Charmy's 2023 CENTRAL STATES (CSNS) COIN SHOW REPORT w/Lots of Pics!
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It's been a couple days since I returned from the Central States show in Schaumburg and I'm still trying to dig out from all the coins I sold and purchased, as well as the dreaded paperwork that always follows after a large coin show. There was so much activity at the show this year, starting for me from the Greysheet reception on Tuesday evening all the way through the end of the show. I was busy at my table almost consistently throughout each day, then grabbing a quick drink with friends right after the show, then attending social events and dinners each evening, followed by more gatherings at the hotel bar after dinner events! Big kudos and applause to Larry, Mitch, and all of their staff and helpers who made this show the huge success it was!
I left OC early on Tuesday, so I could be in Chicago for the preshow social event sponsored by Greysheet, Cabrella Shipping Insurance and Whatnot.
Landing in Chicago!
This is a pic of the iconic beautiful changing colorful lights at the O'Hare airport
I arrived at the beautiful Renaissance Hotel where the show is held and where many dealers and collectors stayed.
After checking in and taking my bags to security, I joined my foreign coin dealer friends Karl and Joanne in their hotel room for a glass of wonderful aged Viognier wine before dinner.
After dinner, we headed over to the hotel bar for the dealer reception where many dealers had already gathered.
It was a fantastic event, and everyone had a blast - thank you Greysheet, Cabrella Shipping Insurance and Whatnot!
I made a contribution to CSNS and became one of the several "sponsors" of the show which meant that we could set up and get into the show an hour earlier than other dealers. I really enjoyed this extra "quiet" hour each day as it allowed me to get some work done at my booth which I happily took advantage of!
Wednesday was PNG day so I headed over to the show early to do some "shopping"! There was lots of signage throughout the halls and bourse floor.
This year they had set up a room on the second floor above the bourse floor for dealers who had lesser expensive inventory, and for Sunday only dealers. This is their room before set up.
There were quite a few PNG dealers set up and I bought a lot of coins that first day. These are all the coins I bought throughout the show - as you can see, I found several awesome Pretty Pennies!
I also found some nice coins to add to my raw coin inventory
PNG day ended at 2:30 and the sponsor dealers were let in at 3:00, then all dealers were let in at 4:00pm for set up. The CSNS folks left at each dealer table a nice little goodie back that included a great small bottle of window cleaner and a cloth for the cases, and these cute little M&M packs sponsored by Mitch Ernst and his family!
I was so happy to see my very good friend and ex-fellow WIN board member Cindi Wibker who is now retired from running the FUN show but was recruited to help out with the CSNS show
Billie and Amanda at Greysheet were all set up and ready to go!
After I finished setting up and making my rounds, soon it was time to open one of the bottles of wine I had brought. I usually bring my more favorite bottles to share with some of my customers and fellow dealers. And one of my favorites is this Cab from Del Dotto vineyards in Napa.
My friend and fellow dealer James Sego and PNG board member had an extra ticket to the PNG dinner so I was very happy to be able to attend this prestigious event which was held at Maggiano's on Wednesday evening.
There were lots of coin world "dignitaries" and some special honorees who received awards for their contributions to numismatics. Robert Brueggeman was retiring after serving as its Executive Director since 1995, and was presented with a Lifetime Achievement award from Kevin Lipton.
From the PNG website:
“Bob has been PNG’s Executive Director since 1995. Under his guidance and leadership over the past 28 years, the PNG has helped support the industry, its member dealers, and the general public. The PNG has also been helpful in providing scholarships to young numismatists to help advance the professional side of the business and continue the legacy of the Professional Numismatists Guild,” said PNG Board member James Sego who co-chaired the Lifetime Achievement Award selection with PNG Board member John Brush.
Bob and his wife and daughter Tina
John Feigenbaum will succeed Brueggeman as the next PNG Executive Director.
Cindy Wibker, who recently joined the Central States Numismatic Society convention team after 30 successful years as Convention Coordinator for Florida United Numismatists, received the Significant Contribution Award for her exceptional dedication and beneficial contributions to the hobby and profession.
It was a wonderful event, the food was amazing, and it was especially great to see everyone!
