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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,043 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Coinscratch- I have no idea what the point of that CAC is on that PO-1 slab. Someone paid to have that done?

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,085 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Coinscratch said:

    @Ted 1 said:

    Never seen a CAC on a “1” so now that’s technically a 2 and worth less :)

    That would only be true if it were a gold CAC sticker. ;)

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  • Ted 1Ted 1 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭✭

    Located a wounded eagle in AU 55. Only one graded lower.

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,043 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Ted 1 said:
    Located a wounded eagle in AU 55. Only one graded lower.

    I guess it depends on which TPG'er you're talking about.

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  • Ted 1Ted 1 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭✭

    @OAKSTAR said:

    @Ted 1 said:
    Located a wounded eagle in AU 55. Only one graded lower.

    I guess it depends on which TPG'er you're talking about.

    My mistake. PCGS. Lowest is a 53

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  • Ted 1Ted 1 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 4, 2023 4:40AM

    A couple more peculiar grades. For the speared eagle,

    (4) AU 58's known for NGC. None lower.

    (9) AU 55's for PCGS, only one lower @ AU 53.

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  • Ted 1Ted 1 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭✭

    @Mr_Spud said:
    I found this AU58 on eBay recently and got it for my slabbed circulated type sets

    Missed that one. ALMOST picked it up.

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,043 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 28, 2023 7:26PM

    This is the lowest one I have. The rest are 66's and 67's.

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  • Ted 1Ted 1 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 28, 2023 7:48PM

    @OAKSTAR said:
    This is the lowest one I have. The rest are 66's and 67's.

    Very very cool. I love the hunt. I've collected all I set out to for Banknotes & this is definitely my new interest. I picked up a NGC 2000-D, MS 61 recently, pop 3.

    MS 60's & 61's are pretty tough.

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  • Ted 1Ted 1 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 4, 2023 4:38AM

    Another very peculiar grade. NGC has only graded 3 at this level for the 2000-D.

    MS 60 is even tougher, with NGC & PCGS population at just (1) apiece.

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  • Ted 1Ted 1 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭✭

    @OAKSTAR said:
    @Coinscratch- I have no idea what the point of that CAC is on that PO-1 slab. Someone paid to have that done?

    It is rather silly.

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,043 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Ted 1- All the coins you posted here.. Did you find them in circulation and have them slabbed or did you buy them slabbed?

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  • Ted 1Ted 1 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭✭

    @OAKSTAR said:
    @Coinscratch- I have no idea what the point of that CAC is on that PO-1 slab. Someone paid to have that done?

    It is rather silly. > @OAKSTAR said:

    @Ted 1- All the coins you posted here.. Did you find them in circulation and have them slabbed or did you buy them slabbed?

    Most were bought slabbed. I do have pocket pieces (Pres Dollars, Sac $1's) that I will eventually send in when they are heavily worn

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,043 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks Ted.

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,043 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 3, 2023 7:43AM

    @Manifest_Destiny said:
    These actually circulate in El Salvador

    How are they finding their way back into the United States? Are they coming in through customs or walking in over the southern border?

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  • Manifest_DestinyManifest_Destiny Posts: 6,896 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OAKSTAR said:

    @Manifest_Destiny said:
    These actually circulate in El Salvador

    How are they finding their way back into the United States? Are they coming in through customs or walking in over the southern border?

    I'm not sure they make it back, although some probably do. I was just commenting that they actually circulate in the Latin American countries that have adopted the dollar.

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,043 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 3, 2023 10:25AM

    @Manifest_Destiny said:

    @OAKSTAR said:

    @Manifest_Destiny said:
    These actually circulate in El Salvador

    How are they finding their way back into the United States? Are they coming in through customs or walking in over the southern border?

    I'm not sure they make it back, although some probably do. I was just commenting that they actually circulate in the Latin American countries that have adopted the dollar.

    So you're saying they circulated in El Salvador and have been adopted in Latin American countries. You rarely (IMO) see these small dollars here in the U.S. in circulation or used for everyday commerce. Maybe they are used in casino's.

    I just can't see these lowball dollars being created here. I'm assuming (and I probably shouldn't), these small dollars are heavily used and circulated in Latin America for everyday use. That's why they look the way they do. So they obviously make their way back here. Plus, I've also noticed that the vast majority of these lowballs are D's. I thought I read somewhere that D's were shipped down there.

