Maybe I'm just dumb, but when I see proof sets like this, I'd prefer to keep it unslabbed. I have a few proof sets from other countries with similar cases, and I keep the coins in envelopes or flips.
@dunkleosteus430 said:
Maybe I'm just dumb, but when I see proof sets like this, I'd prefer to keep it unslabbed. I have a few proof sets from other countries with similar cases, and I keep the coins in envelopes or flips.
It does come with the original mint holder from the period, so. . .
1- purchase the set.
2- crack out each individual coin.
3- place in the original mint-issued proof holder.
4- WIN!
Would be nice if they included a picture of the holder as well, especially if any bidders are at all tempted to crack the coins and return them to their home for the past 100 years.
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@DeplorableDan said:
Very nice, I just wish they hadn't holdered them with those god awful gold labels.
I agree ... I picked up a couple of the current Bass patterns and the holders/labels are as annoying in person as they appeared to be from the images ...when the light reflects off the slab, the label almost blinds you and to read it with a pair of old eyes like mine, is difficult without all kinds of gyrations of the holder in your hand to get the best angle.
Oh well, still will be a great set to own.
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@seanq said:
Would be nice if they included a picture of the holder as well, especially if any bidders are at all tempted to crack the coins and return them to their home for the past 100 years.
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@Catbert said:
I’d bet the set owner was advised to slab and sticker to maximize auction potential.
I’m sure it’s good for marketing, I just hate all the gold labels in general. Bass, SSCA, these, as another poster mentioned it’s distracting for me: I’d prefer a label that isn’t so “in your face”, just a personal preference.
‘’Auction: 22888 - The John Robert Fletcher 1888 Full US Proof Set Auction
Lot: 1888
(g) NGC PF64-PF66 CAC | United States of America, An Original "Full Proof Set" of 1888 (13), Twenty-Dollars to Gold Dollar (6), Morgan Dollar to Dime (4), Nickel, Three Cent Nickel and Cent, Philadelphia Mint [13], of the highest rarity as a complete original set, the last known intact set in private hands and matched only by the 'mint fresh' sets held by the American Numismatic Society and Smithsonian Museum, our set unconserved and in beautifully honest original state, further accompanied by contemporary custom fitted case (as at time of issue) embossed in gold Gothic script "John Robert Fletcher", latterly incorporated in a Spink and Son custom case to house the soon-to-be-legendary NGC 'Fletcher' holders.
*****AN UNPRECEDENTED OFFERING OF THE GREATEST NUMISMATIC SIGNIFICANCE*****’’
Should be interesting to see how much additional money GC realizes for this great set without the high bidder this time bidding, but the high bidder now being the seller. My guess is GC will perform very impressively with this set.
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@cheezhed said:
So were these crossed? Any upgrades/downgrades?
Considering that, as @wondercoin previously posted, the coins were in NGC holders when sold last September, I think there’s a very strong possibility that they were crossed.😉
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@streeter said:
Was the set sold by Spinks for $670,000 incl auction fees?
The set was auctioned by “Spink” (no “s” after the “k”) and it brought $672,000.
I found these two pictures of the coins in the holder:
Pardon me feld. I forgot the $2,000 and spell check added the S. I'll be more careful in the future.
My apology.
You asked “Was the set sold by Spinks for $670,000 incl auction fees?”
And I answered with specifics (which, based on your above reply, I get the impression you didn’t like).
Feel free to let me know if it would have been better to have simply answered correctly, with “No” or incorrectly, with “Yes”.
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@streeter said:
Was the set sold by Spinks for $670,000 incl auction fees?
The set was auctioned by “Spink” (no “s” after the “k”) and it brought $672,000.
I found these two pictures of the coins in the holder:
These are the pictures I was looking for. reminds me of the King of Siam set, which also had an incredibly cool presentation box.
Sean Reynolds
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Hmm okay well anyway, WOW what a set. @streeter My autocerrect makes me look bad sometimes also so don't feel bad.