Then, of course, it was back to the hotel bar for more coin dealers just having some fun!
For some reason, on display right outside the hotel bar was this neat old LC Smith Secretarial typewriter and ship's bell.
After all that socializing, Thursday morning came too soon! But as usual, I arrived early at the show, took care of some paperwork, processed some of my newps to show to customers, and got ready for the anticipated large crowd that had begun gathering in the lobby! I quickly snapped a couple shots before folks began streaming onto the bourse floor.
After the show opened on Thursday, sadly there was an announcement that long-time coin dealer Tim Lapointe had suddenly passed away Wednesday night after set up from a heart attack. I didn't know him personally but had seen him at many shows. My prayers are with his friends and family.
@keyman64 was one of the first forum members to stop by my table and say hi
This is Bob who is a very enjoyable and fun customer of mine who loves beautifully toned Indian cents. He likes to charm me with wonderful bottles of wine - which works every time! I showed him some of my new purchases and of course he picked out one of the most beautifully toned Indian cent proofs I've ever owned!
This is Gary Minsey - he showed me this AMAZING and super rare 1795 dollar he had purchased a while ago. He wanted to compare it to the one on display at the show. He said they were both very similar in condition and he was very curious to see what it would bring at auction.
Current ANA President Dr. Ross and his lovely wife Phyllis stopped by and said hi. Phyllis is running for ANA Board of Governors
The helpful CSNS folks at the Message Center
Security was very tight at this show, and security guards and police were very prevalent throughout the show, especially at the door. This security guard was at the front door and was very serious about doing his job, and was very friendly as well.
I did acquire a few interesting pieces for my own personal collection - this is an really neat double struck in the collar Indian cent that I bought on Thursday. The second strike is rotated more than 90 degrees!
I found an encased 1926 Lincoln cent in a scarce bell-shaped aluminum encasement from Washington D.C.
A customer came up to my table and offered me this beautiful uncirculated 1858 LL Flying Eagle cent that he said he'd had in the back of his drawer for years. I don't usually care much for coins struck through grease filled dies but this one is so dramatic with so much detail missing on both sides that I was happy to add it to my collection (I sent it to PCGS to be certified). At first I thought it might have gotten this way from being struck on a tilted die since the date is still pretty sharp and the rest of the coin shows little detail, but since all of the denticles were fully struck, I believe it has to have been struck through greased filled dies, including the reverse.
Thursday was soooooo busy almost the entire day that I never left my table so I wasn't able to take many photos around the bourse floor. My sales on Thursday were more than any other one day of any show! By the end of the day I was so exhausted (I'm sure staying out late Wednesday night had a little something to do with that). So it was pretty late in the afternoon when I finally poured a glass of what was left of the Del Dotto Cab. After things died down at the end of the day, a couple of my dealer friends stopped by so I opened the other bottle of wine I had brought - a Justin Zinfandel. I belong to Justin Winery out of Paso Robles. This Zinfandel is delicious and very different from other Zinfandels I've had, it's sort of spicey and on the dry side, very delicious.
Thursday night we went to Chicago Prime Steakhouse for dinner. It is one of the best steakhouses I've ever been to! It's a bit pricey, but once in a while it's nice to splurge, which is why we ordered this wonderful bottle of Stag's Leap to go with our steak!
After the Stag's Leap was finished, we had a delicious bottle of Prisoner
I ordered the beef wellington which was amazing - I could only eat one of them so I had the second one for lunch the next day!
Here are some of the other delicious dishes that were ordered at our table
After dinner on Thursday, of course we went back to the hotel bar for a nightcap - or two!
Nara Schuch (wife of Steven Schuch) and I discovered we both like good tequilas so we asked the bartender to recommend one. He recommended this Gran Coramino Anejo tequila and it was absolutely delicious! I was surprised that it had a bit of a sweet flavor and was a very smooth sipping tequila. I really enjoyed it and it made for a nice nightcap.
Friday morning I took the opportunity before the public was let in and I got too busy to walk around the bourse and take photos of the displays, dealers and vendors.
