@halosfan said:
Always such a great variety of cards in these monthly threads. Waiting on my next AROD sub to get through grading and came across this set. I’ll have to slab up the rest of them.
Fernandomania! Won his first 8 starts back in 1981, 5 of them being shutouts. Went on to quite the career with 6 all-star appearances in 6 straight years, WS champ, CY Young and ROY in 1981, Gold Glove, 2x silver slugger, no hitter.
Sosh also makes his RC appearance here, He is the only MLB player and manager to spend his entire career playing and managing with one team on each side, Dodger and Angels respectively. 2x All star, 3x WS champ, 2x AL manager of the year.
Perconte lasted for 6 years in the majors. Managed to steal 60 bases in 68 attempts for the Mariners. Runs Marathons and teaches youths about baseball.
Love the front, typical O/C back for this card. Quite the trifecta! I will post my own scans when it arrives in a few days.
check out this nice 82 donruss baseball set i got this week. very happy with the ripken no surface problems and great centering. the lee smith rookie has a ding on the upper right corner. ryan is real good.
i also got a nice 83 donruss set. the ripken is bad two bad corner dings. the big three rookies are really nice great corners and centering and great surfaces.
Nice Trottier! Always loved that card for some reason, such a snapshot in time of hockey in the mid late 70s. Tiny shoulder pads, jersey over skin, very cool.
It's uncommon for me to purchase a card if not in person, but I do make exceptions 4-5 times a year.
Wanted one with closer to perfect borders but only 12 of these 1978 OPC's, I was not sure when I'd see another 9. It plug's one of the holes in my Reggie completest type collection.
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
I have always liked this card...but severe tilt issues with the image precluded me from adding this card to my collection.
Then...this copy surfaced and I was sold. Same image used here...as in the 1968 Tom Seaver card (which I own in a PSA-9 and purchased from Superior Sportscards at a National in Chicago ~1993)...but the 1969 design trumps the 1968 burlap design.
@mintonlypls said:
I have always liked this card...but severe tilt issues with the image precluded me from adding this card to my collection.
Then...this copy surfaced and I was sold. Same image used here...as in the 1968 Tom Seaver card (which I own in a PSA-9 and purchased from Superior Sportscards at a National in Chicago ~1993)...but the 1969 design trumps the 1968 burlap design.
hey mintonlypls,
Nice looking Tom.... 93 National in Chicago: Time of my life...Oh Yeah...
My Feb special just popped and I got killed, especially on Pre-70 stuff.
This is a PSA 4 folks. (Not a typo. Yeah, yeah...but the surface? The surface was good)
I was thinking 6, and given the other 6's I've seen, a 7 would be a gift but not outrageous.
And if you're planning to send in any '69 Deckle Edge, don't.
Mine were really clean, and while some had surface micro scratches, others were pretty perfect surfaces.
Basically 5's and 6's across the board, with a 4 and a 7 to break it up. (Was each card looked at individually?)
The '80's cards were mostly graded correctly. A couple missed by 1 point.
And then the Jordan. It wasn't a 5 when I sent it in.
@RonSportscards said:
My Feb special just popped and I got killed, especially on Pre-70 stuff.
This is a PSA 4 folks. (Not a typo. Yeah, yeah...but the surface? The surface was good)
I was thinking 6, and given the other 6's I've seen, a 7 would be a gift but not outrageous.
And if you're planning to send in any '69 Deckle Edge, don't.
Mine were really clean, and while some had surface micro scratches, others were pretty perfect surfaces.
Basically 5's and 6's across the board, with a 4 and a 7 to break it up. (Was each card looked at individually?)
The '80's cards were mostly graded correctly. A couple missed by 1 point.
And then the Jordan. It wasn't a 5 when I sent it in.
I feel your pain.
I had at least 4 come back last week that had been damaged somewhere between leaving my house and arriving. Big, 1" lone creases along the bottom of each card like it got wedged between something.
@RonSportscards said:
My Feb special just popped and I got killed, especially on Pre-70 stuff.
This is a PSA 4 folks. (Not a typo. Yeah, yeah...but the surface? The surface was good)
I was thinking 6, and given the other 6's I've seen, a 7 would be a gift but not outrageous.
And if you're planning to send in any '69 Deckle Edge, don't.
Mine were really clean, and while some had surface micro scratches, others were pretty perfect surfaces.
Basically 5's and 6's across the board, with a 4 and a 7 to break it up. (Was each card looked at individually?)
The '80's cards were mostly graded correctly. A couple missed by 1 point.
And then the Jordan. It wasn't a 5 when I sent it in.
