Actually, I do have one. I bought this coin from a friend of my mother as a favor to my mother. It was nice to spend time with them discussing coins. I cherish the memory.
My hole collection would be details-graded if they were in plastic. A couple of dozen or so are entombed. I still collect avidly and need hundreds more.
I paid straight-grade VG money for this engraved 1799 Bust Dollar. I bought it raw on eBay and I would have paid more. It is my only Details-graded coin, yet it is perhaps the most cherished in my small collection.
Depends on how harsh the cleaning or how questionable the toning. And if one can see the possible reasons behind the intentions or unintentional.... If there was something like a scratch or carbon spotting that needed to be covered up or removed. Other factors involve availability and staying within a budget. Another, timing, ending the waiting game.
Bought two varieties of recent, an unc. details 1939 Dbl Mont. and a AU details 1943/2-P.
But the Dbl Mont looks more AU and the over-date looks far more unc, almost PL. And the 1939 has enough skin left to show some satiny-type luster to make it an unc. coin.
So...for what I paid, I'm very happy.
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
I have no slabbed details coins... but I have coins raw that were acquired over the years that would get details if submitted. Some were just given to me, and one or two picked up at shows from junk bins. I like them, they stay in the collection. Cheers, RickO
I have bought several raw coins that graded details with issues. Some were cracked out and resubmitted and ended up in straight graded holders. I have bought coins in details holders that later straight graded. I buy the coin if I like it and feel that it may be mis-graded, because I know there's a good chance that the TPG will have a different opinion the next time they see the coin. Here's one that I feel is mis-graded and will resubmit at a later date. Unc. details/cleaned and one of my favorites.
The only coins I have that are "PCGS Genuine" Details, are coins that I submitted myself and they came back that way. I have never purchased one that I recall.
Best regards, Dwayne F. Sessom Ebay ID: V-Nickel-Coins
Not often, but it depends on the issue, and for me only if it's AU or better. Type sets are a good place for them. So depending on where or how deep the scratch is or how harsh the cleaning was, the purpose of my type set is to promote the details of the type.
Case in point, this Bust half has great high end details but was cleaned. Tolerable by my standards.
$150 bucks plus postage as opposed to 3 or 4 times that much straight graded.
My 2¢....................................
I would rather join with an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by sheep.
Finding a nice early US coin that is straight-graded and not damaged is a bit of a challenge. Looking for a nice F/VF chain cent and haven't seen one for a while. HA is auctioning one now that has bad scratches on the reverse, yet it is graded. Some half dismes out there that would never get a straight grade if details criteria were consistently applied. Another reason I'm forgiving on some of the very early coins. The services do it given sufficient rarity and age - why should we be any different?
Yup. Sometimes that's all there is. This 1876-S DDO was cherry-picked raw, came back "Cleaned". Still, it looks great compared to the other problem ones out there. At last count, there are only three known straight graded ones (including a chopmarked one) out of a total pop of about a dozen, so I am real happy with mine.
If the price is right... yes. Here's one in our host's slab (Details - Cleaning) that I picked up at a Stacks auction just above bullion price (BP included) some years ago. If I put it up on BST today for anything near melt how long would it last? In today's gold market I would come close to doubling my investment.
In general, no details coins in my collection. Exceptions:
1) a few older date Carson City Seated Liberty or Trade dollars in my Carson City Silver Dollar collection. Affordability was a primary factor, but the details coins in this set are ones that appealed to me in some way. (see images)
2) I had my great-uncle's IHC full set slabbed in memoriam. Some had some corrosion, but I didn't care - it was his collection, exactly as is.
3) Some early collecting year learning lessons, which I have moved along (with full disclosure of the issues)
Steve Palladino - Ike Group member - DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
Yes. The price I paid was so cheap I couldn’t pass it up. No intention of selling and I could never afford a straight grade in this condition.
Members I have done business with: Silverman68, jfoot13, GAB, ricman, Smittys, scrapman1077, RyGuy, Connecticoin, Meltdown, VikingDude, Peaceman, Patches and more.