PCGS
NGC
Doug Davis of Numismatic Crime Prevention
Daniel Frank Sedwick who specialize in Latin American Shipwreck Coins, etc.
David Lawrence Rare Coins
When I walked over to the DLRC table, John flagged me down to look at some large cent coins, which I examined. I asked what was special about them and he told me they were counterfeit! I couldn't believe it, they were so well done that it was really hard to tell. Jack Young who is an expert in detecting counterfeit coins was showing John several coins that had actually gotten past the certifying companies and were still in their holders. Jack also showed me why these coins were actually counterfeits, and I can tell you, unless you knew exactly what to look for, they would have gotten past most dealers and collectors and even some experts. It's very, very scary how good these counterfeiters really are!
Believe it or not, these are all counterfeits!
I also went by the GreatCollections table and took pictures of the coins they had on display, including several HUGE rarities!
During the show on Friday, a dealer offered me these two amazing freshly graded 1909-S VDB cents that he bought raw from an old estate and had graded on a walk-thru at this show. These two beauties hadn't seen the light of day in many years! One graded PCGS MS65 RD and the other graded PCGS MS66 RB, so of course I just had to have them!
My longtime friend Mike Noodle who co-hosts The Coin Show podcast stopped by and brought me this special bottle of hot sauce he created - I know my hubby will love it as he's into very hot hot sauce!
A very kind and thoughtful customer friend engraved this key chain especially for me - I love it!
My dear friend Linda Hagopian and wife of my old "How to Create a Winning Exhibit" Summer Seminar instructor Larry Sekulich (who stopped by earlier) came by to say hi - it is always great to chat with her and share a glass of wine together - we finished off the last of the Justin Zinfandel!
That night I went to dinner with my "dark side" friends from Daniel Frank Sedwick and Karl and Joanne Stephens. We tried a new steakhouse called Perry, and we were not disappointed! They had excellent food and a great wine list.
Throughout our dinner, we had three different wines so they gave each of us three different wine glasses, which practically covered up the entire the table!
This time I had lobster and pasta with a small filet, and we had a lot of different very tasty side dishes as well. Everyone really enjoyed their dishes.
After dinner we all had a wonderful Port wine which was a perfect ending to an amazing meal!
With such a large party, we ended up not leaving the restaurant until almost 10pm, and when we got back to the hotel, the regular hotel bar was closed for a private party so some of the dealers had moved to the smaller bar. A couple of my friends were there and we had one drink, then called it a night.
Saturday morning I took my time getting to the show as I knew once I was there I basically needed to pack up and leave since I had an early flight home - I couldn't get a later flight without having to make a connection. I did manage to take a photo before I left with my favorite coin show couple - Dino and his lovely wife Lisa!
It was raining on Saturday but luckily not too hard with no tornado warnings like last year that delayed many flights including mine! I made it to the airport with no problems, and and settled into my seat for my 3 1/2 hour flight home.
Here are several pics I took from way up high, including several of the Grand Canyon as we flew right over it!
And these are pics of the two historical huge WWII Blimp hangars at the old Tustin Air Base which is located just east of the OC/John Wayne Airport.
My hubby is once again helping out his friends at the NORRA 1000 Mexican Baja race (no, not racing - just pitting and chasing for his friend), which always occurs the same time as the CSNS show, so my son picked me up at the airport. It is always nice to get home after a week of activities and late nights. On Sunday, I began working on my new purchases and of course, there was cutie Penny trying to make sure I noticed her by taking over one of my coin boxes and checking out what all those plastic things are!
So I have to say, this was a really good show, with tons of pre-show marketing, very busy, with lots of great sales and purchases, plus the added benefit of extra social gatherings. I already signed up for next year's show and expect that it will be a very successful show as well. Most everything at this show went very smoothly, with only a couple tiny glitches that I'm sure Larry and crew are aware of (the various show times for dealers and public was a bit confusing, plus there were no dealer table numbers posted on the website just before the show). The CSNS staff deserves huge credit for everything they did to make this show as successful as it was - thank you very much, we appreciate all you did!
Next up: My local Buena Park show and then the Long Beach show in June!
Comments
Thanks for the excellent show report and all the pictures.