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  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My only graded Sacagawea.

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  • Ted 1Ted 1 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭✭

    "burnished"

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  • Ted 1Ted 1 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭✭

    @OAKSTAR said:

    @Manifest_Destiny said:

    @OAKSTAR said:

    @Manifest_Destiny said:
    These actually circulate in El Salvador

    How are they finding their way back into the United States? Are they coming in through customs or walking in over the southern border?

    I'm not sure they make it back, although some probably do. I was just commenting that they actually circulate in the Latin American countries that have adopted the dollar.

    So you're saying they circulated in El Salvador and have been adopted in Latin American countries. You rarely (IMO) see these small dollars here in the U.S. in circulation or used for everyday commerce. Maybe they are used in casino's.

    I just can't see these lowball dollars being created here. I'm assuming (and I probably shouldn't), these small dollars are heavily used and circulated in Latin America for everyday use. That's why they look the way they do. So they obviously make their way back here. Plus, I've also noticed that the vast majority of these lowballs are D's. I thought I read somewhere that D's were shipped down there.

    The only use they get in CA are transit stations & vending machines. That's it

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  • Ted 1Ted 1 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭✭

    2005-P, MS63. Pop 7.

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  • Ted 1Ted 1 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭✭

    @OAKSTAR said:
    @Coinscratch- I have no idea what the point of that CAC is on that PO-1 slab. Someone paid to have that done?

    How's the potential PO-01 pocket piece coming? Still have a series date visible?

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,043 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Ted 1 said:

    @OAKSTAR said:
    @Coinscratch- I have no idea what the point of that CAC is on that PO-1 slab. Someone paid to have that done?

    How's the potential PO-01 pocket piece coming? Still have a series date visible?

    I don't have any pocket pieces.

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  • Ted 1Ted 1 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭✭

    @OAKSTAR said:

    @Ted 1 said:

    @OAKSTAR said:
    @Coinscratch- I have no idea what the point of that CAC is on that PO-1 slab. Someone paid to have that done?

    How's the potential PO-01 pocket piece coming? Still have a series date visible?

    I don't have any pocket pieces.

    You showed some great worn examples a while back. I guess I assumed wrong

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,043 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Ted 1 said:

    @OAKSTAR said:

    @Ted 1 said:

    @OAKSTAR said:
    @Coinscratch- I have no idea what the point of that CAC is on that PO-1 slab. Someone paid to have that done?

    How's the potential PO-01 pocket piece coming? Still have a series date visible?

    I don't have any pocket pieces.

    You showed some great worn examples a while back. I guess I assumed wrong

    Yes, I pulled them out of rolls. No pocket pieces. But maybe I should.

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,043 ✭✭✭✭✭

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  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 8,637 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This thread reminds me of a dollar coin hunt I did where most all of the coins were like you described, even wear, very worn, toned, etc.
    They went to the throwback pile immediately after checking for varieties. I was looking for ms67 or better and had no idea that there was value in lowball.
    Looking back they were prolly around 8 or 10? But close enough to work on.

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,043 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Coinscratch said:
    This thread reminds me of a dollar coin hunt I did where most all of the coins were like you described, even wear, very worn, toned, etc.
    They went to the throwback pile immediately after checking for varieties. I was looking for ms67 or better and had no idea that there was value in lowball.
    Looking back they were prolly around 8 or 10? But close enough to work on.

    It's a race to the bottom. Join the crowd or be left behind. 😂 😉

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  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 8,637 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OAKSTAR said:

    @Coinscratch said:
    This thread reminds me of a dollar coin hunt I did where most all of the coins were like you described, even wear, very worn, toned, etc.
    They went to the throwback pile immediately after checking for varieties. I was looking for ms67 or better and had no idea that there was value in lowball.
    Looking back they were prolly around 8 or 10? But close enough to work on.

    It's a race to the bottom. Join the crowd or be left behind. 😂 😉

    I can see where this could be addictive i’ll stop by the hardware store and get some 400 grit on the way back to the house lol.
    Actually my neighbors got a power grinder thingy i’ll just tell him I got an Ike to grind.

  • pmh1nicpmh1nic Posts: 3,271 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looking at the PCGS pricing guide MS-68 looks like the sweet spot. Quite a few are $200+ with a few over $1K and 2006-D at $4.5K. In MS-69 there are only eight values given (few years graded in 69?) and the 2005-D is at $8K.

