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40% silver or clad Kennedy half dollar??.$??

ErikbErikb Posts: 80 ✭✭
edited June 8, 2023 5:17PM in U.S. Coin Forum

I will post 2 pics both from the same date and from mint sets. Tell me what you are seeing.


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  • ErikbErikb Posts: 80 ✭✭
    edited May 28, 2023 12:44PM

    The one in the middle is a different set than the same set of the top and bottom pictures… I did weigh each Denver package and there was a difference in weight, next am most likely going to be cutting them open for an accurate weight.

  • RampageRampage Posts: 9,452 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Can you show a full picture of the front of the set with the coin you suspect is clad? Maybe a side-by-side comparison, too.

  • JWPJWP Posts: 22,219 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 28, 2023 3:31PM

    Put it next to a 40% silver JFK (1965 - 1970) and post the photo the 2 JFK's side by side.

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  • tincuptincup Posts: 5,135 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm confused.... what am I missing? Aren't 1970 half dollars clad... with silver? The picture looks like a 40% silver clad half dollar to me.... but what do I know. Been a long day.

    ----- kj
  • tincuptincup Posts: 5,135 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Are you thinking the middle one is NOT a clad? The edges are sometimes deceptive... might look like silver, but can still be clad. If you are thinking it is a 90% coin, yes, the only way to really tell is opening and weighing the coin.

    ----- kj
  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am no great expert but have seen quite a few edge differences on 40% clads, mint set or not. Just weigh the coin, although there are even some weight tolerance differences..Weight for 40% should be 11.50 gms vs. 12.50 for 90%. I tend to doubt there were a lot of 90% blanks floating around & weighing a whole sheet of mint set coins is a bit imprecise TBH.

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  • vplite99vplite99 Posts: 1,273 ✭✭✭✭✭

    1970 clad with 40% silver.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have seen the 40% clad Kennedy halves with edges that showed no copper... Weight will be the answer. Let us know what you find. Cheers, RickO

  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,479 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @vplite99 said:
    1970 clad with 40% silver.

    That's what it is, as no clad Halfs were made in 1970.

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  • BStrauss3BStrauss3 Posts: 3,413 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The 40% clad is net, of 80% silver / 20% copper outer layers and 79% Copper / 21% Silver core. Thus isn't not as clear as the copper-nickel class with their pure copper core.

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  • ErikbErikb Posts: 80 ✭✭





  • ErikbErikb Posts: 80 ✭✭
    edited May 29, 2023 10:53PM

    To me one edge looks more like a no silver clad, and the other one looks more like a 90%. I wanted to see what others who have seen more of these coins then I have would say before cutting open is really all. So I guess I am going to cut them open tomorrow.

  • ErikbErikb Posts: 80 ✭✭

    @BStrauss3.. after reading your comment it does look more like a regular 1970 on the one set

  • dcarrdcarr Posts: 8,460 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Erikb said:

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    The outer layers on 40% silver half dollars are actually 80% silver.
    The color of the metal on both half dollars in this picture shows a whiter color than the quarters and dimes.
    So it looks like both half dollars are the normal 40% silver.

    An XRF test should be able to penetrate the plastic and detect the surface composition.
    So I would say get it tested if you can.

    .

  • ErikbErikb Posts: 80 ✭✭

    Well we’ll well…

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  • ErikbErikb Posts: 80 ✭✭

    My plan is to have some experts take a look at it at the show hopefully at the @PCGS booth. They are willing to take a look at it and then go from there..

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,175 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Here's a stack of 40% halves.

  • ErikbErikb Posts: 80 ✭✭

    @jmlanzaf
    Nah ma boi 11.5g= 40% halfs

  • tincuptincup Posts: 5,135 ✭✭✭✭✭

    ok then.

    ----- kj
  • ErikbErikb Posts: 80 ✭✭

    Yeah ok then..
    There is no down side to seeing if pcgs will look at it free of charge. Thanks for everyone’s input I appreciate it

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,175 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Erikb said:
    @jmlanzaf
    Nah ma boi 11.5g= 40% halfs

    But a 90% is 12.5. He was claiming that one is 90% and the other is Cu-Ni clad when they ask weigh the same on his scale.

  • ErikbErikb Posts: 80 ✭✭

    Yeah that edge did look more like a 90%

  • ErikbErikb Posts: 80 ✭✭

    I didn’t post a pic of the other one on the scale cuz it’s spot on weight tolerance for a 1970 half dollar

  • ErikbErikb Posts: 80 ✭✭

    The one in the picture on the scale is the one I was saying looked like Cu-Ni clad no silver half dollar. And its weight isn’t in tolerance of a normal 40% 1970 half. Sorry for the confusion

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 34,175 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Erikb said:
    The one in the picture on the scale is the one I was saying looked like Cu-Ni clad no silver half dollar. And its weight isn’t in tolerance of a normal 40% 1970 half. Sorry for the confusion

    Could you photograph it side by side with a copper nickel clad? You shouldn't have to look at the edge. The color of the CuNi is very different then the silver: grey vs white. The coin in the photo looks far too white to be CuNi.

  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,584 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The weight is within tolerance of + or - .4 grams.

    11.5 is the standard minus .4 would be 11.1 grams.

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  • ErikbErikb Posts: 80 ✭✭

    @gumby1234 said:
    The weight is within tolerance of + or - .4 grams.

    11.5 is the standard minus .4 would be 11.1 grams.

    Ahh yes that’s right, idk why I was thinking it was a lot less weight tolerance wise. I should have checked on that subject again. But they are in weight tolerance of both a 40% and a Cu-Ni… my hopes are less wishful being the coin is a little whiter then a Cu-Ni.

  • ErikbErikb Posts: 80 ✭✭

    Thank you for the weight tolerance clarification sir. 👍🤙

  • AUandAGAUandAG Posts: 24,761 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Has there ever been a '65 - 90% silver half found?

    Just ask'n
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  • ErikbErikb Posts: 80 ✭✭

    Who knows, but reverse transitional off metal errors are rare im sure. Depending on how bad you want to know maybe start your own discussion(:

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