As always, a very nice report. You had some cool stuff at the show. The 65RB 1955 DDO was cool.
The photos of the Grand Canyon are great!
Looking for Top Pop Mercury Dime Varieties & High Grade Mercury Dime Toners.
Another excellent write-up.
Coincidentally, I was watching Pawn Stars with my kids, and you were on the show selling a WWII spy plane camera. It was really interesting, and you handled those dude well. I like your style and taste in wine for sure!
EDIT NOTE: Thanks for the pic of the 1796 half cent. What a treat!
I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.
Thank you for your great report!
Always look forward to, and enjoy reading, your show reports.
Thanks for taking the time to share.
It sounds like it was a great show. Thanks for taking the time to share your experience.
Donato
Donato's Complete US Type Set ---- Donato's Dansco 7070 Modified Type Set ---- Donato's Basic U.S. Coin Design Set
Successful transactions: Shrub68 (Jim), MWallace (Mike)
Very nice. I’m impressed you can fit so much in over a short few days. Great report!!
Thanks for the report Charmy!
TBD
Thanks.
Nice report charmy, wtg
Mahalo
As usual, thanks for the detailed report and awesome pics
Successful transactions with : MICHAELDIXON, Manorcourtman, Bochiman, bolivarshagnasty, AUandAG, onlyroosies, chumley, Weiss, jdimmick, BAJJERFAN, gene1978, TJM965, Smittys, GRANDAM, JTHawaii, mainejoe, softparade, derryb
Bad transactions with : nobody to date
It was great talking with you Charmy!
Best, Jack.
Very nice Report, I enjoyed the show vicariously though your pictures... thanks!
It's all about what the people want...
@ThePennyLady.... Outstanding show report Charmy... Great pictures, great coins, great wines... And not a hot dog or mustard in sight.....
Really enjoyed your report... Thank you.
Cheers, RickO
"When I walked over to the DLRC table, John flagged me down to look at some large cent coins, which I examined. I asked what was special about them and he told me they were counterfeit! I couldn't believe it, they were so well done that it was really hard to tell. Jack Young who is an expert in detecting counterfeit coins was showing John several coins that had actually gotten past the certifying companies and were still in their holders. Jack also showed me why these coins were actually counterfeits, and I can tell you, unless you knew exactly what to look for, they would have gotten past most dealers and collectors and even some experts. It's very, very scary how good these counterfeiters really are!
Believe it or not, these are all counterfeits!"
Counterfeits getting through PCGS grading experts is very disconcerting. How many more counterfeits are slabbed that we do not know about. PCGS and NGC needs to up their game. Maybe the grading process needs to slow down and be less of pushing coins through the grading factory. From a previous thread I recall it only takes 7 to 15 seconds to grade a coin.
Thank you, Charmy!
Oh, how I look forward to your show reports! It looks like you had an amazing time!
That 1795 flowing hair dollar in 64+ that your friend had was amazing!! What a blue chip Coin!!
I also liked the 1796 quarter!
I am shocked that those counterfeits got past the TPGS!! Very scary indeed!!
Cheers!!
Sometimes, it’s better to be LUCKY than good. 🍀 🍺👍
My Full Walker Registry Set (1916-1947):
https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/
Thanks for the excellent report and glad you had a great show.
Love your taste in wine. Del Cotto Caves Wine is excellent and it’s a great place to visit. The winery is in a cave.
Great picture you took below of Big Bear Lake and Snow Summit Ski Resort on the far left slightly above the lake as you’re approaching Orange County. San Gorgonio Mt, the highest peak in So. Ca. at 11,500 feet is in the background and San Jacinto Mt. Is in the very far background. Palm Springs is east of San Jacinto and has a cable car which takes you to the top.
Thanks so much for your show report, Charmy.
Wine, Food and coins, what's not to like.
Glad that it was a great and successful show for you.
Nice pick-ups on the SVDB's.
I was really intrigued by the 1858 LL Flying Eagle.
Please let us know how it grades out by PCGS.
Again, always a pleasure to read your reports.
Thanks.
Wayne
Kennedys are my quest...
