1893-S VF35 Morgans - Which one of these CAC'd? -- REVEALED --
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Just curious what the crowd will say. Both of these were submitted to CAC. One stickered, one didn't. Can you guess which one and why?
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Coin A:
Coin B:
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A because toning
Coin B received the CAC sticker.
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I'll say A was CAC stickered.
B didn't because it's been harshly cleaned, overly dipped but long ago.
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I didn't notice the "why" portion from the OP. The simple and somewhat snarky response is that coin B received the CAC sticker because, from the images only, I like coin B better and my CAC success rate is very, very high. The not so snarky response is because coin A appears to have had the **** scrubbed out of it while coin B appears to have retained some original dirt and has a more pleasing and natural looking grey color.
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What grade is on the holder of each coin?
The title of the thread says VF35, which I imagine applies to both pieces.
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I would guess Coin B stickered between the two.
One aspect that stands out to me on Coin A is the look of the protected areas, specifically the edges around “God” on the reverse being so straight/rectangular. Still not a bad looking example overall, but the “help” seems more apparent based on the images.
Thanks, next time I’ll remind myself to read the title. Good place to insert that emoji of the guy smacking himself on the forehead.
I’m going with coin b. Mainly because I agree with what TomB said and he’s right most of the time
I also like coin b better
Martin
Coin B, dirt and all
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B. Coin A appears messed with.
Both examples appear to have been dipped and have acquired some secondary toning. There appears to be some hairlines on example A. Therefore, I'll guess that example B was approved.
I will guess coin B... After due consideration, I just like B better than A... We shall see if CAC agrees...
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I would go with coin B. I see faint hairlines on coin A, and there are halos around some of the devices. It may have been cleaned with something like baking soda years ago.
Depending upon the price, I would not reject either of them. The sharpness grade is accurate, the eye appeal is good for the grade, and there are no distractions, like rim issues.
Coin B stickered.
I like B better for originality. Coin A has more meat for a VF35 and luster in photos but agree looks like it was dipped and maybe wiped.
I am going against the grain and saying coin A because it has more luster.
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Both coins look badly cleaned, I'm surprised either of them passed CAC. I'll pick A I suppose, B just looks dead.
My choice coin A. Coin B really dead looking, dullish. Even if B does sticker, pass on it. Let somebody else pay all the CAC money on it. B cheek not as nice vs A. More I look at A seems it has less wear.
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I would say A stickered due to toning and the lack of marks on the cheek.
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Always difficult judging from only a photo and we're all entitled to our opinions, but doubt you'll find many knowledgeable Morgan collectors who view both of these as badly cleaned. Assuming our host has certified at least 1 of them also. Was A dipped and maybe wiped many years ago, then retoned, almost 100%. Is either the cream of the crop for an original VF35, not really. Would I be disappointed owing either as a VF35, no.
If you supersize A you will see it is not as mark free as at first glance. Nice dent in forehead, under the eye and on the nose, but expected for a well circulated coin. Only slightly better then B which unfortunately has the hit right on the eye.
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Thank you guys for the insightful comments and discussion. I am the owner of coin A. I originally started this thread because I encountered coin B and when comparing wear I concluded that they were similar/comparable and solid for VF35. Mine (coin A) was denied CAC but B had a CAC sticker. So because I didn't think it was due to wear, which the comments here seem to agree, I was curious to find out what other people were seeing. It's amazing what you can miss until someone points it out.
While I would be reluctant to do so, I'm curious what PCGS coin restoration/conservation could do if anything to improve/fix coin A surfaces. I'm not optimistic they could do anything or that it would accomplish anything. I know most of you here will say leave it alone. But if anyone thinks it might help I'd be interested to hear that.
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I know of a guy sent 20 or more toners to CAC none stickered. At recent show on the West Coast setup near me he sold quite a few of them (probably at least half). One guy bought multiple pieces shelling out lots of Bens. I can’t really tell you what do with coin A. It appears have good sales potential without spending extra money. At that $10k plus level that’s your call. Perhaps the PCGS conservation people may have answer.
To be clear, I'm happy to have the coin. Some day inevitably I'll upgrade to a 40 or 45 hopefully and then it'll be time to sell. I'm not worried about being able to sell it, but if I can spend $100-150 on PCGS restoration and improve the sale price by $1000 that's a deal I'll take all day long.
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PCGS can't undo a previous dipping of a circulated coin, it can't undo hairlines that pop-up in images or as a coin is rotated in the light and the only way it can undo the unpleasant (in my opinion) yellowish tone on coin A is to dip it again, which would likely make it a ghastly white. The coins are what they are. You might want to submit coin A to CAC again, but I would very much expect another rejection. Other than that, either embrace coin A or sell it and get something else.
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