Now that the ware R-UA will be ending soon.. will the CB's still be buying up gold ? I don't like to waste money investing in gold!!
Not when NVDA has increased 350% in a year and TSLA 35% in a week.
I've said that gold could hit $5,000 by 2035. Could happen sooner....or never. Who knows ?
It's why I say that gold is a SPECULATION and not an INVESTMENT.
If you read the AEP Telegraph article, gold has been rising alongside other indicators that should -- in the past -- be a major NEGATIVE for the price of gold. But it's gone up regardless.
@GoldFinger1969 said: I've said that gold could hit $5,000 by 2035. Could happen sooner....or never. Who knows ?
It's why I say that gold is a SPECULATION and not an INVESTMENT.
If you read the AEP Telegraph article, gold has been rising alongside other indicators that should -- in the past -- be a major NEGATIVE for the price of gold. But it's gone up regardless.
There are better speculative plays than gold. BTC is one, I prefer ETH.
There are no better hard, in hand hedges against the dollar than physical gold. If you have full faith in the currency and its manipulators then stack dollars.
No Way Out: Stimulus and Money Printing Are the Only Path Left
@derryb said:
There are no better hard, in hand hedges against the dollar than physical gold. If you have full faith in the currency >and its manipulators then stack dollars.
You stack financial assets quoted in dollars like stocks and bonds and money market funds.
And yes....they are doing great and one's faith has been WELL rewarded !
If history rhymes and the CPI goes up to say 8%+ again from 2025 to 2027 like hypothesized, the Fed will raise rates, Powell will be replaced, market will panic, and a deep recession will follow.
In 1978-1980, was the bond market being pressured from unfunded liabilities and debt overhang the way that it's being pressured now? I don't recall any discussion back then regarding interest on the debt being larger than the entire military budget. I think it's worse now in relative terms.
Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally
@jmski52 said:
In 1978-1980, was the bond market being pressured from unfunded liabilities and debt overhang the way that it's being pressured now? I don't recall any discussion back then regarding interest on the debt being larger than the entire military budget. I think it's worse now in relative terms.
@jmski52 said:
In 1978-1980, was the bond market being pressured from unfunded liabilities and debt overhang the way that it's >being pressured now? I don't recall any discussion back then regarding interest on the debt being larger than the >entire military budget. I think it's worse now in relative terms.
No, the move in yields to 15.27% was driven by inflation, currency upheaval (end of Bretton Woods), and gold soaring 20-fold in 9 years.
@Goldminers said:
If history rhymes and the CPI goes up to say 8%+ again from 2025 to 2027 like hypothesized, the Fed will raise >rates, Powell will be replaced, market will panic, and a deep recession will follow.
I can't see inflation going anywhere near 8%. Back in the 1970's, you had an economy impacted by labor costs (35% of labor force unionized, today its 7%) and an energy-intensive economy that was hit by a 10-fold increase in the price of oil.
Labor costs (70% of goods/services) are under control and we have only 1/3rd the energy intensity of 50 years ago. While I think the era of super-low rates ARE over....I don't see a 35-year bond bear market taking rates way way higher.
While I think the era of super-low rates ARE over....I don't see a 35-year bond bear market taking rates way way higher.
I don't believe that debt/GDP has ever been higher. What makes you think that rates are manageable? The spending and interest are increasing faster, not decreasing.
Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally
Despite claims of "tightening," the FED's balance sheet is slowly increasing. The Fed is buying bonds. Its balance sheet is expanding. The Fed has quietly resumed quantitative easing (QE). The Fed’s stealth QE is merely warming up the printing presses. Get gold!
No Way Out: Stimulus and Money Printing Are the Only Path Left
"The discontinuation of the penny is more than a cost-saving measure; it underscores the ongoing devaluation of paper money. As inflation erodes purchasing power, the smallest denominations become obsolete, and the public's trust in fiat currency diminishes. This trend raises critical questions about the future of money and the importance of preserving wealth through tangible assets."