So nice to find someone so passionate! Actually not complaining about something, enjoying the flight, hotel, convention, and reminding all of us what it should all be about.
Reminds me of a flight years ago when the pilot actually dipped the wings for us to get a better view of the Grand Canyon. And nobody whined about the open window shades interfering with their twitter feed.
A breath of fresh air, thank you!
Thank you, Charmy. Always love your show reports.
Great report!
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Great report Charmy! Wonderful to see you at the show! -John
Whitman Brands: President/CEO (www.greysheet.com; www.whitman.com)
PNG: Executive Director (www.pngdealers.org)
Great report as always. I sure missed being there this year.
Lotsa people, food, alcohol, coins, what more could anyone want? Great report.
Fun fact, Perry's originated in H-town, we used to enjoy the Clear Lake location and also their Italian Kitchen in our 'hood. The steakhouse was move to Baybrook Mall and the IK closed down. Good to see they have expanded to other cities, I like Perry's better than many of the other well-known high end steakhouse franchises including the one next to Minute Maid Park. Perry are you reading this - Waikiki..............
There are many really good counterfeits out there; I have documented quite a few in my Coin Week articles.
Jack
Thank you everyone once again for all your kind comments. I'm very glad to see that coin shows are thriving and even getting busier and better. It's also great to see more and more young adults participating and working the shows as well.
The ANA and the CSNS show in particular make a point of adding the social aspect to their shows. It's not just the fun part, which it definitely is, but to me, this is a very important part of coin shows as it helps us get to know the folks we deal/work with, gives us more knowledge about what's going on in the numismatic world, and I learn who I can refer customers to if I don't have what they're looking for, and vice versa. The cocktail hour and dinner events to me are a great asset and huge benefit to participating in coin shows.
The counterfeit issue is really scary and frustrating, and requires that everyone be very diligent and know the series that they collect. And it certainly doesn't hurt to take any counterfeit detection class available, especially the in depth ones offered at the ANA Summer Seminar. The counterfeits I saw and posted about in this show report were very deceptive. I couldn't tell they were counterfeits until Jack showed me the specific signs on these coins - whoever made them knew how to try and make them look as authentic as possible, even using real planchets from old worn out coins. Next time you're at a large show and you see Jack Young, ask him to show you any counterfeit coins he may have with him. He's very knowledgeable and very willing to share that knowledge.
The Penny Lady®
Thank you for taking the time to present all the photos and stories, felt Like I was there enjoying the show.
What can I say Charmy, you outdo yourself again and again.
What's not to like with these greatly written reads; from start to finish from, air views, wine and dine peeks, show details galore to basics to rare examples shared with details, pics to prove it (that 1795 $1 yummy), and so much more.
Thank you for the report, covering more than just the coin side. I'd comment more but for some reason I'm hungry.
Thank you for another interesting show report!
I always look forward to your show reports and this was one of the best. Keep um coming.
it's crackers to slip a rozzer the dropsy in snide
A to Z, these are the coolest damn show reports! Thanks Charmy.
Dave
Charmy, your reports, for me, are really better than being there. You see, if I were there I would miss all of your great wine recommendations I am am glad that your sales were very good and that Penny remembered you when you got home. But the only thing missing in reading your show report is that I missed the opportunity of talking with you.
OINK
Yes, they are clearly trading off speed/volume for accuracy.
Actually these are the best counterfeits I have seen; would take the time and effort to actually attribute them to catch them IMHO...
Jack
FYI, here's a a link to an article that Jack Young wrote about these counterfeits - it's very enlightening and well worth the read! https://coinweek.com/from-the-dark-corner-counterfeit-early-coppers-in-genuine-tpg-holders/?fbclid=IwAR1lwFG4kYGFf9272zRYhPQYLrjED6GzKd5ZOB0Vm2V3i9tI0oU3MV-0A8Y
The Penny Lady®
Once again your recap does not fail to inform. The Grand Canyon pics were fantastic. A treat to see them. Troubling about the counterfeits. More so that they slipped through the eyes of the experts. Lastly, the photo of the airport ceiling lights remind me of the Fremont Experience in downtown Vegas.