I specialize in rare die varieties of silver dollars. It would be idiotic to dismiss coins with problems, especial very early dates. And it is important to note that there are many cases where a details [un]graded coin has less of a problem (like cleaning) than peers in straight-graded holders. That is the reality. If the details are all there and it presents well, it is a worthwhile coin if it is rare. If an ultrarare die variety or die state, it could still be high on the condition census. I don't walk away from those specimens unless the price is way beyond reasonable. A big problem is that certain grading services dismiss them entirely in their census/population report. It puts collectors and dealers in the blind to the real populations of those early American important pieces.
I was following this coin a few nights ago. For people that collect copper, it's one of, if not THE Holy Grail of Redbook varieties for the Middle Dates. It's in a details holder but it's the only way I could ever afford a solid VF example.
Collecting: Dansco 7070; Middle Date Large Cents (VF-AU); Box of 20;
@braddick said:
Only if they're super rare and price prohibitive otherwise.
Here is an example I recently removed from my safety deposit box for viewing:
Since I'm the only one who laughed at your post, I'll ask: To me, this is a well-circulated, common date Franklin half, not even worth the price of getting it graded (even if it weren't cleaned); hence not "super rare and price prohibitive." Am I missing something?
@braddick said:
Only if they're super rare and price prohibitive otherwise.
Here is an example I recently removed from my safety deposit box for viewing:
Since I'm the only one who laughed at your post, I'll ask: To me, this is a well-circulated, common date Franklin half, not even worth the price of getting it graded (even if it weren't cleaned); hence not "super rare and price prohibitive." Am I missing something?
That's the very rare No Bell Line variety.
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@PerryHall said:
There are problem coins in straight graded slabs. The most famous is the 1870-S gold $3 which is unique and is cleaned with obvious graffiti.
True, but now you are getting into "market acceptability". I'm probably or potentially in the minority but consider your example "market acceptable". There isn't another available. Another one is the unique 1898 "Single 9" ZAR pond. It has the first owner's initial's engraved on the obverse (small but noticeable) and is in an NGC MS-63 holder. I don't think it should be "details" graded either. I consider both entirely different from any coins where numerous or many are available, either in similar quality or otherwise.
I almost forgot I have this one too. It's one of my dupes and I bought it for the attribution and to see exactly what a "lightly cleaned" example looked like...
Collecting: Dansco 7070; Middle Date Large Cents (VF-AU); Box of 20;
The $800 to a grand that this would have cost undamaged is a bit much for this college student for the time being. So I bought this one for $120, which I would think is a steal.
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Almost all of my details coins are au or unc key dates, never actively tried to sell any, but got offers for about $$4000 over my buy price for 1800 $10 and high relief $20. So I sold those. I don’t buy harshly cleaned or whizzed, generally if it’s not obviously cleaned, I don’t mind if price is reasonable. I do regret buying a genuine details1889-cc Morgan though
@PerryHall said:
There are problem coins in straight graded slabs. The most famous is the 1870-S gold $3 which is unique and is cleaned with obvious graffiti.
True, but now you are getting into "market acceptability". I'm probably or potentially in the minority but consider your example "market acceptable". There isn't another available. Another one is the unique 1898 "Single 9" ZAR pond. It has the first owner's initial's engraved on the obverse (small but noticeable) and is in an NGC MS-63 holder. I don't think it should be "details" graded either. I consider both entirely different from any coins where numerous or many are available, either in similar quality or otherwise.
So, if a coin has a hole drilled in it, the grading services should ignore it and give it a straight grade if it's the finest known and unique? I disagree. Grading should be consistent within the series and rarity shouldn't be used as a grading factor.
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@PerryHall said:
There are problem coins in straight graded slabs. The most famous is the 1870-S gold $3 which is unique and is cleaned with obvious graffiti.
True, but now you are getting into "market acceptability". I'm probably or potentially in the minority but consider your example "market acceptable". There isn't another available. Another one is the unique 1898 "Single 9" ZAR pond. It has the first owner's initial's engraved on the obverse (small but noticeable) and is in an NGC MS-63 holder. I don't think it should be "details" graded either. I consider both entirely different from any coins where numerous or many are available, either in similar quality or otherwise.
So, if a coin has a hole drilled in it, the grading services should ignore it and give it a straight grade if it's the finest known and unique? I disagree. Grading should be consistent within the series and rarity shouldn't be used as a grading factor.
If it’s very rare, maybe it’s important to know the exact grade instead of a general term.