Maybe they'll finally eliminate the two decimal places on the price of gasoline. They'll need to in order to price gas at $10+ on their signs. LOL
No Way Out: Stimulus and Money Printing Are the Only Path Left
"The discontinuation of the penny is more than a cost-saving measure; it underscores the ongoing devaluation of paper money. As inflation erodes purchasing power, the smallest denominations become obsolete, and the public's trust in fiat currency diminishes. This trend raises critical questions about the future of money and the importance of preserving wealth through tangible assets."
Maybe they'll finally eliminate the two decimal places on the price of gasoline. They'll need to in order to price gas at $10+ on their signs. LOL
Well, they did get rid of the 1/2 cent 160 years ago, so yeah, that trust is eroding fast. Maybe they get rid of the nickel in 2280?
Just bustin....but I really dont think anyone is losing faith in the the US dollar because they stop making "pennies".
@derryb said:
Despite claims of "tightening," the FED's balance sheet is slowly increasing. The Fed is buying bonds. Its balance sheet is expanding. The Fed has quietly resumed quantitative easing (QE). The Fed’s stealth QE is merely warming up the printing presses. Get gold!
It's a result of the Treasury General Account being inflated after April 15th Tax payments. The Treasury will be releasing liquidity into the market and the Fed's balance sheet will resume a gradual decline going forward.
@derryb said:
Despite claims of "tightening," the FED's balance sheet is slowly increasing. The Fed is buying bonds. Its balance sheet is expanding. The Fed has quietly resumed quantitative easing (QE). The Fed’s stealth QE is merely warming up the printing presses. Get gold!
It's a result of the Treasury General Account being inflated after April 15th Tax payments. The Treasury will be releasing liquidity into the market and the Fed's balance sheet will resume a gradual decline going forward.
Scary thought that our publicly owned Treasury Department is glued to the hip of a central bank made up of private bankers. But then again we have known this since forever,
No Way Out: Stimulus and Money Printing Are the Only Path Left
@Goldminers said:
Many market moves are unexpected by the majority of those involved.
True....but I can't see much higher yields or inflation than at current levels or a bit higher.
The 1970's were unique: gold up 20-fold....fixed exchange rates ditched....double-digit inflation....gas lines....anybody remember Odd and Even Days ?
I remember buying gas when I got my driver's license (at 16) at 29¢ a gallon. Actually it may even have been 19¢. In 1975 when I graduated I was paying 69¢ a gallon in our state and thought I was being robbed! 😂
@derryb said:
Despite claims of "tightening," the FED's balance sheet is slowly increasing. The Fed is buying bonds. Its balance sheet is expanding. The Fed has quietly resumed quantitative easing (QE). The Fed’s stealth QE is merely warming up the printing presses. Get gold!
It's a result of the Treasury General Account being inflated after April 15th Tax payments. The Treasury will be releasing liquidity into the market and the Fed's balance sheet will resume a gradual decline going forward.
Scary thought that our publicly owned Treasury Department is glued to the hip of a central bank made up of private bankers. But then again we have known this since forever,
@derryb said:
Scary thought that our publicly owned Treasury Department is glued to the hip of a central bank made up of >private bankers. But then again we have known this since forever,
You continue to show you have no understanding of modern banking or the Fed. You continue to shill for a political elite and political media who say the same thing you do even though you may think you are arguing counter to them along with the click-bait anti-Fed zombies who have no investment or economic credibility.
You may THINK you are against "the globalists" but in fact your statements align perfectly with them. Nobody in the country, note even the dunces in Congress, are saying what you are saying regarding banks and the Fed and the Treasury.
You might want to read about how the Fed was formed and the Treasury-Fed Accord of 1951.
@Newbiedoobiedoo said:
I remember buying gas when I got my driver's license (at 16) at 29¢ a gallon. Actually it may even have been 19¢. In >1975 when I graduated I was paying 69¢ a gallon in our state and thought I was being robbed! 😂
The price of WTI crude went up from $3 in 1972 to $12 in 1974. The Fed doesn't own any oil wells.
