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gonzergonzer Posts: 2,989 ✭✭✭✭✭

I've been here about 20 years but this situation has me shaking my head. If you disagree with someone's opinion nowadays does that automatically make you a 'hater'? I've noticed the use of that term more frequently here. Keeping it coin related:

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  • oih82w8oih82w8 Posts: 11,889 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 12, 2023 8:04AM

    I have heard that "If we are all thinking alike, then someone is not thinking."

    No, it does not make you a hater, imo.

    Nice coin BTW.

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  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,472 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I take it you are wondering about this 1794 Dollar, which graded as a specimen piece, which has sold for over $10 million.

    It is definitely the sharpest example of the coin. It has the markings a special issue, given its sharpness.

    My questions were, if it was intended to be a presentation piece, why did the people at the first mint pick a planchet that has adjustment marks and a weight increasing plug? Why didn't they find a clean planchet that had no adjustments?

    I can't answer that. I can say that I have never seen a Flowing Hair type dollar that had better detail. It is a remarkable coin.

    Unfortunately, the 1794 dollar is beyond my budget regardless of the grade. I believe that the total census is up to about 150 pieces. This is the best one. There are a couple others in Mint State that are not quite as nice.

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  • NeophyteNumismatistNeophyteNumismatist Posts: 871 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think it's all about the approach. If one disagrees and provides much educational context in a helpful manner, this is welcomed. If the respondent aims to belittle, or put down others without much educational information - it's hating, trolling, or just being a jerk. I have seen both, but I can say that this forum doesn't tolerate much hate before the threads get shut-down and people get bounced. It is not the same ATS.

    Love the coin - even with the adjustment marks.

    I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gonzer... Beautiful coin.... As far as the 'hater' issue goes, it seems that some bristle at honest inputs... True, some inputs are not couched in fluffy, feel good words, but this is a forum for technical evaluation and commentary, not ego stroking. Cheers, RickO

  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,408 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @dsessom said:
    The irony that I see in the young liberal generation is that they vehemently oppose exclusion, and shaming - yet they will "cancel" anyone that does not align with their world views, therefore both excluding and shaming that individual to the most severe degree.

    Apparently, it's a "My way or the highway" mindset. I will take the highway. I have never been one to conform, because I have a mind of my own.

    The real "Haters" are the neophytes who come here for advice or questions.

    If they don't like what you say, they go crazy.

    I say "why did you even come here in the first place?"

    Pete

    "I tell them there's no problems.....only solutions" - John Lennon
  • dsessomdsessom Posts: 2,212 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BuffaloIronTail said:

    @dsessom said:
    The irony that I see in the young liberal generation is that they vehemently oppose exclusion, and shaming - yet they will "cancel" anyone that does not align with their world views, therefore both excluding and shaming that individual to the most severe degree.

    Apparently, it's a "My way or the highway" mindset. I will take the highway. I have never been one to conform, because I have a mind of my own.

    The real "Haters" are the neophytes who come here for advice or questions.

    If they don't like what you say, they go crazy.

    I say "why did you even come here in the first place?"

    Pete

    Most (if not all) newbies have absolutely NO clue as to the caliber of experts that post here. I have been hanging around this joint since 2008 and am still learning. I am very thankful to all the experts here who freely share their knowledge. They make this hobby infinitely more fun and enjoyable.

  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,246 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It seems to be ongoing daily to try to silence anyone disagreeing with some by giving them "names of criteria" which protects their particular agendas. JMO
    Jim


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  • privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,178 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I dislike it when people use the word hate. :D

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  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,242 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If you aren’t listening to both sides of an issue and making your own decision as to which side makes more sense, you are only hurting yourself. Back to coins, learn to grade, and how the business works.

  • CommemDudeCommemDude Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 12, 2023 10:56AM

    We are now a society where anyone who does not agree with your ideas and therefore validate you is the enemy and must be demonized and driven out of the tribe.

    I wonder how the founding fathers would have achieved any compromise if they lived by these principles.
    Coin added to keep it coin related:

    Dr Mikey
    Commems and Early Type
  • MaywoodMaywood Posts: 1,884 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gonzer said: A rare post for me but I'm stumped.

    I would encourage you to participate here more frequently and when you do I hope your choice of topic for discussion is better than this. It doesn't seem like anything good or productive will come from this thread and it is already heading in abad direction. B)

  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,729 ✭✭✭✭✭

    From the Oxford Language dictionary: Forum - a place, meeting, or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.

    This is a numismatic forum, which, I believe encourages the polite and orderly exchange of ideas. It's also a private, and not a public forum. Those who own it get to set the ground rules.