Type collector, mainly into Seated. -formerly Ownerofawheatiehorde. Good BST transactions with: mirabela, OKCC, MICHAELDIXON, Gerard
@PerryHall said:
There are problem coins in straight graded slabs. The most famous is the 1870-S gold $3 which is unique and is cleaned with obvious graffiti.
True, but now you are getting into "market acceptability". I'm probably or potentially in the minority but consider your example "market acceptable". There isn't another available. Another one is the unique 1898 "Single 9" ZAR pond. It has the first owner's initial's engraved on the obverse (small but noticeable) and is in an NGC MS-63 holder. I don't think it should be "details" graded either. I consider both entirely different from any coins where numerous or many are available, either in similar quality or otherwise.
So, if a coin has a hole drilled in it, the grading services should ignore it and give it a straight grade if it's the finest known and unique? I disagree. Grading should be consistent within the series and rarity shouldn't be used as a grading factor.
If it’s very rare, maybe it’s important to know the exact grade instead of a general term.
Why not "Details AU53 HOLED"?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
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"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
@PerryHall said:
There are problem coins in straight graded slabs. The most famous is the 1870-S gold $3 which is unique and is cleaned with obvious graffiti.
True, but now you are getting into "market acceptability". I'm probably or potentially in the minority but consider your example "market acceptable". There isn't another available. Another one is the unique 1898 "Single 9" ZAR pond. It has the first owner's initial's engraved on the obverse (small but noticeable) and is in an NGC MS-63 holder. I don't think it should be "details" graded either. I consider both entirely different from any coins where numerous or many are available, either in similar quality or otherwise.
So, if a coin has a hole drilled in it, the grading services should ignore it and give it a straight grade if it's the finest known and unique? I disagree. Grading should be consistent within the series and rarity shouldn't be used as a grading factor.
If it’s very rare, maybe it’s important to know the exact grade instead of a general term.
Why not "Details AU53 HOLED"?
That would be the best choice, I don't know why they don't do that.
Type collector, mainly into Seated. -formerly Ownerofawheatiehorde. Good BST transactions with: mirabela, OKCC, MICHAELDIXON, Gerard
I don't have any "details" coins that are certified. I have a couple coins that came back in body bags years ago that would now be in holders under the current policy. This 1911-D quarter eagle came back "improperly cleaned." I think that the cleaned part is to the right of the eagle's tail. There may have been a copper spot there.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
@Tramp said:
I currently own only one but may have others that might not straight grade. The one I do have that's certified details, I bought it raw. Came back from our host as cleaned, I hoped for a straight grade, but it has great eye appeal and very nice details. It's still worth way more than I purchased it for. I didn't want to spend x2 as much for a coin with equal sharpness and details. I took a hell of a gamble, the only thing I lost was a straight grade.
Everyone that holds this Merc 16-D in-hand would like to take it home. It's a feel good moment to see their response and expression holding the coin.
If I were in the market for a 1916-D Mercury Dime, I'd rather have that one than the usual one in AG-03.
Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
One or two that I think could/should be in graded holders.
BTW, I'm sure I own one or two in graded holders that could possibly come back in details holders if cracked and re-submitted. I'm pretty sure most collections are like this.
For common things, I obviously enjoy problem free specimens like all of you.
But when, we are talking rare pieces of exonumia? Sometimes details grade is all that is known. So you take what you get, and you don't get upset.
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
@PerryHall said:
There are problem coins in straight graded slabs. The most famous is the 1870-S gold $3 which is unique and is cleaned with obvious graffiti.
True, but now you are getting into "market acceptability". I'm probably or potentially in the minority but consider your example "market acceptable". There isn't another available. Another one is the unique 1898 "Single 9" ZAR pond. It has the first owner's initial's engraved on the obverse (small but noticeable) and is in an NGC MS-63 holder. I don't think it should be "details" graded either. I consider both entirely different from any coins where numerous or many are available, either in similar quality or otherwise.
So, if a coin has a hole drilled in it, the grading services should ignore it and give it a straight grade if it's the finest known and unique? I disagree. Grading should be consistent within the series and rarity shouldn't be used as a grading factor.
No, that's not my claim. 1870-S $3 gold and my example totally different than the one you just gave.
My claim is that "market acceptable" should be determined by those who primarily buy it. I see this implied standard with early US copper presumably due to EAC and I agree with it.