@derryb said:
Scary thought that our publicly owned Treasury Department is glued to the hip of a central bank made up of >private bankers. But then again we have known this since forever,
You continue to show you have no understanding of modern banking or the Fed. You continue to shill for a political elite and political media who say the same thing you do even though you may think you are arguing counter to them along with the click-bait anti-Fed zombies who have no investment or economic credibility.
You may THINK you are against "the globalists" but in fact your statements align perfectly with them. Nobody in the country, note even the dunces in Congress, are saying what you are saying regarding banks and the Fed and the Treasury.
You might want to read about how the Fed was formed and the Treasury-Fed Accord of 1951.
yep i know enough to know that I wish to remain far from them. Just how close are you to them. LOL
No Way Out: Stimulus and Money Printing Are the Only Path Left
@derryb said:
yep i know enough to know that I wish to remain far from them. Just how close are you to them. LOL
I know that a strong banking sector leads to a strong economy. Europe and Japan have had sick banks for decades. It's hurt their economies and GDP growth
You obsess over bank influence over the Fed even though the non-voting "ownership" is spread over thousands of banks. Any economic benefit is so minimal it's like finding change in a lounge sofa for the banks.
@derryb said:
The case for $5K gold is reinforced with the fact that US bonds are no longer a safe have asset.
Nonsense, they most certainly are. Look where the hot money flows to today.
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Change is often referred to as "nonsense" - until it can no longer be ignored.
Mohamed El-Erian, who is one of the best financial observers there is, disagrees with you.
@derryb said:
The case for $5K gold is reinforced with the fact that US bonds are no longer a safe have asset.
Nonsense, they most certainly are. Look where the hot money flows to today.
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Change is often referred to as "nonsense" - until it can no longer be ignored.
Mohamed El-Erian, who is one of the best financial observers there is, disagrees with you.
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Never heard of him. Another physical peddler.
PS I like bonds, GLD, SLV, PPLT, Physical metal, farmland, livestock etc. It all bee gouid! RGDS!
@derryb said:
The case for $5K gold is reinforced with the fact that US bonds are no longer a safe have asset.
Nonsense, they most certainly are. Look where the hot money flows to today.
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Change is often referred to as "nonsense" - until it can no longer be ignored.
Mohamed El-Erian, who is one of the best financial observers there is, disagrees with you.
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Never heard of him. Another physical peddler.
PS I like bonds, GLD, SLV, PPLT, Physical metal, farmland, livestock etc. It all bee gouid! RGDS!
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I'm not surprised. You have never heard of a lot of things.
And we are supposed to believe a non-entity such as yourself over a person that has more accurate economic insight, a proven track record, and far more impressive credentials than anyone here ?
He is the president of a college and the former CEO of bond fund PIMCO.
What are you ?
He is not a "peddler", nor does he sell metal (or anything else).
@dcarr said:
He is the president of a college and the former CEO of bond fund PIMCO.
What are you ?
He is not a "peddler", nor does he sell metal (or anything else).
Yeah, but he is NOT a Gold Bug and doesn't believe that everything is going to pot like some people here think.
I've met with Mohamed (Jets fan !) and we've sparred a few times. He approaches things from a globalist perspective whereas his former colleague Bill "Bond King" Gross is more domestic. They are both super-sharp.
Current "bond kings" are Rick Reider and Jeff Gundlach, if anybody wants bond exposure, grab their stuff. I have.
@dcarr said:
He is the president of a college and the former CEO of bond fund PIMCO.
What are you ?
He is not a "peddler", nor does he sell metal (or anything else).
Yeah, but he is NOT a Gold Bug and doesn't believe that everything is going to pot like some people here think.
I've met with Mohamed (Jets fan !) and we've sparred a few times. He approaches things from a globalist perspective whereas his former colleague Bill "Bond King" Gross is more domestic. They are both super-sharp.
Current "bond kings" are Rick Reider and Jeff Gundlach, if anybody wants bond exposure, grab their stuff. I have.
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You have to face the facts. US Treasury bonds are not viewed as the premier safe haven refuge that they once were.
The fact that they did not go up in price at all when Israel bombed Iran is proof. And you are totally wrong in calling it "nonsense",
@dcarr said:
You have to face the facts. US Treasury bonds are not viewed as the premier safe haven refuge that they once >were.
