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  • 1Mike11Mike1 Posts: 4,416 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll guess 65

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  • Shane6596Shane6596 Posts: 759 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like alot of slider wear on the obverse in center, left hand and up.

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Lots of wear on the hand, hip, arm and branches.... Reverse not so much. Cheers, RickO

  • kirkminkkirkmink Posts: 176 ✭✭✭✭

    I am going to say 64/65 due to the technical grade, but with a very weak strike as evidenced by the flattened hand and loss of detail in the skirt lines on the obv. Also the feather detail on the rev specifically on the chest and leg is weak. This is a coin I typically avoid because of the weak strike.

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  • Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,531 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't see any more "wear" on this coin, than on Eldorado's glamour shot 44S mega grade walkers posted on the forum other day....
    The eye appeal, as well as any detractors, is hard to discern, as the obverse photo is a little out of focus. The minimum grade I'm thinking is 64, but a 65 is more likely.

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  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,457 ✭✭✭✭✭

    65

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  • logger7logger7 Posts: 8,646 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Typical flatly struck for date. Gem coin, reverse validates that.

  • pursuitoflibertypursuitofliberty Posts: 7,068 ✭✭✭✭✭

    While I agree with @logger7 I wouldn't want the coin at full 65 prices (from what I can tell, from very difficult images), as the strike is just too flat for me to call a true Gem.

    64 ... 64+ ... yeah, that I might agree with (again, not great images)


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  • MrBlusterMrBluster Posts: 344 ✭✭✭

    MS 65

  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,111 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I feel it would be held to MS64.
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  • FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 3,455 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I can see it in a MS66 holder.

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  • alaura22alaura22 Posts: 3,289 ✭✭✭✭✭

    MS65

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  • logger7logger7 Posts: 8,646 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 20, 2023 3:40PM

    @pursuitofliberty said:
    While I agree with @logger7 I wouldn't want the coin at full 65 prices (from what I can tell, from very difficult images), as the strike is just too flat for me to call a true Gem.

    64 ... 64+ ... yeah, that I might agree with (again, not great images)

    I had one of these that was also graded by PCGS as MS65, but white. I sent it with some other properly graded coins to a wholesale "top prices paid" buyer some years ago. When he got them he said it was in reality an "MS64" and the others were also overgraded, talk about the arrogance, and worth a notch or two down in pricing because they were overgraded. I'm sure there are many people here who would offer gem money for that coin.

  • pursuitoflibertypursuitofliberty Posts: 7,068 ✭✭✭✭✭

    First, @mikee999, my comment wasn't to disparage your coin, at all.

    The picture with the grade makes it look like it has near flawless fields on the obverse, and that, coupled with the reverse and color, makes it worthy. The 44-S is a notoriously difficult strike, almost always with some weakness.

    @logger7 As a collector, I am picky with some things, but that sounds like the old "We pay top prices ... for what we tell you grade is". Hope you called their BS.

    In hand, I don't know whether I would agree with this one as a 65+ or not, but I would probably be looking for a better strike if possible. Maybe in hand it would be such a luster bomb (very probable with a plus) that I would be okay sacrificing a little on the strike.

    PCGS has set the market. Occasionally mistakes happen, and occasionally opinions differ by a point ... but rarely more than that among top graders. I tend to believe, in hand, after the second set, we'd all agree it was a Gem.


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  • P0CKETCHANGEP0CKETCHANGE Posts: 2,779 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I was at 65 on this one.

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  • mikee999mikee999 Posts: 619 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @pursuitofliberty said:
    First, @mikee999, my comment wasn't to disparage your coin, at all.

    The picture with the grade makes it look like it has near flawless fields on the obverse, and that, coupled with the reverse and color, makes it worthy. The 44-S is a notoriously difficult strike, almost always with some weakness.

    @logger7 As a collector, I am picky with some things, but that sounds like the old "We pay top prices ... for what we tell you grade is". Hope you called their BS.

    In hand, I don't know whether I would agree with this one as a 65+ or not, but I would probably be looking for a better strike if possible. Maybe in hand it would be such a luster bomb (very probable with a plus) that I would be okay sacrificing a little on the strike.

    PCGS has set the market. Occasionally mistakes happen, and occasionally opinions differ by a point ... but rarely more than that among top graders. I tend to believe, in hand, after the second set, we'd all agree it was a Gem.

    I think our host gave it a + for the “attractive” gold toning.

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