This as opposed to Morgan dollars which I'd describe as an "investor" dominated series and which can be completed in high quality in one day, excluding arbitrarily narrow criteria. There is a noticeable to huge number of comparable coins, so the criteria for "market acceptable" should be much stricter.
I do not buy, and have never bought details coins.
However, I have an 1801 Half Dollar that I bought for $86. raw back in 1985. I damaged the surface with a rubber band when I had it stored in plastic bag. I submitted the coin to PCGS and it came back Tooled AG03 details. I still have the coin somewhere.
That 1801 is the only certified "details" coin that I own.
I’ve got a couple of cleaned coins that I submitted thinking they were copacetic. Since they fooled me the first time, I keep them around for reference.
I only have a couple, and I have no regrets about this one:
The holder indicates filed rims, but in the past it has also been cleaned and then re-darkened. I needed a 50C GR-1 for my 1839 mint set, but there are only a dozen of them. Decent straight-graded samples now cost a house, and they very rarely appear, so I feel pretty lucky to have my details graded sample.
It depends on what a person collects. Type collectors don't need or want detail coins, generally. Collectors of rare die varieties will always have some coins that won't make it into a graded holder, in some cases they only exist in "details" condition. The collections of numismatic authors Russ Logan, Jules Reiver, and John McCloskey were full of details coins.
I have 10-20, not sure of the number because most are raw and some could make it into a graded holder. Holed, counterstamped, rare varieties, dramatic late die states, or coins I just happen to like.
This half dime recently was auctioned at Stack's. I bid, but came up short. It is the finest quality for the variety, has a cool punched hole from a rectangle nail. Yes, it is unique. I should have bid higher:
Robert Scot: Engraving Liberty - biography of US Mint's first chief engraver
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It's like drinking cheap beer. Why bother?
Actually, I do have one. I bought this coin from a friend of my mother as a favor to my mother. It was nice to spend time with them discussing coins. I cherish the memory.
My hole collection would be details-graded if they were in plastic. A couple of dozen or so are entombed. I still collect avidly and need hundreds more.
Damage? Check
Cleaned? Check
Overdate? ????
1861? not in a slab, but worthy.
I paid straight-grade VG money for this engraved 1799 Bust Dollar. I bought it raw on eBay and I would have paid more. It is my only Details-graded coin, yet it is perhaps the most cherished in my small collection.
Matt Snebold
Depends on how harsh the cleaning or how questionable the toning. And if one can see the possible reasons behind the intentions or unintentional.... If there was something like a scratch or carbon spotting that needed to be covered up or removed. Other factors involve availability and staying within a budget. Another, timing, ending the waiting game.
Bought two varieties of recent, an unc. details 1939 Dbl Mont. and a AU details 1943/2-P.
But the Dbl Mont looks more AU and the over-date looks far more unc, almost PL. And the 1939 has enough skin left to show some satiny-type luster to make it an unc. coin.
So...for what I paid, I'm very happy.
Leo
The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!
My Jefferson Nickel Collection
No although I have when I first started collecting
I have no slabbed details coins... but I have coins raw that were acquired over the years that would get details if submitted. Some were just given to me, and one or two picked up at shows from junk bins. I like them, they stay in the collection. Cheers, RickO
I have bought several raw coins that graded details with issues. Some were cracked out and resubmitted and ended up in straight graded holders. I have bought coins in details holders that later straight graded. I buy the coin if I like it and feel that it may be mis-graded, because I know there's a good chance that the TPG will have a different opinion the next time they see the coin. Here's one that I feel is mis-graded and will resubmit at a later date. Unc. details/cleaned and one of my favorites.
The only coins I have that are "PCGS Genuine" Details, are coins that I submitted myself and they came back that way. I have never purchased one that I recall.
Dwayne F. Sessom
Ebay ID: V-Nickel-Coins
I had some slabbed gold "details" coins and sold them all.
Not often, but it depends on the issue, and for me only if it's AU or better. Type sets are a good place for them. So depending on where or how deep the scratch is or how harsh the cleaning was, the purpose of my type set is to promote the details of the type.
Case in point, this Bust half has great high end details but was cleaned. Tolerable by my standards.
$150 bucks plus postage as opposed to 3 or 4 times that much straight graded.
My 2¢....................................
I would rather join with an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by sheep.