The fact that they did not go up in price at all when Israel bombed Iran is proof. And you are totally wrong in calling >it "nonsense",
Because the Israeli strike was a non-event. We've seen this play before.
In the past, bonds would be up 2 points and oil would have been up $25/bbl. Oil and T-Bonds both barely budged.
No other sovereign bonds rallied in price or fell in yield from flight-to-safety, Dcarr.
@dcarr said:
You have to face the facts. US Treasury bonds are not viewed as the premier safe haven refuge that they once >were.
The fact that they did not go up in price at all when Israel bombed Iran is proof. And you are totally wrong in calling >it "nonsense",
Because the Israeli strike was a non-event. We've seen this play before.
only a skirmish at this point, but gold sees it as more. dcarr called it correctly: "US Treasury bonds are not viewed as the premier safe haven refuge that they once were."
In the past, bonds would be up 2 points and oil would have been up $25/bbl. Oil and T-Bonds both barely budged.
No other sovereign bonds rallied in price or fell in yield from flight-to-safety, Dcarr.
Sounds like US bonds hold the same status as the rest of worldwide debt.
No Way Out: Stimulus and Money Printing Are the Only Path Left
Why did the rates on long bonds go up when the Fed dropped short term rates faster than any time in recent history? It looks obvious to me that when the Fed pumps more fake money into the system, the market has caught onto the actual cause of inflation. There's no justification in a small cabal of bankers being allowed to manipulate the bond market.
End the Fed. Let the market solve the problems of misallocation of assets. It might get ugly but it won't be nearly as ugly as the control system that the bankers want to implement.
Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally
@jmski52 said:
Why did the rates on long bonds go up when the Fed dropped short term rates faster than any time in recent history?
Thats not true. The Fed cut more in 2020 and 2008 and 2001 and 1991. But what you witnessed is just the yield curve normalizing. The 10 and 30 year yields are the same (lower) as they were almost 2 years ago...when the Fed funds rate was 100bps higher. Long rates have not gone up.
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It looks obvious to me that when the Fed pumps more fake money into the system, the market has caught onto the actual cause of inflation. There's no justification in a small cabal of bankers being allowed to manipulate the bond market.
End the Fed. Let the market solve the problems of misallocation of assets. It might get ugly but it won't be nearly as ugly as the control system that the bankers want to implement.
End Congress. Stop the excessive spending (fraud waste and abuse) that creates inflation and makes the FEDs job much more difficult. Let the market allocate assets to worthwhile projects. Its the congress folk that like this system as it gives them the power.
Thats not true. The Fed cut more in 2020 and 2008 and 2001 and 1991.
Oh, but it is true. I didn't say "more", I said "faster". I said that the Fed raised rates faster (in a shorter length of time), not more, than at any time in recent history.
So answer my question, why did long bonds go up (almost a whole point) when the Fed was manipulating the short end of the bond market down?
End Congress. Stop the excessive spending (fraud waste and abuse) that creates inflation and makes the FEDs job much more difficult. Let the market allocate assets to worthwhile projects. Its the congress folk that like this system as it gives them the power.
End the Fed. If the banking lobby hadn't corrupted Congress, the overspending would result in bond defaults and the corrupt officials would be run out of town when they had to raise taxes as a result of the bond default.
The way things operate right now, one hand washes the other and nobody is ever held accountable. Except that taxpayers and bank depositors become the bagholders every time, and only once in a blue moon does a banker or a politician go to jail.
Q: Are You Printing Money? Bernanke: Not Literally
That doesn't really say anything about safe haven money going into bonds, because the article was posted before Israel struck Iran.
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2 irrelevant terrorists striking each other. In the real world we would call that a "Nothingburger™" RGDS!
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When the news first came out that Israel had made a large coordinated and sophisticated attack against Iran, nobody knew how big the conflict might get (and we still don't). But it was the biggest military action between the two so far. The natural reaction of people upon hearing the news was to look for a safe haven. Bonds didn't move. Gold is where people went. Demand for US Treasury bonds did not change. Gold was bid higher. That is the fact.
