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Will this 1878-CC half straight grade?

BarberianBarberian Posts: 3,248 ✭✭✭✭✭

I took a risk years ago and bought this raw off eBay. I believed it to be real. However, when I received it, thought it might be fake because the mintmark didn't look quite right, and the color was off. The seller has since disappeared off eBay as well. I put it in the Dansco and avoided checking it out for years. Upon acquiring Bill Bugert's CC die marriage registry, I finally decided to see if it's real or not. The verdict after ring testing, reed counting, and checking mintmarks and die markers is it appears to be silver and real.

I'll be submitting this coin to PCGS soon at Summer FUN. Will it straight grade in your opinion? I grade it at VF20. It has some very light corrosion and is a bit off color as if it had been quickly dipped at one time, but it is not hairlined from cleaning or wiping.

3 rim nicks away from Good

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    Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 11,239 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’d say at least a 50/50 chance it straight grades, but even getting it in a Genuine holder would be very desirable, so you can’t lose.

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    MeltdownMeltdown Posts: 8,723 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks a little messed with in my opinion...

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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,609 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 26, 2023 5:11AM

    I would say no. It looks like it’s been cleaned with an abrasive, especially on the reverse. There are probably hairlines from the cleaning.

    The one factor that might save you is that it is a Carson City coin. It’s been my experience that the grading services sometimes cut those coins a break. Still I think this might be a bit too far.

    I once owned an 1853 With Arrows and Rays half dollar that looked more convincing than this piece. You could spot the hairlines only at certain angles. It flunked.

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    WCCWCC Posts: 2,469 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It might "net grade". If it were a comparable coin from my primary interest which is usually scarcer, probably not.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Barberian ... If it were my coin, I would submit it. Might get details, would need in hand examination to be sure either way. Looks authentic though... Cheers, RickO

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    logger7logger7 Posts: 8,227 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'd say because it's low grade it has a better than even chance; they'll make the right decision based on whether it's ma.

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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,035 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It appears to have been burnished with a cloth to bring out the high points. It should not receive a straight grade ... but ... because it is a "CC" ... who knows.

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    BarberianBarberian Posts: 3,248 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 26, 2023 8:43AM

    @BillJones said:
    I would say no. It looks like it’s been cleaned with an abrasive, especially on the reverse. There are probably hairlines from the cleaning.

    The one factor that might save you is that it is a Carson City coin. It’s been my experience that the grading services sometimes cut those coins a break. Still I think this might be a bit too far.

    I once owned an 1853 With Arrows and Rays half dollar that looked more convincing than this piece. You could spot the hairlines only at certain angles. It flunked.

    You're right about TPGs cutting a break on hairlines for CC coins, though they allow hairlines on lots of coins. I just had an 1874-CC straight grade that had extensive fine hairlining. I have several slabbed coins that show hairlining from cleaning/wiping.

    However, this coin doesn't show hairlining. I agree it's been burnished somewhat, but under a scope, it has fine, granular surfaces and some micro-pitting, but it isn't hairlined.

    I realize some burnishing and an off color, possibly from a dip, is enough for graders to reject a coin. Just like a hairlined, lightly corroded 74-CC with a natural look will straight grade.

    1874-CC WB1 PCGS G6

    3 rim nicks away from Good
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    OwnerofawheatiehordeOwnerofawheatiehorde Posts: 1,535 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If it was any other MM, it would be details. Being a CC and all, it does have a chance.

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    jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,625 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I doubt it

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    alaura22alaura22 Posts: 2,785 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I really don't like hearing that some coins based on their mint mark get special treatment. also like some early copper cents.
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    fathomfathom Posts: 1,536 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Unfortunately, no.

    "Antiqued".

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    goldengolden Posts: 9,179 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I vote no.

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    logger7logger7 Posts: 8,227 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thousands if it straight grades, didn't realize these are so tough. I'd be very happy with a F15.

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    WCCWCC Posts: 2,469 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @alaura22 said:
    I really don't like hearing that some coins based on their mint mark get special treatment. also like some early copper cents.
    Man, she's ugly.........but she's a blond so we'll cut her some slack...
    Detailed coins are detailed coins, period!

    The grading of early copper makes perfect sense to me, if it's primarily influenced by the preferences of EAC buyers. The opinion of those who don't buy it should be irrelevant. This includes me.

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    Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 7,767 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 27, 2023 6:56PM

    It looks nice, like it - don’t c why not it straight grade but it’s our hosts who render the verdict. Just send it in take your turn at bat.

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