If a Die Adjustment Strike was done on purpose at the mint, why is it considered an error?
braddick
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I've always been curious about this.
The mint strikes a coin intentionally, yet it is considered an error.
Is the error part that it shouldn't have been released after striking?
Why is a die adjustment strike considered an error?
Thanks!
peacockcoins
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I think you're reading "error" too literally. That said, it's either put it on the error category or create a separate category.
Why are unstruck planchets considered errors?
Agree.
Why are unstruck planchets considered errors?
peacockcoins
Why are experimental rinse Sacagweas considered "error" coins?
They were minted with a purpose.
peacockcoins
I consider the term to be a “die adjustment strike error”
It doesn’t mean necessarily that the Mint was adjusting the dies, it was that the dies were not adjusted properly when this coin was struck.
As to the blanks and planchet question – they’ve always been considered errors because in theory, they weren’t supposed to get out as un-struck blanks or planchets. And they fit in very comfortably as part of an error Collectors type set or example of the minting process.
Because it's either that or create a separate category.
Why are Mint shenanigans considered "errors"? They were done on purpose.
"Error" is not meant literally.
Thanks, Fred!
The voice of reason.
I hadn't logically thought it through, as you stated above before.
What about the SAC, though?
peacockcoins
They're called errors because it allows dealers to charge more...just like die cracks or clashes. None are true errors--the true error coin would actually be the one from that die state that didn't exhibit the "error"
As far as I know, these are the recognized error categories:
Blank – A metal blank intended for coinage but never struck with the dies.
Broadstrike – A coin that was attacked outside of the retaining collar.
Brockage – An error that reflects a mirror image of the design impressed on the opposite side of the same coin.
Clipped Planchet – An incomplete coin missing 10-25% of the metal.
Defective Die – A defective die will cause a coin to show raised metal or have a small rim break.
Lamination – A flaw with a metal fragment peeled off the coin's surface.
Mule – A coin struck with two dies not meant to be used together.
Multiple Strike – A coin with an additional image from being struck again off-center.
Off Center – A coin struck out of collar and incorrectly centered with part of the design missing.
Overstrike – A new coin produced with a previously struck coin used as the planchet.
Wrong Planchet – A coin struck on a planchet designed for another denomination or metal.
peacockcoins
They are not really errors.
I think that the "error" part comes from the fact that they should not have gotten out into circulation.
Pete
The vast majority of blank planchets are noted as errors, but it's interesting that at least two aren't:
There's a good discussion of blank planchets in the grading set thread:
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1067773/pcgs-blank-planchet-grading-set#latest
It's interesting that they weren't noted as errors when they were first discovered and certified by Larry Briggs, owner of SEGS.
https://mikebyers.com/exprinse.html
The error part, on many 'error coins', is that they were released from the mint.... Just as @FredWeinberg stated above.... The term 'error' covers a multitude of issues. Cheers, RickO
C'mon guys, they were meant to be struck, thus an error.
Jim
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Were they? Couldn't they have never been anywhere near the coin press?
The really wild ones that definitely had a helping hand should be labeled "Fantasy Mint Error" or "MM Error" for Midnight Minter" Error.
Blank Planchets are not intended to leave any US Mint facility for circulation and public use. They get in out in error!
If it was dropped on the way to the mint, it was intended to be struck. Now if it were to be a fake planchet then no error.
JMO
Jim
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The Denver and Philly Mints, for years, have released blank planchets (along with a struck cent) as souvenirs to the crowds that take the public tour. I believe the Mint has also issued an educational set which included a blank cent planchet. I couldn’t tell you how many they’ve issued this way. They are not marked in any special way, so once they are taken out of the Mint souvenir packaging, they cannot be distinguished from planchets released through other channels.
As with many things, the "error" is that it escaped the building.
If in fact these were deemed actual die adj. pieces, performed as a test, could they then be labeled test die adj. strikes? Is there a way to determine the 2 differences?
@braddick in your error coin descriptions there are a few mistakes. Example clipped planchets can be less than 10 percent and can be more than 25 percent. This one is a 74 percent curved clip.
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