 7:30 or so up through the O of OF. The die chip in the lower left inside of the O of OF is the die marker.
However, the obverse shows this odd dot above the L of LIBERTY that I have never seen before. Could just be a tiny die chip that later got polished off the die, or I suppose it could just be a tiny bit of foreign matter on the surface of the coin pretending to be a die chip. Does anybody have another coin with a small dot above the L?
THanks.
No.
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I had posted this earlier in the thread, but I’m still confused what it is. It was bought raw off eBay and I sent it to ANACS and it came back 1922,D AU50 ( not called weak, or Faint D). What is it? The reverse is rotated about 5 degrees counterclockwise
That appears to be my "Die Pair #6" in the "VLDS/VLDS" die states with a "Very Faint D." It is one of the most significant of the new DeLorey varieties because so much of the D is gone, though it never reached a "No D" die state.
I gave them three copies of my book to use in the grading room. Ask them if they will re-label it for you as a "DP#6, VLDS/VLDS, Very Faint D."
Ahhh. Yes I’ll do that. I guess grading is difficult but what do you give it? I find this die pair listed on Greyshest but not imaged., so
Can’t grade it from a picture. At least a 50. Lots of color.
I'd send it to CACG. PCGS Trueviews have reverted back to being overexposed and horrible again.
Nice Die Pair #2 in the middle there. You can see the obverse die diagnostic that I illustrate in the book.
Took new pics of this one. I am thinking of getting this graded and putting the Die #0 into my date set album.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
Do me a favor. Ask ANACS if they will certify it as a Die Pair #Zero, reference number DeLorey-2200.
Thanks, love the book. I'm reading it for a second time, I raced through it and now I'm enjoying a second reading at a leisurely pace.
In my opinion, this coin is exceptional!
.............right down to the fuzzy beard on Lincoln.
Pete
They did make many fine coins that year. In my opinion that is why so many of the really well-worn die strikes are rare in high grade, because o collector of the 1920's would have kept a coin like this in their collection rather than one of the real horrible strikes from rotten dies. You know, the coins I love!
I've told this story before, but in the mid 1990s my company used a design firm on West 57th St in New York, not far from the Stacks storefront. One afternoon after a meeting I popped in and mentioned I was a Lincoln cent collector. The clerk then showed me a magnificent group of Wayte Raymond boards containing complete date sets of Indian and Wheat cents, spectacular red uncirculated coins with gentle toning from the cardboard. They had just taken them in over the counter and were not ready to sell, but he told me the next time I came back, I could pick one of the 1922-D cents, naming me a very reasonable price.
A few weeks later I was back in the area, stopped in and told a different clerk about our conversation. He looked suspicious but it was obvious I had talked to someone and had seen the sets, so he brought them back out for me. I picked a monster strike with bright orange fields and red toning, happily paid and brought it home.
A couple of years later, I decided to make my first submission to PCGS. The local dealer I used spent a long time trying to talk me out of it, telling me why my coins were not worthy of professional grading. He asked me what I thought the '22-D would grade and told him it was a 65RD all day. He literally laughed at me, but eventually took my money and sent in the coins. A couple of months later he got them back, and when I picked them, up he asked me again what I thought the '22-D would grade. I told him it was a 65RD. He shook his head and handed me the coin in its new PCGS MS65RD holder.
I sold it in the late 1990s at the WESPNEX show, while my wife was pregnant with our first child. Today it is worth at least 15x what I got for it. When people talk about coins they would like to have back, that is one I always think of.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
Sean: it's stories like yours and Tom's comments that remind me why I love coin collecting.
Pete
This is all awesome coin! Congrats!
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✓ Everyman Mint State Carson City Morgan Dollars (1878 – 1893)
✓ Morgan Dollar GSA Hoard (1878 – 1891)
✓ Everyman Mint State Lincoln Cents (1909 – 1958)
✓ Matte Proof Toned Lincoln Cents (1909 – 1916)