Yes, a 1878 VAM-9 Morgan from the first set of dies in an ANACS holder. Other than that I have not ever bought a graded details coin.
Finding a nice early US coin that is straight-graded and not damaged is a bit of a challenge. Looking for a nice F/VF chain cent and haven't seen one for a while. HA is auctioning one now that has bad scratches on the reverse, yet it is graded. Some half dismes out there that would never get a straight grade if details criteria were consistently applied. Another reason I'm forgiving on some of the very early coins. The services do it given sufficient rarity and age - why should we be any different?
Yup. Sometimes that's all there is. This 1876-S DDO was cherry-picked raw, came back "Cleaned". Still, it looks great compared to the other problem ones out there. At last count, there are only three known straight graded ones (including a chopmarked one) out of a total pop of about a dozen, so I am real happy with mine.
mbogoman
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/classic-issues-colonials-through-1964/zambezi-collection-trade-dollars/7345Asesabi Lutho
If the price is right... yes. Here's one in our host's slab (Details - Cleaning) that I picked up at a Stacks auction just above bullion price (BP included) some years ago. If I put it up on BST today for anything near melt how long would it last? In today's gold market I would come close to doubling my investment.
Mark
In general, no details coins in my collection. Exceptions:
1) a few older date Carson City Seated Liberty or Trade dollars in my Carson City Silver Dollar collection. Affordability was a primary factor, but the details coins in this set are ones that appealed to me in some way. (see images)
2) I had my great-uncle's IHC full set slabbed in memoriam. Some had some corrosion, but I didn't care - it was his collection, exactly as is.
3) Some early collecting year learning lessons, which I have moved along (with full disclosure of the issues)
- Ike Group member
- DIVa (Designated Ike Varieties) Project co-lead and attributor
Yes. The price I paid was so cheap I couldn’t pass it up. No intention of selling and I could never afford a straight grade in this condition.
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I specialize in rare die varieties of silver dollars. It would be idiotic to dismiss coins with problems, especial very early dates. And it is important to note that there are many cases where a details [un]graded coin has less of a problem (like cleaning) than peers in straight-graded holders. That is the reality. If the details are all there and it presents well, it is a worthwhile coin if it is rare. If an ultrarare die variety or die state, it could still be high on the condition census. I don't walk away from those specimens unless the price is way beyond reasonable. A big problem is that certain grading services dismiss them entirely in their census/population report. It puts collectors and dealers in the blind to the real populations of those early American important pieces.
I don't like slabbed details. (unless rare) But I do have a fair amount raw in my collection.
I love love tokens though, a piece of history.
Type collector, mainly into Seated. -formerly Ownerofawheatiehorde. Good BST transactions with: mirabela, OKCC, MICHAELDIXON, Gerard
You mean 1861-D? How about some better pics?
Doggedly collecting coins of the Central American Republic.
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I was following this coin a few nights ago. For people that collect copper, it's one of, if not THE Holy Grail of Redbook varieties for the Middle Dates. It's in a details holder but it's the only way I could ever afford a solid VF example.
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Since I'm the only one who laughed at your post, I'll ask: To me, this is a well-circulated, common date Franklin half, not even worth the price of getting it graded (even if it weren't cleaned); hence not "super rare and price prohibitive." Am I missing something?
That's the very rare No Bell Line variety.
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"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
True, but now you are getting into "market acceptability". I'm probably or potentially in the minority but consider your example "market acceptable". There isn't another available. Another one is the unique 1898 "Single 9" ZAR pond. It has the first owner's initial's engraved on the obverse (small but noticeable) and is in an NGC MS-63 holder. I don't think it should be "details" graded either. I consider both entirely different from any coins where numerous or many are available, either in similar quality or otherwise.
I almost forgot I have this one too. It's one of my dupes and I bought it for the attribution and to see exactly what a "lightly cleaned" example looked like...
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Sure I do.
The $800 to a grand that this would have cost undamaged is a bit much for this college student for the time being. So I bought this one for $120, which I would think is a steal.
"You can't get just one gun." "You can't get just one tattoo." "You can't get just one 1796 Draped Bust Large Cent."