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,043 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Coinscratch said:

    @OAKSTAR said:

    @Coinscratch said:
    This thread reminds me of a dollar coin hunt I did where most all of the coins were like you described, even wear, very worn, toned, etc.
    They went to the throwback pile immediately after checking for varieties. I was looking for ms67 or better and had no idea that there was value in lowball.
    Looking back they were prolly around 8 or 10? But close enough to work on.

    It's a race to the bottom. Join the crowd or be left behind. 😂 😉

    I can see where this could be addictive i’ll stop by the hardware store and get some 400 grit on the way back to the house lol.
    Actually my neighbors got a power grinder thingy i’ll just tell him I got an Ike to grind.

    So that's why you call yourself Coinscratch! 😂 🤣

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  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 8,637 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OAKSTAR said:

    @Coinscratch said:

    @OAKSTAR said:

    @Coinscratch said:
    This thread reminds me of a dollar coin hunt I did where most all of the coins were like you described, even wear, very worn, toned, etc.
    They went to the throwback pile immediately after checking for varieties. I was looking for ms67 or better and had no idea that there was value in lowball.
    Looking back they were prolly around 8 or 10? But close enough to work on.

    It's a race to the bottom. Join the crowd or be left behind. 😂 😉

    I can see where this could be addictive i’ll stop by the hardware store and get some 400 grit on the way back to the house lol.
    Actually my neighbors got a power grinder thingy i’ll just tell him I got an Ike to grind.

    So that's why you call yourself Coinscratch! 😂 🤣

    I have yet to find one w/o a scratch so...

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,043 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This could be an elusive grade, I don't know yet.

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,043 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 14, 2023 12:39PM

    Ted- Can you take a close-up detailed picture both side of this one?

    Thanks!

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  • Ted 1Ted 1 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭✭

    New pickup. Pop 1. XF40.
    Really like the wear on this one.

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    @OAKSTAR said:
    Ted- Can you take a close-up detailed picture both side of this one?

    Thanks!

    I will contact Mr. Edelman for the reverse.

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  • Ted 1Ted 1 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭✭

    @OAKSTAR said:
    This could be an elusive grade, I don't know yet.

    Good 4

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  • Ted 1Ted 1 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭✭

    I have some worn proofs (2000s, 2001s) I'm wearing down even further. Let's hope for a PR53 or lower.

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,043 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Ted 1 said:
    I have some worn proofs (2000s, 2001s) I'm wearing down even further. Let's hope for a PR53 or lower.

    How are you wearing them down?

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  • Ted 1Ted 1 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭✭

    @OAKSTAR said:

    @Ted 1 said:
    I have some worn proofs (2000s, 2001s) I'm wearing down even further. Let's hope for a PR53 or lower.

    How are you wearing them down?

    Just carrying in my jeans pocket during my 12 hr shifts.

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,043 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Ted 1 said:

    @OAKSTAR said:

    @Ted 1 said:
    I have some worn proofs (2000s, 2001s) I'm wearing down even further. Let's hope for a PR53 or lower.

    How are you wearing them down?

    Just carrying in my jeans pocket during my 12 hr shifts.

    That'll work. 👍🏻 👍🏻

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  • Ted 1Ted 1 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭✭

    @OAKSTAR

    PCGS Population now notes (1) Good 4. This must be fairly new to the census. I'd be all over it if it hit the market

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,043 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Ted 1 said:
    @OAKSTAR

    PCGS Population now notes (1) Good 4. This must be fairly new to the census. I'd be all over it if it hit the market

    Which date again?

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  • Ted 1Ted 1 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭✭

    I'll check. I want to say 2001 d

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,043 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't see a D, only a P.

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  • Ted 1Ted 1 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭✭

    @OAKSTAR said:
    I don't see a D, only a P.

    There we go. I'd still pay $$$$$$ to add to my stack.

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  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 7,043 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I want the coins in this column. 😉

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  • Ted 1Ted 1 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭✭

    @Ted 1 said:
    A couple more peculiar grades. For the speared eagle,

    (4) AU 58's known for NGC. None lower.

    (9) AU 55's for PCGS, only one lower @ AU 53.

    Selling both. 100 out the door for both.

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