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Couple of questions or 3 on a 1970 D Kennedy.

CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 8,872 ✭✭✭✭✭
  1. Do you think this coin would make MS66?
  2. Should I give it a rinse for the mint pack blues or would that make it even worse?

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Thanks in advance just in case :D

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  • bsshog40bsshog40 Posts: 3,914 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 7, 2023 9:09PM

    I don't think it will come close to a 66. Too much scrapes/chatter in Kennedys hair besides the cheek chatter and also looks like cleaning lines on the reverse. I wouldn't be surprised if it wouldn't get a details grade. Jmo

  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 8,872 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @bsshog40 said:
    I don't think it will come close to a 66. Too much scrapes/chatter in Kennedys hair besides the cheek chatter and also looks like cleaning lines on the reverse. I wouldn't be surprised if it wouldn't get a details grade. Jmo

    Not even close, yikes. We’ll that’s why I asked. It’s the best I’ve found so far but not cleaned as I just removed it from the cellophane. New series for me so, much to learn.

  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 8,872 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Those lines appear to be running underneath the stars. That would be a tricky cleaning 😉

  • ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,902 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Not a 66 ;)

  • HigashiyamaHigashiyama Posts: 2,197 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The lines on the reverse look like die polish. If it were a GTG I probably would have said 64-65. I think @cladking can offer advice regarding a rinse.

    Higashiyama
  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 8,872 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 7, 2023 10:02PM

    Thanks for the input guys so, is it the damage more than the strike here?
    Or just not enough or too much of the other?

  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 8,872 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Trying to give a technical evaluation/ starting point for the grade according to wear? And then count down for hits and up for eye appeal? I guess once you can see it you just see it.

    So does that mean that the heavy strike on this 1982 carried it to a 66 even with the deep cuts? Or that this almost flawless 1972 was held back to a 67?


  • ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,902 ✭✭✭✭✭

    There are enough small contact marks on the cheek and shield to keep it from a 66.
    I would guess a 65 or maybe a 64 on a bad day.

  • 1madman1madman Posts: 1,515 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Coin has stains/milk spots on it. It should grade 64, if the spots come off, possibly 65. Not something I’d throw good money at.

  • JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Still nice! I like it at 65.

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like a 64 or 65 to me.... Probably 64. Cheers, RickO

  • bsshog40bsshog40 Posts: 3,914 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Coinscratch said:

    @bsshog40 said:
    I don't think it will come close to a 66. Too much scrapes/chatter in Kennedys hair besides the cheek chatter and also looks like cleaning lines on the reverse. I wouldn't be surprised if it wouldn't get a details grade. Jmo

    Not even close, yikes. We’ll that’s why I asked. It’s the best I’ve found so far but not cleaned as I just removed it from the cellophane. New series for me so, much to learn.

    Didn't know it was still in cello. That can account for the lines I'm seeing. I will retract my Details guess and say 64. Lol

  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,701 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Higashiyama said:
    The lines on the reverse look like die polish. If it were a GTG I probably would have said 64-65. I think @cladking can offer advice regarding a rinse.

    It does need a good soak in acetone. The luster should be improved markedly.

    I like the coin. I don't see it as a 66 but it looks like a fairly solid MS-65 under the hazing.

    These are a little tough even in 65. I'd estimate this one would be in the top 3 or 4% of all the '70-D's made. Of course I'm still assuming there's more luster under the haze.

    Tempus fugit.
  • TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,802 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well, the fields look 66. even with the staining, but the cheek does not look 66 and whatever is going on in the middle of the hair does not look 66. So, I'm thinking it's a 5. I admit that I have very little experience with grading these moderns, but I am considering buying several of them (70-Ds) and sending in under an economy submission.

    Tom

  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 8,872 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll try the acetone soak and find an album for it most likely. I don't remember getting good results from the last soaking and then became impatient and then dipped in silver cleaner (only 5 seconds) but the result was a very very clean dipped looking coin that lost at least a grade point.

    I think if the responses were in favor of grading I would then just use the conservation service so I would not screw it up.

  • WAYNEASWAYNEAS Posts: 6,861 ✭✭✭✭✭

    From your pictures, I would say at best it would grade out as a ms65.
    I would not spend the money to have it graded but it is your coin and what to do with it is up to you.
    There are many ms65’s on the bay for short money as compared to an ms66.
    Wayne

    Kennedys are my quest...

  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 8,872 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @WAYNEAS said:
    From your pictures, I would say at best it would grade out as a ms65.
    I would not spend the money to have it graded but it is your coin and what to do with it is up to you.
    There are many ms65’s on the bay for short money as compared to an ms66.
    Wayne

    Thanks for piling on - just kidding but you're my Kennedy guy.
    I can't promise you I won't have it graded but I'll try not to :D

  • WAYNEASWAYNEAS Posts: 6,861 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Coinscratch said:

    @WAYNEAS said:
    From your pictures, I would say at best it would grade out as a ms65.
    I would not spend the money to have it graded but it is your coin and what to do with it is up to you.
    There are many ms65’s on the bay for short money as compared to an ms66.
    Wayne

    Thanks for piling on - just kidding but you're my Kennedy guy.
    I can't promise you I won't have it graded but I'll try not to :D

    If you do have it graded, please let us know the final outcome.
    Wayne

    Kennedys are my quest...

  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 8,872 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Soaking didn't do much on the original coin.

    I did give this one a soaking and it looks better. Do you think it has a shot at 66? Luster is pretty good but the hits in the left field...


  • cmerlo1cmerlo1 Posts: 7,922 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The second one is 65 all day, IMO, maybe shot at 66 if the chatter in the field in front of the portrait doesn't hold it back. Nice pics as well.

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  • 7Jaguars7Jaguars Posts: 7,560 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I will later picture two 1970 D halves got in the wild. I thought them 66 for sure but both came back 65 from our hosts...They were both lustre bombs in hand with possibly less contact than the OP coin. I will try to photo with cell phone tomorrow; the second in hand looks really excellent but they look to be tough on grading IMHO.

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  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 8,872 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yeah well I can already tell you they’re tough on grading :) At some point it’s just gonna come down to whether you like the coin or not regardless of the grade. For the record I’d still like to have the 66.

  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 8,872 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cmerlo1 said:
    The second one is 65 all day, IMO, maybe shot at 66 if the chatter in the field in front of the portrait doesn't hold it back. Nice pics as well.

    Thank you, it’s a work in progress.

  • JFK_CollectorJFK_Collector Posts: 110 ✭✭✭

    When the newest batch of 1970-Ds of Kennedy halves that PCGS graded MS67, a lot of them looked worse than the one you photographed. Sometimes you just have to roll the dice and see what happens.

  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 8,872 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Found two more decent ones in my own stash they were both tarnished so much you couldn’t see they had something to hide. Here’s the second one.



  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 8,872 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The other other that might come back PL.


  • CoinscratchCoinscratch Posts: 8,872 ✭✭✭✭✭

    And it may better come Tuesday with ten more sets arriving and this sellers pic.

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