Almost all of my details coins are au or unc key dates, never actively tried to sell any, but got offers for about $$4000 over my buy price for 1800 $10 and high relief $20. So I sold those. I don’t buy harshly cleaned or whizzed, generally if it’s not obviously cleaned, I don’t mind if price is reasonable. I do regret buying a genuine details1889-cc Morgan though
Details coins? No The only exception will be the Constantinou 1 concave cooper coin sister with the gold one represent his first wife..
NEVER ARGUE WITH AN IDIOT.
FIRST THEY WILL DRAG YOU DOWN TO THEIR LEVEL.
THEN, THEY WILL BEAT YOU WITH EXPERIENCE.
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Yes, hundreds of them only they aren't in slabs
So, if a coin has a hole drilled in it, the grading services should ignore it and give it a straight grade if it's the finest known and unique? I disagree. Grading should be consistent within the series and rarity shouldn't be used as a grading factor.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
If it’s very rare, maybe it’s important to know the exact grade instead of a general term.
Type collector, mainly into Seated. -formerly Ownerofawheatiehorde. Good BST transactions with: mirabela, OKCC, MICHAELDIXON, Gerard
Why not "Details AU53 HOLED"?
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
That would be the best choice, I don't know why they don't do that.
Type collector, mainly into Seated. -formerly Ownerofawheatiehorde. Good BST transactions with: mirabela, OKCC, MICHAELDIXON, Gerard
I don't have any "details" coins that are certified. I have a couple coins that came back in body bags years ago that would now be in holders under the current policy. This 1911-D quarter eagle came back "improperly cleaned." I think that the cleaned part is to the right of the eagle's tail. There may have been a copper spot there.
If I were in the market for a 1916-D Mercury Dime, I'd rather have that one than the usual one in AG-03.
One or two that I think could/should be in graded holders.
BTW, I'm sure I own one or two in graded holders that could possibly come back in details holders if cracked and re-submitted. I'm pretty sure most collections are like this.
For common things, I obviously enjoy problem free specimens like all of you.
But when, we are talking rare pieces of exonumia? Sometimes details grade is all that is known. So you take what you get, and you don't get upset.
Dead Cat Waltz Exonumia
"Coin collecting for outcasts..."
This coin rests in an Unc. Details/ altered surfaces slab from Pcgs. I bought it raw and submitted it thinking it was a 66+
No, that's not my claim. 1870-S $3 gold and my example totally different than the one you just gave.
My claim is that "market acceptable" should be determined by those who primarily buy it. I see this implied standard with early US copper presumably due to EAC and I agree with it.
This as opposed to Morgan dollars which I'd describe as an "investor" dominated series and which can be completed in high quality in one day, excluding arbitrarily narrow criteria. There is a noticeable to huge number of comparable coins, so the criteria for "market acceptable" should be much stricter.
I've learned from my mistakes, AU50, details:
I do not buy, and have never bought details coins.
However, I have an 1801 Half Dollar that I bought for $86. raw back in 1985. I damaged the surface with a rubber band when I had it stored in plastic bag. I submitted the coin to PCGS and it came back Tooled AG03 details. I still have the coin somewhere.
That 1801 is the only certified "details" coin that I own.
I’ve got a couple of cleaned coins that I submitted thinking they were copacetic. Since they fooled me the first time, I keep them around for reference.
G4 Details (ex NGC)
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I dabble in raw Lincoln cents when I get the urge to fill a album. None of my PCGS coins are details.
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I liked the strike on this. ANACS AU details
How is that details? The rim ding?
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I only have a couple, and I have no regrets about this one:
The holder indicates filed rims, but in the past it has also been cleaned and then re-darkened. I needed a 50C GR-1 for my 1839 mint set, but there are only a dozen of them. Decent straight-graded samples now cost a house, and they very rarely appear, so I feel pretty lucky to have my details graded sample.
Cleaned
It depends on what a person collects. Type collectors don't need or want detail coins, generally. Collectors of rare die varieties will always have some coins that won't make it into a graded holder, in some cases they only exist in "details" condition. The collections of numismatic authors Russ Logan, Jules Reiver, and John McCloskey were full of details coins.
I have 10-20, not sure of the number because most are raw and some could make it into a graded holder. Holed, counterstamped, rare varieties, dramatic late die states, or coins I just happen to like.
This half dime recently was auctioned at Stack's. I bid, but came up short. It is the finest quality for the variety, has a cool punched hole from a rectangle nail. Yes, it is unique. I should have bid higher: