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Kennedy Half Design Changes

JoeLewisJoeLewis Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭✭

The Red Book says, about the Kennedy half, "The design was slightly modified several times between 1971 and the present." Is there any reference material out there that lists or discusses all these slight modifications?

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,140 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Some of them are in the Red Book.

    You can also see them on PCGS in coin facts.

  • IkesTIkesT Posts: 3,346 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 11, 2023 4:42PM

    VarietyVista is a great source of information on design varieties.

    Here is the link for the Kennedy Halves:

    http://varietyvista.com/12 Kennedy Halves/Design Varieties.htm

  • JoeLewisJoeLewis Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭✭

    Thanks. I was only aware of the wide rim in 1971, which I think is the best looking Kennedy design.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks for the link... I am aware of the minor varieties, but have only focused on the AH variety. Russ and I used to compete while searching coin shows in Seattle for that one. I have found a couple at gun shows in the last few years. Cheers, RickO

  • MS66MS66 Posts: 235 ✭✭✭

    One of the big ones for me was in the early 90s when they changed the design of JFK's head, making it smaller and younger looking. At the same time the overall relief was reduced I believe.

    Not sure exactly which year it was (92 or 93?) but there's a thread about it somewhere.. Maybe CoinTalk.

    Also not sure if it was an improvement or not. The lower relief is definitely not an improvement.

  • JoeLewisJoeLewis Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭✭

    @MS66 said:
    One of the big ones for me was in the early 90s when they changed the design of JFK's head, making it smaller and younger looking. At the same time the overall relief was reduced I believe.

    Not sure exactly which year it was (92 or 93?) but there's a thread about it somewhere.. Maybe CoinTalk.

    Also not sure if it was an improvement or not. The lower relief is definitely not an improvement.

    Thanks! This is more of what I was asking for. The redesign in 1971 with a wider rim, and smaller portrait, and the one you just mentioned are more interesting to me.

    The accented hair is very well known, but the other ones mentioned on Variety Vista were minor redesigns that I was not aware of.

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,274 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The mint sold a four piece set in 2014 that reviewed some of these changes. It included a reproduction of the Frank Gasparro's original 1964 artwork. Since I am not huge collector of modern coins, this is far as I'm going to go.

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • MS66MS66 Posts: 235 ✭✭✭

    Well, I didn't find that thread I was looking for. It was what alerted me to the early 1990s bust redesign as well as the [unfortunate] reduction in relief.

    Now that I've taken a gander I have the feeling that the mint was mixing and matching dies during this period. Obviously the proof dies would be different, but still it seems all over the place.

    I'll see if I can link some relevant images:

    Screenshot-20230412-225552-e-Bay

    This 93 (above) clearly has the traditional "fat head" Kennedy. As I think this 94 does:

    Screenshot-20230412-225645-e-Bay

    But what's this?

    image

    image

    And this last one clearly has the new "small head" Kennedy. Once you've seen it, you can't unsee it.

    image

  • JoeLewisJoeLewis Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭✭

    @MS66 said:
    Well, I didn't find that thread I was looking for. It was what alerted me to the early 1990s bust redesign as well as the [unfortunate] reduction in relief.

    Now that I've taken a gander I have the feeling that the mint was mixing and matching dies during this period. Obviously the proof dies would be different, but still it seems all over the place.

    I'll see if I can link some relevant images:

    Screenshot-20230412-225552-e-Bay

    This 93 (above) clearly has the traditional "fat head" Kennedy. As I think this 94 does:

    Screenshot-20230412-225645-e-Bay

    But what's this?

    image

    image

    And this last one clearly has the new "small head" Kennedy. Once you've seen it, you can't unsee it.

    image

    Excellent!

  • MS66MS66 Posts: 235 ✭✭✭

    Um, maybe Large Head and Small Head would be better terminology.

    But why isn't this a recognized variant?
    Seems like a sea change to me.

  • JoeLewisJoeLewis Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭✭

    Not sure. Maybe there’s not enough interest. Vista Variety has some extremely minor design changes, but none of this 🤷‍♂️.

  • MS66MS66 Posts: 235 ✭✭✭
    edited April 12, 2023 7:34PM

    The cheek bones are another dead giveaway. And the hair. As if the shrunken head weren't enough by itself. Now there's a variant name!

    I christen thee: JFK Shrunken Head var!

    ETA, I know the 1998 through 2002ff are this same variant. I presume the more recent ones still are?

  • silviosisilviosi Posts: 458 ✭✭✭

    Was more changes in the Halves par rapport of the Design Varieties. this year I will finish the Quarters before July 1st and the halves for next July 1st. The Observe has less then the Reverse. The observe in general was worked on the design High and also once for the diameter of the Design are was slight reduced in order to move farther from the rim (this was around 1981 and 1983, I didn't confirmed yet the year)

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  • OnastoneOnastone Posts: 4,019 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Minor changes can be searched for but may not even exist.

    Ear Hair variety...look closely around that ear.
    Accented Swollen Lips...use of Botox apparent in later years.
    Slight Smirk of the 90's...almost as apparent as the grimace variety.
    Bushy Eyebrow...subtle changes as the design ages.
    Droopy Earlobe....they never stop growing!
    Chipmunk Cheek...really looks swollen some years.
    Crepe Neck...that crease really looks like a die crack sometimes.

  • Jzyskowski1Jzyskowski1 Posts: 6,650 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 13, 2023 3:40AM

    These were I believe “high relief “. Had some kinda designation

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  • HigashiyamaHigashiyama Posts: 2,198 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 13, 2023 6:35AM

    @MS66: I think all the coins you’ve posted, including the 1993, are variants on the spaghetti hair version, ie, they are not going back to the pre-1991 portrait. As your photos show, there is quite some variation during this era; also, both strike and, on proofs, degree of frost, has a significant impact on appearance. In any case, quite a lot of work to do to try to classify the post 1990 portraits.

    (PS-question-between 1991-2013 inclusive, and for either proofs or circulation strikes, I don’t think the portrait varied within a given year ?)

    Higashiyama
  • HigashiyamaHigashiyama Posts: 2,198 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Jzyskowski1 - the red book uses the term high relief, though I think it is just using the term to distinguish the two versions struck in 2014, one of which is similar to the post 1990 portrait, and the “high relief” which is similar to the original and is still being used.

    Higashiyama
  • JFK_CollectorJFK_Collector Posts: 110 ✭✭✭

    Variety Vista explains the different changes in the design modifications over the years for both the obverse and reverse of the Kennedy half dollar series, just follow the links: http://varietyvista.com/12 Kennedy Halves/Design Varieties.htm

  • Manifest_DestinyManifest_Destiny Posts: 6,900 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Dimes also have a large/small head change. Not sure what year.

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