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Should Date Sets include Type I and Type II coins?
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Examples are Buffalo nickel and Standing Liberty quarter Date Sets.
Should Date Sets include Type I and Type II coins?
This is a public poll: others will see what you voted for.
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Did you know there's a Type 1 and Type 2 for 1917 Mercury Dimes? No one ever talks about them. 1916 was struck in a higher relief and mid-1917 they changed it. The Type of 1916, 1917 Mercs do not have any special scarcity to them so that is why David Lange never pushed for them to be a part of the complete variety registry set over at NGC. They of course are not included in the PCGS registry complete variety set either.
I know this does not really answer your question but collectors can collect what they like and do not always need a registry set to tell them what to collect. I do like the notion of collecting the different types.
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How ever you want to do it. For me a date set is just one type of coin and wouldn’t even include major type changes.
In other words a date set of peace dollars just has the 21 peace.
On the other hand. If I was building a date set of ASEs I’d have to consider both of the recent type changes.
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an album of both would suit me just fine. what ever you like, jmo
I'd say yes where it involves a significant design change, like the 1917 SLQ or the 1913 buffalo nickel, or the 1883 Liberty nickel with and without CENTS. I'm a lot less concerned with something like certain SBA dollars where the difference is a clear or filled S or anything like that. Then again I don't really collect date sets anyway, and people who do should do what they like.
The Mint can (and does) make changes to designs on the fly.
It should not be expected to account for them in sets.
Pete
Your date set, do it as you see fit. If it's for a registry set, then the registry determines that.
Jim
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I voted yes because I am a completist. I like complete sets and when I say complete, I mean every available major variety.
NO, I never know that about 1917 Mercury dimes. I am in this hobby and have collected every series over 65 years and know of most of the main varieties, but never heard of this one until now. Now I have to go to the bank and check which one I have. Some varieties simply aren't promoted. I am glad you brought this up. Can you show us the 2 varieties or link to photos? This is what makes this a great hobby - you learn something new every day. Thanks, Bob
Hi Bob, sorry for the delayed reply. This topic is written about in David Lange's 2005 book on Mercury Dimes. David Lange estimated 1 out of 8 1917-P examples were of the T16 (Type of 1916) where they used the old hubs from 1916. The T17 hubs, introduced early in the year, are of lower relief. For 1917-D about 1 out of 5 are T16. For 1917-S it is about 1 in 10. Pages 81-86 of the book speak to identification etc. In short, neither are rare.
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Each collector can format their collection in any manner that pleases them (and their resources). That being said, my personal preference would be to include type one and two. I do not do sets, and have not since I did the CC Morgan set. If I were to start a set now, I would include everything - if within reason pricewise. Cheers, RickO
You should do whatever you please for YOUR set.
That said, a "date set" sure sounds like a "date set" to me, not a type set, a variety set or anything other than a "date set".
I would have added a third poll option: Date sets need not include both Type 1 and Type 2 coins.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
To me, a "Date Set" is just that... the only change to the coin is the date of mintage.
If you want to represent each type... then do a "Type Set".
Of course, Redbook varieties are a category unto themselves...
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For me, a "date set" would include all coins of that date including major varieties...as opposed to a "year set", which would be something that just has one representative coin of each denomination of that year.
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My original question was addressed to the current Date Set Registry. Currently it does not include Both Type I and Type II coins.
I hadn't thought of your concept. I have trouble distinguishing between the your concept of year and date. Based on your thought, a 1917 or 1918 "date or year" set could include the 1918/7 - D Buffalo nickel. Fun idea.
To me, a "date set" means one of each date for a particular type of coin, while a "year set" means one of each denomination for a particular year.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Any set should contain precisely the coins the owner of that "set" wants it to include.
This is supposed to be fun; it's not supposed to be taking orders.
Date sets are date sets. So I would vote no.
Dave
I like how they do it ATS.....You have your choice of either a 1916 T1 or a 1917 T1 and then a 1917 T2.
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To me, a date set is one per date. Occasionally, a series will have a variety that becomes the standard to a date set (ex. 1913 Buffalo T1 and T2). However, your set - your rules. Have at it the way you want it, and if you change your mind later - that's fine too!
I am a newer collector (started April 2020), and I primarily focus on U.S. Half Cents and Type Coins. Early copper is my favorite.
I have heard that interpretation and don't disagree with it in the context you give-but my remarks spoke to a given year, not a whole series.
RIP Mom- 1932-2012
I would say no. A date set that covers a major design does not need it.
A 1909 Indian Cent would not fit in a set of Lincoln Cents. At the same time, if you are only going for one a year, you don't need the 1909 Plain and the 1909-VDB.
I think so but what do I know?
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Nope. A Date Set is meant to have a single example of each DATE in a series. That's it - no variations at all. It's the most simple set to complete in any series.