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Now that the ware R-UA will be ending soon.. will the CB's still be buying up gold ? I don't like to waste money investing in gold!!
Not when NVDA has increased 350% in a year and TSLA 35% in a week.
I've said that gold could hit $5,000 by 2035. Could happen sooner....or never. Who knows ?
It's why I say that gold is a SPECULATION and not an INVESTMENT.
If you read the AEP Telegraph article, gold has been rising alongside other indicators that should -- in the past -- be a major NEGATIVE for the price of gold. But it's gone up regardless.
There are better speculative plays than gold. BTC is one, I prefer ETH.
There are no better hard, in hand hedges against the dollar than physical gold. If you have full faith in the currency and its manipulators then stack dollars.
No Way Out: Stimulus and Money Printing Are the Only Path Left
You stack financial assets quoted in dollars like stocks and bonds and money market funds.
And yes....they are doing great and one's faith has been WELL rewarded !
No Way Out: Stimulus and Money Printing Are the Only Path Left
History rhyme?
No Way Out: Stimulus and Money Printing Are the Only Path Left
If history rhymes and the CPI goes up to say 8%+ again from 2025 to 2027 like hypothesized, the Fed will raise rates, Powell will be replaced, market will panic, and a deep recession will follow.
My US Mint Commemorative Medal Set
In 1978-1980, was the bond market being pressured from unfunded liabilities and debt overhang the way that it's being pressured now? I don't recall any discussion back then regarding interest on the debt being larger than the entire military budget. I think it's worse now in relative terms.
I knew it would happen.
That's so last century. 'Merica be BOOMIN!™ RGDS!
No, the move in yields to 15.27% was driven by inflation, currency upheaval (end of Bretton Woods), and gold soaring 20-fold in 9 years.
I can't see inflation going anywhere near 8%. Back in the 1970's, you had an economy impacted by labor costs (35% of labor force unionized, today its 7%) and an energy-intensive economy that was hit by a 10-fold increase in the price of oil.
Labor costs (70% of goods/services) are under control and we have only 1/3rd the energy intensity of 50 years ago. While I think the era of super-low rates ARE over....I don't see a 35-year bond bear market taking rates way way higher.
Many market moves are unexpected by the majority of those involved.
My US Mint Commemorative Medal Set
I don't see a 35-year bond bear market taking rates way way higher.
That typically has been the cycle though.
Knowledge is the enemy of fear
While I think the era of super-low rates ARE over....I don't see a 35-year bond bear market taking rates way way higher.
I don't believe that debt/GDP has ever been higher. What makes you think that rates are manageable? The spending and interest are increasing faster, not decreasing.
I knew it would happen.
Despite claims of "tightening," the FED's balance sheet is slowly increasing. The Fed is buying bonds. Its balance sheet is expanding. The Fed has quietly resumed quantitative easing (QE). The Fed’s stealth QE is merely warming up the printing presses. Get gold!
No Way Out: Stimulus and Money Printing Are the Only Path Left
Farewell to the Penny: Final Order Placed by U.S. Mint
"The discontinuation of the penny is more than a cost-saving measure; it underscores the ongoing devaluation of paper money. As inflation erodes purchasing power, the smallest denominations become obsolete, and the public's trust in fiat currency diminishes. This trend raises critical questions about the future of money and the importance of preserving wealth through tangible assets."
Maybe they'll finally eliminate the two decimal places on the price of gasoline. They'll need to in order to price gas at $10+ on their signs. LOL
No Way Out: Stimulus and Money Printing Are the Only Path Left
Well, they did get rid of the 1/2 cent 160 years ago, so yeah, that trust is eroding fast. Maybe they get rid of the nickel in 2280?
Just bustin....but I really dont think anyone is losing faith in the the US dollar because they stop making "pennies".
Knowledge is the enemy of fear
True....but I can't see much higher yields or inflation than at current levels or a bit higher.
The 1970's were unique: gold up 20-fold....fixed exchange rates ditched....double-digit inflation....gas lines....anybody remember Odd and Even Days ?
