Possible Porch Thief??
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lkenefic
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I've been expecting a package and USPS marked it delivered at 1PM... I got home around 630... no package.
I contacted the seller for a little information... package size... I have the tracking number... so I'm not sure what else can be done. File a report with USPS?
First time... this sucks!
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I’m sorry to hear that. I hope you find it. I’ve had packages accidentally delivered to the neighbors house before, maybe you’ll get lucky and it’s something like that.
Mr_Spud
True... I actually got a piece of mail for my neighbor yesterday. That I need to bring over tomorrow... I guess we'll see...
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As Mr. Spud suggests I too have had packages delivered here for a neighbor a street behind me and vice-a-versa. In my case it happens somewhat frequently as my last name is the same as the street behind me. Hope it all works out for you.
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Try to make contact with your delivery person tomorrow and ask them about the package.
If you are not able to be home when your delivery person comes by call or go by your local post office and ask for the manager. They can track by GPS within about 20 feet of where the package was delivered. They may not tell you the location and may have to send a delivery person to retrieve the package. If they can tell it was delivered to another location but are not able to get the package it will make an insurance claim easier.
It takes a thief, think like one, they are looking for quick money, they may not know if what they stole has any real value except to niche collectors, may return it. Ebay stopped printing transaction value on invoices.
Why would they risk being caught returning it?
I had a carrier tell me once that some carriers (along with FedEx and Amazon drivers) are bad to mark packages delivered before they even get to the house or mailbox. I had one recently who put the package in a locker box and then put the key in the wrong mailbox. Luckily, the other person was honest.
Your Letter Carrier should be contacted first. After all, they delivered it. Find out what they say about it.
Pete
Was it an eBay Standard Envelope? If so, those sometimes get marked as delivered in the tracking, but don’t show up until a day or two later. Those tracking numbers usually start with an E.
Yes that could happen. The longer it on porch odds of it being stolen increase.
Is the post office able to provide you with a document saying the package was delivered somewhere else? I never knew this, and it would help with filing insurance claims for items showing “delivered”.
Consult your security camera?
Contact the Post Office... It is possible it went to the wrong house of course. See if your neighbors have security cameras that cover the front of your house... Good luck, Cheers, RickO
Informed Delivery is a joke. I show mail being delivered that isn't. Show packages to be delivered soon and show up before. Lol I would check with your carrier.
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My experience has been that they try to provide you with as little information as possible.
I have had to push them quite hard to even check the GPS.
It helps if you know someone at your post office.
I think they just assume it was porch pirates or want to believe that and want you to believe it too.
A question would then be what would a repentent thief do instead of that? Maybe he goes to a pawn shop looking for a little gas money or for his next fix; or dumps it in a postal mail box.
I hope you find your package and it all works out. Terrible thing if it was stolen.. As a side note, I had a registered package from CAC left on my doorstep a week ago. I called the PO and complained. New driver, bad training was the response..
I have had packages show up after the date it was "delivered" (online) also. So I hope this is the case.
About a month ago I too had a "delivered" tracking notice and no pkg. It showed up the next day as if nothing had happened.
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I have had two packages from the Royal Canadian Mint "lost" in the last two or so weeks. The first had tracking stop at out for delivery, so the mint is sending a replacement. The second supposedly was delivered Monday, March 13 and is not here so another search by USPS is underway. These are some $275 in total, and fortunately the first was nearly $200 of that. Delivery is to a neighborhood cluster box, so cameras are no help. Justice needs to be swift, certain and severe.
If you're getting USPS deliveries to your house, I would suggest always requesting signature confirmation or some other method that requires a signature. That way if you aren't there, they leave a card and you can go to your PO and pick it up.
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Mystery solved... sort of... the package was miss-addressed by the seller and delivered to an address that does not exist by USPS. So, I've been in contact with the seller, and he's making it right. In the meantime, I'm going to follow up with my neighbors to see if they have my package... fingers crossed!
No porch pirates...
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@coinbuf. You live a block over from coinbuf street?
Or throws it in a dumpster. The LAST thing you're going to do is bringing it back where you found it.
Contact your carrier directly ASAP.
I don't understand why delivery folks insist on placing items where they can be seen from the street. I have posts/pillars on my front porch to place things behind yet they leave it in front of the door.
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I .had a package delivered that was ripped up and put in the USPS package no contents. They said it was delivered by tracking and there was nothing USPS could do. First and only time it happened to me
I mentioned this in the other thread that ebay sellers put a random address that isn’t mine (or even close to it) on the packages, and there seemed to be disbelief. I have this happen quite frequently, so I know what you’re going through. Sometimes it’s easier to fix than others.
They wont return, it will end up in a DUMPSTER somwhere before it would find its way back to their mailbox, unfortunately
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Request a signature….next time.
Same thing here. I just delete the emails anymore.
Still is. You were claiming it happened after it was stolen. Makes no sense.
Scroll up. No theft. No problem.
Thieves are the scum of the earth. I feel your pain and I’m very sorry to ready this. I hope somehow it is recovered.
