Bust quarter surfaces
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What's your thoughts on the originality of this coins surfaces?
Edited to add if anyone knows the Browning number that would be helpful.
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Might be just the pics but the obverse looks like it has environmental damage, cleaned, retoned. Possible detector find.
It looks like it’s been in a fire to me
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I can see why you would think that but the surfaces are smooth. Not pited or course. It's got a lot of color when moved around in the light.
Can you take a few more pics or video? You said you're using a cellphone, I know it's hard to get good pics.
Sure I can do that. Let me run up to my gun safe and pull the coin out.
Just a few minutes
Here are some images of it lying flat. When this coin is moved in the light it really does explode with color.
It just kind of occurred to me that this looks like tarnish. I mean in the final stage of tarnishing it's black ultimately.
Just something to be considered I suppose. It dies have awesome color when moved.
The “awesome color” looks blatantly artificial.
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All I can say about the quarter is it looks odd, like it has a coating of some foreign substance. It may be the photograph but that's what it looks like. Whatever it is it's not an original surface, as there should be quite a bit of luster in the protected areas for that much detail but there is none visible at all.
As an aside, if your gun safe includes ammunition you may not want to store coins inside. Silver and copper stored with ammunition can discolor fairly rapidly depending on humidity and temperature.
Mun gun safe is for my guns, coins and my wife's property.
My ammunition safe is for my ammunition. This is definitely good information for anyone to know I totally agree.
A lot of thick schmutz on the surfaces, I'd check out auction records or PCGS coin facts for what they should look like.
I was wondering if it was given the @ricko egg yoke treatment and left for too long 😉
The new pics are better but the obverse still has an odd look. Definitely cleaned-retoned. Nice detail though.
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Did anyone ever give you the Browning #? It's a B-1
Looks like it is near terminal, possibly an overdone baked potato job
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Todd - BHNC #242
Artificial or environmental?
Would you settle on "unnatural" or "market unacceptable"?
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I'm going to see a friend today and dip it off. I think it would have more appeal that way. Someone needs to male a decision on this. I own it so it might as well be me.
Would anyone like to see the after images?
It must be your images because I often have a devilishly hard time interpreting the coins you post, but the coin appears to have micro-porosity on the surfaces and I don't think the toning is a positive attribute on this piece. However, your fingers don't appear to have environmental damage on them, so perhaps it is the coin. Regardless, if you dip a nearly two-century old, circulated quarter with a possibly thick coating of something on it then you will end up with any surface issues more likely to "pop", have a coin someone can tell from across the room has been doctored (altered, dipped, artificially whitened...whatever term you choose) and might emerge as stained or spotted and with a tendency for splotchy retoning if not rinsed thoroughly.
I don't know that you need to "fix" issues on the coins you have purchased prior to sale. Just provide good images, an honest description and a fair return policy.
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I for one thank you for posting these questions. I learn from your posts and as a novice who has posted at least a few times here and felt that tinge of embarrassment after hearing expert opinions, don't let it get you down. This is a hobby with a steep learning curve and it is better to ask the questions and learn while enduring the potential embarrassment than to burn your money on repeated bad purchases.
@Watchtower, If I were you I would pick yourself up, and dust yourself off. Theres no need to wallow in self pity and feel embarrassed. You're a novice, and it's ok not to know everything. With the comment above mine being evidence of this, your'e actually helping people every time you post a thread like this. For every 1 contributing member, there may be 10 lurkers and hundreds of others that will read these threads in the future. That is why we're always very candid about the coins posted here. If people congratulated you on buying artificially toned coins, a future reader of the thread might see that and think he should find an example that looks like that.
Very simply put, you do not have enough experience to be buying raw coins on the internet. One of the first recommendations made when you joined was that you stick with certified examples, for now. When you have a better understanding of how to assess a coin from images, then you can spread your wings a little bit and see how you fare. This hobby does have a steep learning curve, but it becomes so much more rewarding if you can be confident in your abilities. You will learn much more by comparing and buying coins that are already graded, and as someone else mentioned, going to a show is a great way to do that. Don't give up.
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Don't throw in the towel bud! I read all of your threads, lots of good info is shared in them by many here.
I got the beatdown by some members a couple times in my threads because i dont know what the heck im doing. Im scattered and buy raw coins and slabbed.
I think you and i joined around the same time and have asked many questions. Helpful to us and to many that just lurk.
Its a long haul learning so much info, gonna take years.
I say stick with it, buy the coins you like and have fun.
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