It's a result of the Treasury General Account being inflated after April 15th Tax payments. The Treasury will be releasing liquidity into the market and the Fed's balance sheet will resume a gradual decline going forward.
Scary thought that our publicly owned Treasury Department is glued to the hip of a central bank made up of private bankers. But then again we have known this since forever,
No Way Out: Stimulus and Money Printing Are the Only Path Left
I remember buying gas when I got my driver's license (at 16) at 29¢ a gallon. Actually it may even have been 19¢. In 1975 when I graduated I was paying 69¢ a gallon in our state and thought I was being robbed! 😂
I'm not scared. We be BOOMIN!™. RGDS!
You continue to show you have no understanding of modern banking or the Fed. You continue to shill for a political elite and political media who say the same thing you do even though you may think you are arguing counter to them along with the click-bait anti-Fed zombies who have no investment or economic credibility.
You may THINK you are against "the globalists" but in fact your statements align perfectly with them. Nobody in the country, note even the dunces in Congress, are saying what you are saying regarding banks and the Fed and the Treasury.
You might want to read about how the Fed was formed and the Treasury-Fed Accord of 1951.
The price of WTI crude went up from $3 in 1972 to $12 in 1974. The Fed doesn't own any oil wells.
yep i know enough to know that I wish to remain far from them. Just how close are you to them. LOL
No Way Out: Stimulus and Money Printing Are the Only Path Left
I know that a strong banking sector leads to a strong economy. Europe and Japan have had sick banks for decades. It's hurt their economies and GDP growth
You obsess over bank influence over the Fed even though the non-voting "ownership" is spread over thousands of banks. Any economic benefit is so minimal it's like finding change in a lounge sofa for the banks.
The case for $5K gold is reinforced with the fact that US bonds are no longer a safe have asset.
No Way Out: Stimulus and Money Printing Are the Only Path Left
Poor Russia, always the victim. Lol.
Russia won't even be a country in 20 years.
Actions have consequences.
Curious your sympathies.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-06-04/russia-s-rainy-day-fund-lost-around-6-billion-in-may
The fund will be depleted by end of year at that rate. What else can they sell to raise cash?
Knowledge is the enemy of fear
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/russian-pipeline-gas-exports-europe-reach-highest-this-year-2024-08-01/
Nonsense, they most certainly are. Look where the hot money flows to today.
Nonsense, they most certainly are. Look where the hot money flows to today.
Keeping your head in the sand doesn't make it so.
I knew it would happen.
Who's head is in the sand?
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/stock-market-today-trump-tariffs-trade-war-06-12-2025/card/treasury-yields-extend-declines-after-strong-30-year-bond-auction-uiV458rJKSOUSyw158Jf
Knowledge is the enemy of fear
Buying bonds again, coho?
I knew it would happen.
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Change is often referred to as "nonsense" - until it can no longer be ignored.
Mohamed El-Erian, who is one of the best financial observers there is, disagrees with you.
Full article at Kitco:
https://kitco.com/news/article/2025-06-13/gold-dominating-safe-haven-flows-over-usd-following-israels-attack-iran-el?utm_source=site_navigation&utm_medium=sidebar_link&utm_campaign=latest_news&utm_term=gold_ab_sidebar_news
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Never heard of him. Another physical peddler.
PS I like bonds, GLD, SLV, PPLT, Physical metal, farmland, livestock etc. It all bee gouid! RGDS!
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I'm not surprised. You have never heard of a lot of things.
And we are supposed to believe a non-entity such as yourself over a person that has more accurate economic insight, a proven track record, and far more impressive credentials than anyone here ?
He is the president of a college and the former CEO of bond fund PIMCO.
What are you ?
He is not a "peddler", nor does he sell metal (or anything else).
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No Way Out: Stimulus and Money Printing Are the Only Path Left
Yeah, but he is NOT a Gold Bug and doesn't believe that everything is going to pot like some people here think.
I've met with Mohamed (Jets fan !) and we've sparred a few times. He approaches things from a globalist perspective whereas his former colleague Bill "Bond King" Gross is more domestic. They are both super-sharp.