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Awesome set, hideous foil labels. Why haven't our hosts figure out that those labels just don't work?
I'm glad this set is being kept together for the sale. A provenance that goes back to the time of issue by the mint is always impressive, but more so when it's on an entire set.
@messydesk said:
Also wondering how the grading process went such that every coin got a green sticker. That seems an atypical amount of agreement between PCGS and CAC.
The PCGS grades look to be identical to the grades NGC had assigned. And while in their NGC holders, each coin had previously been stickered by CAC. So in this case, it’s very easy to understand the amount of agreement between PCGS and CAC. Now, as to the atypical amount of agreement between NGC and CAC when the cons were first graded …
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WOW! That is a phenomenal set. I am sure that will go for a pretty penny.
Stunning!
Just goes to show that there are still incredible numismatic treasures out there!
Very nice, I just wish they hadn't holdered them with those god awful gold labels.
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Thanks for sharing @edwardjulio
Fantastic looking coins!
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Anybody have an extra $500,000 they could loan me?
Just wonderful!
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Wish I could have bought it when it was sold raw (was it?), not that I could afford it. I would have kept it as is. Just stunning.
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Wow is right!
Pretty cool each one received a bean.
Is this a $1 Million set ??
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I’m in if I can hold it for everyone.
Maybe I'm just dumb, but when I see proof sets like this, I'd prefer to keep it unslabbed. I have a few proof sets from other countries with similar cases, and I keep the coins in envelopes or flips.
Young Numismatist
It does come with the original mint holder from the period, so. . .
1- purchase the set.
2- crack out each individual coin.
3- place in the original mint-issued proof holder.
4- WIN!
peacockcoins
I'd be in on that
But I'm not changing my avatar................
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Would be nice if they included a picture of the holder as well, especially if any bidders are at all tempted to crack the coins and return them to their home for the past 100 years.
Sean Reynolds
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I agree ... I picked up a couple of the current Bass patterns and the holders/labels are as annoying in person as they appeared to be from the images ...when the light reflects off the slab, the label almost blinds you and to read it with a pair of old eyes like mine, is difficult without all kinds of gyrations of the holder in your hand to get the best angle.
Oh well, still will be a great set to own.
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I just got outbid. At least I have a placeholder now.
An incredibly beautiful assemblage of coins. Would love to see them in person. Cheers, RickO
I’d bet the set owner was advised to slab and sticker to maximize auction potential.
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I’m sure it’s good for marketing, I just hate all the gold labels in general. Bass, SSCA, these, as another poster mentioned it’s distracting for me: I’d prefer a label that isn’t so “in your face”, just a personal preference.
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From the Spink Auction about 6 months ago….
‘’Auction: 22888 - The John Robert Fletcher 1888 Full US Proof Set Auction
Lot: 1888
(g) NGC PF64-PF66 CAC | United States of America, An Original "Full Proof Set" of 1888 (13), Twenty-Dollars to Gold Dollar (6), Morgan Dollar to Dime (4), Nickel, Three Cent Nickel and Cent, Philadelphia Mint [13], of the highest rarity as a complete original set, the last known intact set in private hands and matched only by the 'mint fresh' sets held by the American Numismatic Society and Smithsonian Museum, our set unconserved and in beautifully honest original state, further accompanied by contemporary custom fitted case (as at time of issue) embossed in gold Gothic script "John Robert Fletcher", latterly incorporated in a Spink and Son custom case to house the soon-to-be-legendary NGC 'Fletcher' holders.
*****AN UNPRECEDENTED OFFERING OF THE GREATEST NUMISMATIC SIGNIFICANCE*****’’
Should be interesting to see how much additional money GC realizes for this great set without the high bidder this time bidding, but the high bidder now being the seller. My guess is GC will perform very impressively with this set.
Wondercoin
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So were these crossed? Any upgrades/downgrades?
