Morgan dollar massive lamination error

[Deleted User]

Will PCGS or NGC straight grade this coin?
Or am I better off sending it to ANACS?
I bought it on ebay pretty cheap. I personally like the eye appeal. I know it's not everyone's cup of tea but to me its collectible.

ricko

@Watchtower ... Just based on the picture, that looks more like a struck through... Cheers, RickO

JBK

Agree, to me it looks like a struckthru (maybe wood).

As for a straight grade, why would you want that? I'd go for the error designation. (Unless you're worried about the color?).

Namvet69

Yup, VAM it and do the error designation. IMO. Looks like a strike thru wood to me. Good luck.

lkenefic

Agree... struck through was my first impression too. ...and better to get the error designation if you're going to submit... IMHO...

291fifth

Looks cleaned (burnished). I would try selling it raw to an error specialist rather than spending the money on having it slabbed as an error, which is expensive.

[Deleted User]

That's kind of what I mean by straight grade. Instead of details or something. The coin has full luster and it's original.
³I don't buy coins to sell them typically. I am a collector.
I am glad you pointed that out. I didn't want to deviate from what the seller called it but I wasn't sure. It's a very cool error IMO.

ifthevamzarockin

I have been wrong before and I will be wrong again.

It appears to me to be a planchet impurity or carbon streak that caused a delamination.
The coin was heavily dipped to remove the dark carbon streak and will not straight grade by any of the top 3 TPG's.
Here is another example of what I am talking about.

jfriedm56

So here’s another 1921 that has a smaller struck-thru or delamination on the reverse that I carry as a pocket piece

[Deleted User]

I don't know who's right or wrong but if I were to dip this coin it would be white. Right now it has rose toning. I am not arguing any point.
It looks pretty original under a loop.
Whatever caused the error is still on the coin or at least some of it.
Could be it was caked on and fell away because I can see it in there.
You can also see some of it in the U but it is under the U and inside of the streak of damage.
I wouldn't even think about dunking it.
The reverse has some interesting die chips on the wreath. A few other things but you would need a loop and the coin in your hand.
A ton of die cracks as usual.
Here are a couple of more images.
This is just for conversation.
I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong. More than anything I appreciate your perspectives and the conversation.
Let's see if these images help.

[Deleted User]

My original image is misleading because I took it without a good light source. It's got cartwheel.
I don't know if we can post videos here....Trying to show the luster.

ifthevamzarockin

Your new photos seem to show more of the carbon color that I mentioned.

lilolme

I am agreeing with ifthevamzarockin on it being an improper planchet - Lamination or alloy mix.
Here is a semi-recent thread with a similar discussion.

https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1087874/gtg-and-whats-special#latest

[Deleted User]

I agree with him 100% except that about it being dipped out. I could also be wrong but it's not dull.

[Deleted User]

Hey for $35 it's neat.
I'll hang on to it for a whole.
It's not about what the coin is "worth" for me. It's really about learning about them.
I have two coins I really enjoy WLH and Morgan's.
Starting to feel something for the Barber series but I'm only willing to go so far.

gumby1234

The large scratches on the cheek and neck would probably get you a details grade. I would keep it raw.