Poster " Davebe " still at it!
al410
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Why is this poster still on the forums, I have read several posts about him? Just got a msg from him offering me a note and giving me a e-mail to contact which I did not do. BEWARE.
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This sounds like a scam that has repeatedly occurred on our BS&T, under a variety of names that have low post counts.
According to a few people who posted they’ve been scammed, the crook contacts people who have “Want to Buy” listings, by messaging them that he ”has a friend” that has that exact item at a nice price. He then gives you the email address of “that friend” (it’s really the crook). When you email that friend, he insists you pay via PayPal Friends & Family. Naturally, you never get the item, and PayPal cannot help since payment was made using F&F. The last I heard, unfortunately the forum moderators have not been much help, but maybe that has changed.
As you say up top, BEWARE!
Steve
My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
Did you or anyone else post a warning on the BST forum and notify a moderator?
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
I just got the same email for a coin that I was looking for on the BST. Obvious scammer. I'm sure he's been reported to the forum moderators here but I'm not sure why they tolerate an obvious scammer here.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
The moderators have already addressed the topic previously in reply to another thread.
They do not police the BST and trying to scam people is not a violation of forum rules. Let the buyer (and seller) beware.
Are you saying that they will allow scammers to use their forum to scam people with impunity? If so, it's a shame.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I just got an email from him also. This scammer needs to be banned. It is not in the best interested of PCGS to let him continue. Probably some kind of a bot thing.
Absolutely YES to BOTH, by @Casabrown, a very highly respected member! Additionally, I believe by others as well.
Steve
My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
I doubt it’s a bot. This crook periodically sets up new accounts and takes just the few minutes needed to copy and paste his “bait” to a dozen or two who have Wanted to Buy listings. It doesn’t take much time.
Steve
My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
This guy needs to be banned although he'll probably just come back again with a new identity. Caveat emptor.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
He should keep better track of who he bothers with. He was on #3 with me the other week. I just asked him to post an image of his coin next to a sign that says "I am not a scammer". No response yet
We need to keep posting this scammers efforts.... Highly visible publicity will alert members to the methods used (names change) and he will run out of 'customers' here and move on. Cheers, RickO
This scammer is at least consistent with his modus operandi so he should be easy enough to identify if he changes or uses a different identity.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
"IF" he changes his identity? it's "WHEN" he changes his identity!
Steve
My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
I see this same type of scamming on other fora/forums. Some folks have lost big dollars for guns and stuff to scammers. If you suck it up and pay the FF with a CC you might have recourse tho you'll probably lose your PP account if it's for any of their forbidden items.
The moderator's response from another thread about the same scammer:
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1089697/davebe-is-a-scammer
Just to be clear.
WE DO NOT ENCOURAGE ANY KIND OF PAYMENT as associated with paying for an item IF YOU CHOOSE to do so.
Just to be clear AGAIN
WE ARE NOT A MARKETPLACE
If you want to be more safe and secure than your own assessment of an offer, GO THROUGH A MARKETPLACE
Our forum guidelines are clear:
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1009079/pcgs-forum-rules-and-guidelines-updated-4-19-2021
"The first thing we would like to point out is that this is a forum for collectors, and the biggest reason we exist is for collectors to come together and share information by asking and answering questions of folks with similar interests and hobbies. We did not set out to be a marketplace, eBay, or Etsy. We do, however, offer a Buy, Sell, and Trade thread for folks to connect and Buy, Sell, and Trade as they see fit."
Please do not come at PCGS for allowing folks to discuss buying, selling, and trading.
The alternative is to shut down the BST.
Our hosts are a for-profit organization. They don't make money from the BST and have some level of expenses to host it.
Several other forums have the same policies or don't allow sales at all.
ANA 50 year/Life Member (now "Emeritus")
Suggest if there is a known scammer the person be banned.
Most people (including me) would probably agree, but the moderator's position is quite clear in the earlier response of theirs that I posted above.
I've said it before and will again. BST does nothing for our hosts except cost them money to host it and expose them to potential problems. One can disclaim and say "we are just a venue" all one wants but the reality is that BST is a de facto marketplace.
RIP Mom- 1932-2012
BST does nothing for our hosts except cost them money to host it
There's currently a large banner ad for Legend at the top of the BST page so I assume they get paid for advertising.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
It sounds like Davebe wasn't burdened with an over-abundance of schooling.
peacockcoins
That Moderator did not kill this thread or incarcerate is how you’re allowed to get the word out. “Scammer” is a negative characterization and Davebe is still a bona fide member. I am the form expert on this.
Ok, then I suggest you literally put your money where your mouth is. Contact @davebe and let him know an item or two that you need. Have him have his “friend” find it for you, and then make prompt payment to that “friend” via PayPal Friends & Family.
Please let us know how you like the item(s) his friend sends you. I’ll anxiously await hearing about this real world purchase you’ll be making!
Steve
My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
Okay, but I ain’t going back to the hoosegow, nor will I stuff my mouth with cash.
Edit: I often have to edit.
I have to edit very often too, lol.
Steve
My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
I often wonder what would happen if people used their energy for good instead.
I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.
This type of activity is no different than a thief who robs a convenience store. Except he is operating in cyberspace. Cyberspace criminals need to be prosecuted by law enforcement, not restricted by the forum moderator.
That same ad is at the top of this page as I type. The ads rotate among the pages-it's usually X number of impressions on the site per month for $X money. Advertisers don't usually have control over where the ads show...so CU still gets the ad revenue whether BST is there or not.
Edited for typo
RIP Mom- 1932-2012
Cyberspace criminals need to be prosecuted by law enforcement, not restricted by the forum moderator.
Why can't we do both?
RIP Mom- 1932-2012
I'd imagine that at least some of the apparent reluctance to take action by the PCGS moderators might be due to the idea of precedent and possible future liability. That is, if PCGS were to ban certain probable (obvious, to some) scammers then that precedent might be setting a higher bar for moderation of the BST such that if in the future they don't take action against a similar account, and the account ends up burning some or many folks for a certain amount of money, PCGS may face the possibility of having some civil financial liability for not enforcing its previous precedent.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
It's not the moderator's job. Take some responsibility for yourselves, folks. Caveat emptor!
It's likely that @davebe is an alt account from someone who has been running the same scam with multiple accounts over the past couple of years or so. Most of these accounts have been banned.
Here is a partial list found using the Forum search function:
@Deanward
@Clthom
@spaceheart2020
@JG01
@pruebas738
@JM33
See:
https://forums.collectors.com/search?Search=scammer