I agree. It's still pretty neat to sign up for it and check every day. It's not 100%, but that's OK with me.
Pete
My signature is required on all received USPS, Fedex, UPS packages containing coins. If that package looks funky ( as in, appearing to have been opened prior to delivery attempt) to me when the delivery person shows up with it, I will refuse it.
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OK... final resolution to this comedy of errors...
The seller mis-typed a number in my address that resulted in an address that does not exist. However, the erroneous address was accepted by the vendor he uses. The postal carrier tried to figure it out since Google Maps would only give an approximate location so he thought that two numbers had been transposed so he delivered it across the street. In the meantime, I went to my local PO Saturday morning and they were able to contact the carrier directly to alert him of the situation. Since it involved going into someone else's mailbox, they advised me to let the carrier take care of it... which I did. I actually got the chance to speak to my carrier directly when he was delivering my mail... so... he was able to retrieve the package and bring it to me. Unopened with contents intact... I then let the seller know, and life is grand!
Bottom line... check and recheck the address since some mail delivery services seemingly accept any address, even ones that don't exist!
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This is one situation where having informed delivery would have helped. The package would have never shown up on the pending delivery list because of the wrong address. If a tracking number doesn't automatically show, then the address is probably wrong.
I’m glad this one had a happy ending 🌞
Mr_Spud
I’m a bit confused on why you’re confused? Sellers put a wrong/phony address with your correct zip code to show proper delivery. All ebay/PayPal requires is tracking showing delivery to your zip code. They have no clue if it made it to your exact address or not.
So an ebay seller can mail a box of rocks to an address 5 blocks away (still within your zip code) and attempt to get away with it.
Nobody else has dealt with this fiasco? Really?
I have had packages shown as being delivered, but not actually delivered. Luckily, it showed up the next day.
In the last week, I had a package delivered with signature required - they just put it in my mailbox, I never signed for it.
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They. DO know the exact delivery address.
There's no point to it. And again, that last thread said they were changing the labels after stealing them from the mail stream. THAT makes zero sense. The PO would know you did it.
As for an ebay seller running a scam, they would be better off shipping an empty box to the right address.
You simply can't get away with anything as you lay it out. The post office photographs the labels, so they'll know they were misadressed. They also use GPS to locate delivery, so they would know where they were delivered. The seller is responsible and will be held responsible by eBay. At most, you could pull this once as a form of insurance fraud assuming the post office would pay for your mistake. But shipping an empty box would accomplish the same thing.
Several things to unpack in this statement. My scenarios have nothing to do with filing an insurance claim against the post office, just want to make that clear. Also, I have not had the experience of a mailing label tracking number get switched on my package, yet.
How do I obtain the photo the post office takes of a mailing label on a package? If I can get that picture, it would save me many headaches with trying to handle the claims with the scammers. Informed delivery doesn’t provide those photos.
How do I obtain a document showing a gps delivery of the package was delivered to another address? If I can get that document, it will serve proof for an item not delivered case.
People talk about these safeguards in delivering the merchandise, but I’ve yet to see physical evidence of them to help out in fraud cases.
You’ve got to keep in mind that what ebay scam sellers do is wait for the PayPal payment to be deposited into their bank account before they ship the item. They drain the account, ship an empty box to either the correct or incorrect address (correct zip code), and ebay has no recourse from that account. Ebay has to eat the loss if the refund is made. Seller opens another account and does the process again. It’s quite simple and effective.
@lkenefic ... Glad to hear there was a successful resolution to the problem. Cheers, RickO
If you go to your PO you can get the GPS location that it was scanned as delivered and go hunt it down yourself.
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My PO recommended against doing this and to let the carrier handle it. If I were to get "challenged" rooting around on someone else's porch or mailbox, it might not end well... better to let the carrier do that. This IS Baltimore...
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Ebay tracking can show as delivered and still be in transit. Had this happen to me twice. The coin showed up the next day (after showing as "delivered").
I don't know what they do or don't release, but I have seen the pictures when they were helping me to locate a package. The automatic sort machines photograph the label when it scans it.
There are numerous threads here about people requesting the GPS check on a missing package to see if it had been misdelivered.
Yes, you can ship an empty box. As I said. There is no advantage to shipping to the wrong address instead. And, again, the other thread with your msilman conversation indicated changing the label after theft and throwing the package back in the mail stream. There is no point in doing that.
And as you describe it here, there's no point in even doing an empty box. If you're running a straight scam, save the postage. Shipping an empty package or a package to the wrong address doesn't in any way cover up the crime. The seller is still liable. And if you are just pocketing the money and running, there is simply no advantage in doing it.
Abandoning an eBay and bank account and opening new ones repeatedly doesn't sound all that simple. How many different banks do you have access to? Eventually, one of them is going to want to know why you keep opening new accounts (especially if eBay has tried to recover money from one of them) and eBay will certainly be monitoring for somebody opening a new account who has already cheated them through another one.
I happy to read you were made whole.
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