You have pretty much sealed the deal on me having hope for my vintage sub. 4's are low-mid grade....and your cards are not mid grade whatsoever. My cards have been done with the grading stage since 28 June and simply nothing. Now with the National, I may not see my cards for another month or more. Dare I say this....this is basically not even fun anymore. It used to be my favorite part of the hobby. Buying nice raw cards and then submitting them.
@RonSportscards said:
My Feb special just popped and I got killed, especially on Pre-70 stuff.
This is a PSA 4 folks. (Not a typo. Yeah, yeah...but the surface? The surface was good)
I was thinking 6, and given the other 6's I've seen, a 7 would be a gift but not outrageous.
And if you're planning to send in any '69 Deckle Edge, don't.
Mine were really clean, and while some had surface micro scratches, others were pretty perfect surfaces.
Basically 5's and 6's across the board, with a 4 and a 7 to break it up. (Was each card looked at individually?)
The '80's cards were mostly graded correctly. A couple missed by 1 point.
And then the Jordan. It wasn't a 5 when I sent it in.
You have pretty much sealed the deal on me having hope for my vintage sub. 4's are low-mid grade....and your cards are not mid grade whatsoever. My cards have been done with the grading stage since 28 June and simply nothing. Now with the National, I may not see my cards for another month or more. Dare I say this....this is basically not even fun anymore. It used to be my favorite part of the hobby. Buying nice raw cards and then submitting them.
I'm the same, man. I used to LOVE submitting, and it encouraged me to buy & rip. I don't even consider buying unopened anymore unless it is so cheap I can't pass it up. There's just no upside anymore.
@Mickey71 said:
Dare I say this....this is basically not even fun anymore. It used to be my favorite part of the hobby. Buying nice raw cards and then submitting them.
I got screwed 20+ years ago by PSA and it stopped being fun, and I stopped.
Before this popped, I sent in a 50-card sub for the 80s July special, and if I got hammered again, I may be out.
I also have a stack of cherry picked 70s cards, but I'm real hesitant now.
I have a stack of Deckle Edge I didn't send in, thinking they'd be 3s and 4s.
I send in my better ones and I still see 4s and 5s?
I see others for sale that are tilted and borderline miscut that are PSA 7s and 8s.
When a card owner and the TPG disagree on a card’s grade, who’s to say who has the “better eye” and who’s right or wrong? It’s not my automatic default position to side with the card owner. Human error can happen on both sides.
@DBesse27 said:
When a card owner and the TPG disagree on a card’s grade, who’s to say who has the “better eye” and who’s right or wrong? It’s not my automatic default position to side with the card owner. Human error can happen on both sides.
Very true; but one very important thing needs to be put in this equation. The TPG has been in business for 32 years and has written standards and millions of cards that have been in the marketplace. The applied standards of the 1st 30 years seem to not be used at this point. The last couple of years is a separate set of grading standards. Question is....what are the standards???
@DBesse27 said:
When a card owner and the TPG disagree on a card’s grade, who’s to say who has the “better eye” and who’s right or wrong? It’s not my automatic default position to side with the card owner. Human error can happen on both sides.
For sure. I"m just amazed at the inconsistency.
I try not to put much blame on PSA though it does probably sneak out more than I'd like. I'm human and will miss things.
@DBesse27 said:
When a card owner and the TPG disagree on a card’s grade, who’s to say who has the “better eye” and who’s right or wrong? It’s not my automatic default position to side with the card owner. Human error can happen on both sides.
For sure. I"m just amazed at the inconsistency.
I try not to put much blame on PSA though it does probably sneak out more than I'd like. I'm human and will miss things.
That’s all I’m saying. I know I don’t have the eye to be a professional grader and I’ve only complained about 2 of my 700+ cards I’ve graded. On one of those I’m likely still wrong (the other bumped after a crack out).
@DBesse27 said:
When a card owner and the TPG disagree on a card’s grade, who’s to say who has the “better eye” and who’s right or wrong? It’s not my automatic default position to side with the card owner. Human error can happen on both sides.
Very true; but one very important thing needs to be put in this equation. The TPG has been in business for 32 years and has written standards and millions of cards that have been in the marketplace. The applied standards of the 1st 30 years seem to not be used at this point. The last couple of years is a separate set of grading standards. Question is....what are the standards???
And yet people here will say standards have not changed from day 1. I'm very realistic and I'm not one of those guys that think every card of mine is a 10. 1 grading point miss can be debated, but 2 or 3 points discrepancy is a problem and possibly a systemic problem if it occurs mainly in a subset of cards, like vintage, for example.
I can't say as a blanket statement,
the last couple of year's standards have changed across the board, because my 90s special results were mostly on point as compared to my "eye". Admittedly, some of those 8s I thought were 9s, were rightfully 8s after reexamination. But again we're talking 1 point, not 2, 3, or 4 points off.