What I find interesting is the grades range from PF64 to PF65. There are no 65+ or higher grades!
It emphasizes how difficult PF65+ and higher grades were/are to find, even when bought directly from the mint and stored carefully over time.
The Original 1888 Proof Set
1888 Liberty Head Gold Double Eagle PCGS Proof-64+ CAMEO CAC
1888 Liberty Head Gold Eagle PCGS Proof-64+ CAMEO CAC
1888 Liberty Head Gold Half Eagle PCGS Proof-64 CAMEO CAC
1888 Three-Dollar Gold PCGS Proof-65 CAMEO CAC
1888 Liberty Head Gold Quarter Eagle PCGS Proof-65 CAMEO CAC
1888 Gold Dollar PCGS Proof-64 CAMEO CAC
1888 Morgan Silver Dollar PCGS Proof-65 CAC
1888 Seated Liberty Half Dollar PCGS Proof-65 CAC
1888 Seated Liberty Quarter PCGS Proof-66 CAC
1888 Seated Liberty Dime PCGS PCGS Proof-65 CAC
1888 Liberty Head Nickel PCGS Proof-65 CAC
1888 Three-Cent Nickel PCGS Proof-64 CAC
1888 Indian Head Cent PCGS Proof-65 RB CAC
Considering that, as @wondercoin previously posted, the coins were in NGC holders when sold last September, I think there’s a very strong possibility that they were crossed.😉
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Beautiful coins.
My gut tells me that the final price will not be hurt by the look of the labels. LOL
A once in a lifetime set, simply beautiful.
Was the set sold by Spinks for $670,000 incl auction fees?
The set was auctioned by “Spink” (no “s” after the “k”) and it brought $672,000.
I found these two pictures of the coins in the holder:
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
"While Fletcher was visiting the U.S. Mint in Philadelphia during 1888, he purchased this set for $46."
Holy crap!
Pardon me feld. I forgot the $2,000 and spell check added the S. I'll be more careful in the future.
My apology.
Well, didn't take long to hit my bid limit. Guess I will go back to watching the NCAA tournament.....
Tim
You asked “Was the set sold by Spinks for $670,000 incl auction fees?”
And I answered with specifics (which, based on your above reply, I get the impression you didn’t like).
Feel free to let me know if it would have been better to have simply answered correctly, with “No” or incorrectly, with “Yes”.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
WOW !!! just WOW !!!
Come on streeters, no need for an apology.
peacockcoins
These are the pictures I was looking for. reminds me of the King of Siam set, which also had an incredibly cool presentation box.
Sean Reynolds
"Keep in mind that most of what passes as numismatic information is no more than tested opinion at best, and marketing blather at worst. However, I try to choose my words carefully, since I know that you guys are always watching." - Joe O'Connor
Lol. That's why we have feld around here. To keep us peons humble and sharp. I don't know what I'd do without him.
Hmm okay well anyway, WOW what a set.
@streeter My autocerrect makes me look bad sometimes also so don't feel bad.
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Forget the coins.
I couldn't even afford the box they were housed in.![:( :(](https://forums.collectors.com/resources/emoji/frowning.png)
I would absolutely enjoy setting that on my desk top in the near future.
Awesome set, hideous foil labels. Why haven't our hosts figure out that those labels just don't work?
I'm glad this set is being kept together for the sale. A provenance that goes back to the time of issue by the mint is always impressive, but more so when it's on an entire set.
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Also wondering how the grading process went such that every coin got a green sticker. That seems an atypical amount of agreement between PCGS and CAC.
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The PCGS grades look to be identical to the grades NGC had assigned. And while in their NGC holders, each coin had previously been stickered by CAC. So in this case, it’s very easy to understand the amount of agreement between PCGS and CAC. Now, as to the atypical amount of agreement between NGC and CAC when the cons were first graded …
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
What’s the halo effect around the stars on the twenty? Doesn’t look natural to me.