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1914 Barber Quarter struck on another image! HELP!

ERingusERingus Posts: 128 ✭✭✭

I can see this has another image underneath the first image but am not sure of what other then a star from the neck area. Any and all help would be appreciated. Also I’m going to list this coin with Great Collections for sale. So I have it graded first or sell it raw? This would be my first sale and I’m unsure what to do. I can take more photos if needed.





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  • yosclimberyosclimber Posts: 4,835 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 9, 2023 12:32AM

    It's called a die clash.
    The stars in the obverse fields are from the reverse die with stars above the eagle.
    The stars are incuse, which is to be expected from a die clash.
    You can also see the outline of the neck on the reverse, in the stars above the eagle.

    Die clashes are common on early coinage.
    Less common on Barbers.

    Great Collections only sells slabbed coins.
    They will get it slabbed if you want to sell it with them.

  • lcutlerlcutler Posts: 571 ✭✭✭✭

    That's a die clash.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,905 ✭✭✭✭✭

    While the die clash makes the coin interesting, here are a couple of things to consider:
    1) It might not have enough value to merit the cost of grading.
    2) Even if it were graded, many/most auction companies wouldn’t take just that one coin for consignment.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,371 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Agree that your coin is struck from clashed dies which doesn't add much if any value to your coin. In case you don't know, a die clash happens when a planchet is not fed into the coining chamber and the obverse die and the reverse die strike each other under great force and pressure which results in the transfer the design of each die to the other die. All future coins struck by these dies will show this die clash until the dies are removed from service. Sometimes the mint is able polish the die clash damage from the face of the dies and then put them back into service.

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  • lilolmelilolme Posts: 2,719 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As stated above a die clash. If you go to the top of the US Forum there is a Resources thread pinned to the top. In the first post of that thread is various links. Go down to the label Errors. There is some die clash information in some of these. The link labeled MAD die clashes has some of this information and includes an overlay for the Barber half (which is very similar to the Quarter except for size). With an overlay you can see where the obverse and reverse dies line up with each other. This assumes the dies are aligned but in some cases they are rotated some, so any clashes could be rotated from the overlay images. This one appears to line up fairly well. Here is the link to the noted overlay.

    http://www.maddieclashes.com/fifty-cent-overlays/

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  • ERingusERingus Posts: 128 ✭✭✭

    @MFeld I have several coins I am planning to consign. I think 5 of them at this point. I have a nice collection, to me anyway, and have always planned to sell them once I knew what I was doing and looking at. I have some really old pieces and some modern pieces. For example 1947 Booker T Washington, 1883 Liberty Nickel, 1876 S Seated Liberty, 1909 VDB Wheat that may be Matte finish and more. Those are just a few. I have more than what I need and want others to enjoy them as I have.
    Thank you for your help!

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,145 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ERingus said:
    @MFeld I have several coins I am planning to consign. I think 5 of them at this point. I have a nice collection, to me anyway, and have always planned to sell them once I knew what I was doing and looking at. I have some really old pieces and some modern pieces. For example 1947 Booker T Washington, 1883 Liberty Nickel, 1876 S Seated Liberty, 1909 VDB Wheat that may be Matte finish and more. Those are just a few. I have more than what I need and want others to enjoy them as I have.
    Thank you for your help!

    The Barber may not straight grade. The BTW and Liberty nickel would have to be exceptional to be worth auctioning. You better post pictures because you could end up losing money.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 13,905 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ERingus said:
    @MFeld I have several coins I am planning to consign. I think 5 of them at this point. I have a nice collection, to me anyway, and have always planned to sell them once I knew what I was doing and looking at. I have some really old pieces and some modern pieces. For example 1947 Booker T Washington, 1883 Liberty Nickel, 1876 S Seated Liberty, 1909 VDB Wheat that may be Matte finish and more. Those are just a few. I have more than what I need and want others to enjoy them as I have.
    Thank you for your help!

    You're most welcome and please feel free to post other coins for information and opinions from forum members.

    In case you do, the 1914 quarter appears to have been cleaned or polished. If it were to grade AU details, it still might merit the cost of grading, however. If you're not looking for such feedback, please ignore the previous sentence. ;)

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • MedalCollectorMedalCollector Posts: 1,993 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 9, 2023 2:40AM

    That is an exceptionally strong die clash for any Barber coin. Very cool.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice die clash, easily identified impressions. The suggestions to post pictures of your coins prior to submittal is good advice... might save you a lot of cash. Cheers, RickO

  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,437 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:
    While the die clash makes the coin interesting, here are a couple of things to consider:
    1) It might not have enough value to merit the cost of grading.
    2) Even if it were graded, many/most auction companies wouldn’t take just that one coin for consignment.

    It also screams "Cleaned". It is not a valuable coin. Don't start throwing money away on it.

    All glory is fleeting.
  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,358 ✭✭✭✭✭

    And a mighty fine die clash it is! Too bad somebody ruined the coin by polishing it.

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