Current "bond kings" are Rick Reider and Jeff Gundlach, if anybody wants bond exposure, grab their stuff. I have.
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You have to face the facts. US Treasury bonds are not viewed as the premier safe haven refuge that they once were.
The fact that they did not go up in price at all when Israel bombed Iran is proof. And you are totally wrong in calling it "nonsense",
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Because the Israeli strike was a non-event. We've seen this play before.
In the past, bonds would be up 2 points and oil would have been up $25/bbl. Oil and T-Bonds both barely budged.
No other sovereign bonds rallied in price or fell in yield from flight-to-safety, Dcarr.
only a skirmish at this point, but gold sees it as more. dcarr called it correctly: "US Treasury bonds are not viewed as the premier safe haven refuge that they once were."
Sounds like US bonds hold the same status as the rest of worldwide debt.
No Way Out: Stimulus and Money Printing Are the Only Path Left
Oil and T-Bonds both barely budged.
Oil, up +$4.69. 7.34% You seem dismissive of reality.
The reason that bonds haven't rallied is because nobody wants to buy them. They're buying gold, and that specifically includes central banks.
I knew it would happen.
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In case you forgot to read it ...
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/stock-market-today-trump-tariffs-trade-war-06-12-2025/card/treasury-yields-extend-declines-after-strong-30-year-bond-auction-uiV458rJKSOUSyw158Jf
Knowledge is the enemy of fear
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That doesn't really say anything about safe haven money going into bonds, because the article was posted before Israel struck Iran.
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Why do you always put a period 2 lines down after your comment?
Are you trying to make some sort of statement.....like thats the final word on this...PERIOD!!!
Knowledge is the enemy of fear
Why did the rates on long bonds go up when the Fed dropped short term rates faster than any time in recent history? It looks obvious to me that when the Fed pumps more fake money into the system, the market has caught onto the actual cause of inflation. There's no justification in a small cabal of bankers being allowed to manipulate the bond market.
End the Fed. Let the market solve the problems of misallocation of assets. It might get ugly but it won't be nearly as ugly as the control system that the bankers want to implement.
I knew it would happen.
Thats not true. The Fed cut more in 2020 and 2008 and 2001 and 1991. But what you witnessed is just the yield curve normalizing. The 10 and 30 year yields are the same (lower) as they were almost 2 years ago...when the Fed funds rate was 100bps higher. Long rates have not gone up.
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End Congress. Stop the excessive spending (fraud waste and abuse) that creates inflation and makes the FEDs job much more difficult. Let the market allocate assets to worthwhile projects. Its the congress folk that like this system as it gives them the power.
Knowledge is the enemy of fear
Thats not true. The Fed cut more in 2020 and 2008 and 2001 and 1991.
Oh, but it is true. I didn't say "more", I said "faster". I said that the Fed raised rates faster (in a shorter length of time), not more, than at any time in recent history.
So answer my question, why did long bonds go up (almost a whole point) when the Fed was manipulating the short end of the bond market down?
End Congress. Stop the excessive spending (fraud waste and abuse) that creates inflation and makes the FEDs job much more difficult. Let the market allocate assets to worthwhile projects. Its the congress folk that like this system as it gives them the power.
End the Fed. If the banking lobby hadn't corrupted Congress, the overspending would result in bond defaults and the corrupt officials would be run out of town when they had to raise taxes as a result of the bond default.
The way things operate right now, one hand washes the other and nobody is ever held accountable. Except that taxpayers and bank depositors become the bagholders every time, and only once in a blue moon does a banker or a politician go to jail.
I knew it would happen.
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When the news first came out that Israel had made a large coordinated and sophisticated attack against Iran, nobody knew how big the conflict might get (and we still don't). But it was the biggest military action between the two so far. The natural reaction of people upon hearing the news was to look for a safe haven. Bonds didn't move. Gold is where people went. Demand for US Treasury bonds did not change. Gold was bid higher. That is the fact.
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Lacking a relevant point in regards to safe haven money flows, it appears the only thing you have is a distraction.
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