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Is this X on face graffiti or circulation damage?

CoinHoarderCoinHoarder Posts: 2,459 ✭✭✭✭✭

Graffiti or circulation damage on face?

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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 27,489 ✭✭✭✭✭

    i guess for a g 4 its ok, fwiw ( Id say grafilthy)

  • coastaljerseyguycoastaljerseyguy Posts: 1,243 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Unless that was a micro O, not sure why anyone would pay to slab a details bullion Morgan.

  • oldabeintxoldabeintx Posts: 1,629 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm in the graffiti details camp. OT somewhat, but the services are way too forgiving when it comes to early US coins with serious scratches and graffiti, perhaps the lower circ grades are treated likewise.

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,475 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It’s graffiti in my opinion. The coin is only a Good-4 which means the mark means less, but it does looks intentional.

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 23,934 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Graffiti. It appears to have been done when the coin was in a much less worn state than the present.

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  • mark_dakmark_dak Posts: 1,091 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Crack it out and roll it up with 19 more common Morgans. It'll take up less space in the safe or SDB.

    Mark

  • braddickbraddick Posts: 23,094 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 29, 2023 12:44PM

    The scratches look worse in the Trueview:

    Edited: You must see the large Trueview to see what I mean.

    peacockcoins

  • BarberianBarberian Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't believe it is graffiti based upon the nature of the horizontal scratch. I would expect it to be a straight or curved scratch if it were graffiti, not some wandering scratch like this is. That doesnt change its appearance, though.

    3 rim nicks away from Good
  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,244 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Graffiti.

  • BryceMBryceM Posts: 11,729 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I doubt it was intentionally done, but in my opinion, it doesn't really matter. The scratches are there, and they detract enough from the visual appeal of the coin that I wouldn't want to own it, irrespective of the surrounding plastic or labels.

    It's not like it's going to be a lifetime before you can find a better one.

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,392 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's impossible to know if that's graffiti or random scratches from circulation. Does it really matter? It's still damage to the coin and the coin should have been details graded.

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  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 7,816 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A "details" coin for sure, but why would someone have paid to encapsulate what is essentially a bullion piece... and... get a Trueview? Someone's lucky pocket piece??

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  • CoinHoarderCoinHoarder Posts: 2,459 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I picked it up for $36.50. Just a little bit more than a raw cull. I figured "what the heck", why not? :)

  • CoinHoarderCoinHoarder Posts: 2,459 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It seems to me that I read years ago, that in Vegas they deliberately put Xs on the silver dollar coins. Reason: Discourage hoarding. Does anybody know if that is true or not?

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,392 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CoinHoarder said:
    It seems to me that I read years ago, that in Vegas they deliberately put Xs on the silver dollar coins. Reason: Discourage hoarding. Does anybody know if that is true or not?

    After silver dollars were no longer available from the US Treasury at face value, some casinos would grind the date off their silver dollars to discourage patrons from taking them home. Later, the casinos used silver dollar sized tokens and of course the mint started producing Ike dollars which were primarily for the gambling industry.

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  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 8,290 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @coastaljerseyguy said:
    Unless that was a micro O, not sure why anyone would pay to slab a details bullion Morgan.

    Group submision for an auction house?

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  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,810 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm thinking graffiti.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Those scratches do not look intentional (i.e. graffiti) to me... Just PMD.... That being said, not a coin I would purchase. Cheers, RickO

  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 9,251 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like scratches to me with no intentional design. Still a scratched coin.
    Jim


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  • FrankHFrankH Posts: 773 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'd crack it and add more. >:)

  • No HeadlightsNo Headlights Posts: 2,036 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't believe it will matter to the graders. Details coin unfortunately..

  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 5,962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Belongs in the silver junk coin box. The holder is no help for it.

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  • CoinHoarderCoinHoarder Posts: 2,459 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 4, 2023 9:39AM

    Received the coin yesterday. I was surprised that I could barely see the X with the naked eye.
    I actually like the way it looks!

    Since my LCS has been charging $32. or $33. for raw cull Morgans, I am very happy with the $36.50 delivered that I paid for this certified coin.

    Thank you all for the comments on this coin. Much appreciated! :)


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