    However, the ability to truly understand that your ideas and beliefs are possibly incorrect is an attribute that not everyone acquires in this life. Mix that with equal helpings of ignorance, attitude, and intolerance, and then the fun begins.

  • CrackoutCrackout Posts: 1,364 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I searched the word "hater" on this forum and got 1,874 hits. These date back 20+ years. And it seems this is a very common word over on the Sports Talk forum :D

  • dsessomdsessom Posts: 2,212 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    You can’t “keep it coin related” when it’s not about coins in the first place. And (let’s be honest) this thread isn’t about coins.

    Indeed. I would like to publicly apologize if my first post on this thread offended anyone. That was not my intent. I consider everyone here my friends, and it was brought to my attention that what I said, should not be said on this forum, and I agree - so my apologies.

  • CommemDudeCommemDude Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There's some dispute about whether the Indian is trying to hold off the white man's advance with his outstretched hand or just pointing the way to the Oregon Trail. Which is ironic when you're talking about tribalism, but in any case the way people are behaving lately even on this forum merits discussion.

    I wanted to share this coin, which I once owned, sold and eventually bought back from TomB, to brighten up your day Mark. Sorry that you took offense.

    Dr Mikey
    Commems and Early Type
  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,011 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 12, 2023 3:29PM

    @dsessom said:

    @MFeld said:

    You can’t “keep it coin related” when it’s not about coins in the first place. And (let’s be honest) this thread isn’t about coins.

    Indeed. I would like to publicly apologize if my first post on this thread offended anyone. That was not my intent. I consider everyone here my friends, and it was brought to my attention that what I said, should not be said on this forum, and I agree - so my apologies.

    Thank you and while I can’t speak for others, I wasn’t offended. Still, like quite a few other threads that we have here, from time to time, this one is off topic.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 12,011 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CommemDude said:
    There's some dispute about whether the Indian is trying to hold off the white man's advance with his outstretched hand or just pointing the way to the Oregon Trail. Which is ironic when you're talking about tribalism, but in any case the way people are behaving lately even on this forum merits discussion.

    I wanted to share this coin, which I once owned, sold and eventually bought back from TomB, to brighten up your day Mark. Sorry that you took offense.

    No offense taken - thanks. And I do like the looks of that coin.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • logger7logger7 Posts: 8,069 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The phrase "malice toward none" is one I'd like to follow. Also I don't care for newfangled language, try to approach life with a totally open mind and wait for the facts or other evidence before knowing what is really going on. Bigotry, and clannish obstinacy and small mindedness should be treated with contempt If anything the internet has made things a lot worse because it is easy to cast stones anonymously.

  • NeophyteNumismatistNeophyteNumismatist Posts: 871 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BuffaloIronTail said:

    @dsessom said:
    The irony that I see in the young liberal generation is that they vehemently oppose exclusion, and shaming - yet they will "cancel" anyone that does not align with their world views, therefore both excluding and shaming that individual to the most severe degree.

    Apparently, it's a "My way or the highway" mindset. I will take the highway. I have never been one to conform, because I have a mind of my own.

    The real "Haters" are the neophytes who come here for advice or questions.

    If they don't like what you say, they go crazy.

    I say "why did you even come here in the first place?"

    Pete

    All Neophytes are bad...just sayin'. :D

    I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.

  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,805 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes.

  • @ricko said:
    @gonzer... Beautiful coin.... As far as the 'hater' issue goes, it seems that some bristle at honest inputs... True, some inputs are not couched in fluffy, feel good words, but this is a forum for technical evaluation and commentary, not ego stroking. Cheers, RickO

    Ricko I liked what you had to say. There is so much truth to it.
    However, there is a difference.
    My comment is not aimed at anyone in particular.
    There is a way to convey a message to someone in a manner that they will listen. Provoking an emotional reaction is easily done through words on a forum. That is if someone is passionate about collecting.
    The truth is the truth. We either accept it or we don't. If we choose the later one will not expand their knowledge base. This isn't boot camp or a bar. It's a coin collecting community where we all want to participate in some way or another. Ignorance is the gateway to learning if one is open to learning and being receptive. That can easily be blocked or sidetracked if someone is unnecessarily being coarse while providing good information.
    I will say that it is seldom seen here on this forum.
    It's a matter of interpretation.
    When I first started collecting I wanted things to be what I thought they were (wishful thinking).
    I have come to the understanding that you need a degree of tolerance to be teachable.
    Simply put treat others like you want to be treated. It doesn't get any simpler than that.
    With all of the knowledge in this community and literally free advice from the upper echelon of the coin collecting community I can only say I am grateful to those who respond to my threads.
    Enough with my long winded philosophy.
    It's a cool place with cool people and I like it!

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