Not saying this is definitely the case with either the Rose or the Guidry, since nobody can tell for certain from a pic (and only the fronts), but usually the reason for an unexpected PSA 4 on an otherwise sharp card is a faint surface wrinkle on either the front or the back.
My latest addition. Pop 4 with one (off centered) 9 higher. Helped to offset my latest batch of 4's with razor sharp corners and edges from my recent sub.
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How have I never seen these? Those are very cool.
Cool Holsum card - wonder why Payton is wearing #21?
Got a triple in the mail today for the 1975 Giants set
Payton was originally assigned 21 in his first camp with the Bears but switched to 34 before the start of that season.
hey Kidhof,
I wanna know more about the buildings in the background there...
@GroceryRackPack you know more than I do
Needed this for my 58 set:
Funny! So, there’s the ‘58 Yankees right above this post and here’s the same team two years later. What are the odds!
Pretty tough to find these and I love ‘em.
1960 New York Yankees Tri Fold - Yankees Team
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Pretty stoked for this addition to the Rookie Cup auto chase that came in today.
www.questfortherookiecup.com
Fernandomania! Won his first 8 starts back in 1981, 5 of them being shutouts. Went on to quite the career with 6 all-star appearances in 6 straight years, WS champ, CY Young and ROY in 1981, Gold Glove, 2x silver slugger, no hitter.
Sosh also makes his RC appearance here, He is the only MLB player and manager to spend his entire career playing and managing with one team on each side, Dodger and Angels respectively. 2x All star, 3x WS champ, 2x AL manager of the year.
Perconte lasted for 6 years in the majors. Managed to steal 60 bases in 68 attempts for the Mariners. Runs Marathons and teaches youths about baseball.
Love the front, typical O/C back for this card. Quite the trifecta! I will post my own scans when it arrives in a few days.
Edit: 7/24/2023 Added my own scans
Nic
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It's been a good week:
check out this nice 82 donruss baseball set i got this week. very happy with the ripken no surface problems and great centering. the lee smith rookie has a ding on the upper right corner. ryan is real good.
i also got a nice 83 donruss set. the ripken is bad two bad corner dings. the big three rookies are really nice great corners and centering and great surfaces.
Picked this up recently and now have all the big 3 OPC Islander rookies (Potvin, Bossy, Trottier) all in PSA 8!
Nice Trottier! Always loved that card for some reason, such a snapshot in time of hockey in the mid late 70s. Tiny shoulder pads, jersey over skin, very cool.
Here are a few of my favorites (I'm a huge Stabler guy) just in from grading...
hey BBBrkrr,
Oh Yeah...Very Nice...
It's uncommon for me to purchase a card if not in person, but I do make exceptions 4-5 times a year.
Wanted one with closer to perfect borders but only 12 of these 1978 OPC's, I was not sure when I'd see another 9. It plug's one of the holes in my Reggie completest type collection.
It's the singer not the song - Peter Townshend (1972)
2004 spx
1989 topps psa 10
1959 phillies
Phillies of the 70's
I like Deron Johnson...who also played for the Reds in the mid 1960s and was a good hitter.
@82FootballWaxMemorys that Reggie is gorgeous! Great pickup.
A few things that I've gotten over the last few weeks
I like 71 Topps.
I collect hall of fame rookie cards, https://www.instagram.com/stwainfan/
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An all time ABA kind of month
I guess this is before his boxing days lol.
I collect hall of fame rookie cards, https://www.instagram.com/stwainfan/
I have always liked this card...but severe tilt issues with the image precluded me from adding this card to my collection.
Then...this copy surfaced and I was sold. Same image used here...as in the 1968 Tom Seaver card (which I own in a PSA-9 and purchased from Superior Sportscards at a National in Chicago ~1993)...but the 1969 design trumps the 1968 burlap design.
I would rather own 100 copies of the1969 Ryan's, Benches, and Seavers than any one of the 1968 rookie items. Never liked that burlap finish
hey mintonlypls,
Nice looking Tom.... 93 National in Chicago: Time of my life...Oh Yeah...
Some baseball and non-sport additions
Been wanting one of these for a while...
And this unopened box of FPG Colossal cards - Art of TSR.
Great ‘69 Seaver. Been looking for a well centered tilt free one for years. That is a beauty.
No idea the TSR cards exist. Loved their art as a kid. Cool box.
My Feb special just popped and I got killed, especially on Pre-70 stuff.
This is a PSA 4 folks. (Not a typo. Yeah, yeah...but the surface? The surface was good)
I was thinking 6, and given the other 6's I've seen, a 7 would be a gift but not outrageous.
And if you're planning to send in any '69 Deckle Edge, don't.
Mine were really clean, and while some had surface micro scratches, others were pretty perfect surfaces.
Basically 5's and 6's across the board, with a 4 and a 7 to break it up. (Was each card looked at individually?)
The '80's cards were mostly graded correctly. A couple missed by 1 point.
And then the Jordan. It wasn't a 5 when I sent it in.
That is an extremely exceptional PSA-4!!!!!!!
I feel your pain.
I had at least 4 come back last week that had been damaged somewhere between leaving my house and arriving. Big, 1" lone creases along the bottom of each card like it got wedged between something.
You have pretty much sealed the deal on me having hope for my vintage sub. 4's are low-mid grade....and your cards are not mid grade whatsoever. My cards have been done with the grading stage since 28 June and simply nothing. Now with the National, I may not see my cards for another month or more. Dare I say this....this is basically not even fun anymore. It used to be my favorite part of the hobby. Buying nice raw cards and then submitting them.
I'm the same, man. I used to LOVE submitting, and it encouraged me to buy & rip. I don't even consider buying unopened anymore unless it is so cheap I can't pass it up. There's just no upside anymore.
I got screwed 20+ years ago by PSA and it stopped being fun, and I stopped.
Before this popped, I sent in a 50-card sub for the 80s July special, and if I got hammered again, I may be out.
I also have a stack of cherry picked 70s cards, but I'm real hesitant now.
I have a stack of Deckle Edge I didn't send in, thinking they'd be 3s and 4s.
I send in my better ones and I still see 4s and 5s?
I see others for sale that are tilted and borderline miscut that are PSA 7s and 8s.
When a card owner and the TPG disagree on a card’s grade, who’s to say who has the “better eye” and who’s right or wrong? It’s not my automatic default position to side with the card owner. Human error can happen on both sides.
Yaz Master Set
#1 Gino Cappelletti master set
#1 John Hannah master set
Also collecting Andre Tippett, Patriots Greats' RCs, Dwight Evans, 1964 Venezuelan Topps, 1974 Topps Red Sox
Very true; but one very important thing needs to be put in this equation. The TPG has been in business for 32 years and has written standards and millions of cards that have been in the marketplace. The applied standards of the 1st 30 years seem to not be used at this point. The last couple of years is a separate set of grading standards. Question is....what are the standards???
For sure. I"m just amazed at the inconsistency.
I try not to put much blame on PSA though it does probably sneak out more than I'd like. I'm human and will miss things.
That’s all I’m saying. I know I don’t have the eye to be a professional grader and I’ve only complained about 2 of my 700+ cards I’ve graded. On one of those I’m likely still wrong (the other bumped after a crack out).
Yaz Master Set
#1 Gino Cappelletti master set
#1 John Hannah master set
Also collecting Andre Tippett, Patriots Greats' RCs, Dwight Evans, 1964 Venezuelan Topps, 1974 Topps Red Sox
And yet people here will say standards have not changed from day 1. I'm very realistic and I'm not one of those guys that think every card of mine is a 10. 1 grading point miss can be debated, but 2 or 3 points discrepancy is a problem and possibly a systemic problem if it occurs mainly in a subset of cards, like vintage, for example.
I can't say as a blanket statement,
the last couple of year's standards have changed across the board, because my 90s special results were mostly on point as compared to my "eye". Admittedly, some of those 8s I thought were 9s, were rightfully 8s after reexamination. But again we're talking 1 point, not 2, 3, or 4 points off.
My "4" and another recently graded 4.
They sure don't look equal to me.
...and mine vs. a recent PSA 6 ebay sale.
Here are 2 different 4s I've received in the past 12 months. I've had the Yount since I was a kid and just wanted it slabbed.
Not saying this is definitely the case with either the Rose or the Guidry, since nobody can tell for certain from a pic (and only the fronts), but usually the reason for an unexpected PSA 4 on an otherwise sharp card is a faint surface wrinkle on either the front or the back.
Yaz Master Set
#1 Gino Cappelletti master set
#1 John Hannah master set
Also collecting Andre Tippett, Patriots Greats' RCs, Dwight Evans, 1964 Venezuelan Topps, 1974 Topps Red Sox
This one is a charming card from a charming set. Not (even close to) high grade and here’s to not giving a frog’s fat ass!
1959 Bazooka - Willie Mays
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hey 51Wheaties,
Willie would say: Oh Wow...That's Cool...
what if the frog was skinny ???
Thought this was a nice looker for the grade.
My latest addition. Pop 4 with one (off centered) 9 higher. Helped to offset my latest batch of 4's with razor sharp corners and edges from my recent sub.
Late 60's and early to mid 70's non-sports
Big Papi first year refractor.
Dang it!
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