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Morgan dollar massive lamination error

[Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
edited March 7, 2023 5:35AM in U.S. Coin Forum

Will PCGS or NGC straight grade this coin?
Or am I better off sending it to ANACS?
I bought it on ebay pretty cheap. I personally like the eye appeal. I know it's not everyone's cup of tea but to me its collectible.


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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Watchtower ... Just based on the picture, that looks more like a struck through... Cheers, RickO

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    JBKJBK Posts: 15,007 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Agree, to me it looks like a struckthru (maybe wood).

    As for a straight grade, why would you want that? I'd go for the error designation. (Unless you're worried about the color?).

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    Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 8,743 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yup, VAM it and do the error designation. IMO. Looks like a strike thru wood to me. Good luck.

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    lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 7,990 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Agree... struck through was my first impression too. ...and better to get the error designation if you're going to submit... IMHO...

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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,035 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks cleaned (burnished). I would try selling it raw to an error specialist rather than spending the money on having it slabbed as an error, which is expensive.

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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    edited March 7, 2023 10:51AM

    That's kind of what I mean by straight grade. Instead of details or something. The coin has full luster and it's original.
    ³I don't buy coins to sell them typically. I am a collector.
    I am glad you pointed that out. I didn't want to deviate from what the seller called it but I wasn't sure. It's a very cool error IMO.

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    ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,498 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have been wrong before and I will be wrong again. ;)

    It appears to me to be a planchet impurity or carbon streak that caused a delamination.
    The coin was heavily dipped to remove the dark carbon streak and will not straight grade by any of the top 3 TPG's.
    Here is another example of what I am talking about.

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    jfriedm56jfriedm56 Posts: 919 ✭✭✭✭✭

    So here’s another 1921 that has a smaller struck-thru or delamination on the reverse that I carry as a pocket piece

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    I don't know who's right or wrong but if I were to dip this coin it would be white. Right now it has rose toning. I am not arguing any point.
    It looks pretty original under a loop.
    Whatever caused the error is still on the coin or at least some of it.
    Could be it was caked on and fell away because I can see it in there.
    You can also see some of it in the U but it is under the U and inside of the streak of damage.
    I wouldn't even think about dunking it.
    The reverse has some interesting die chips on the wreath. A few other things but you would need a loop and the coin in your hand.
    A ton of die cracks as usual.
    Here are a couple of more images.
    This is just for conversation.
    I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong. More than anything I appreciate your perspectives and the conversation.
    Let's see if these images help.

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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    edited March 7, 2023 2:16PM

    My original image is misleading because I took it without a good light source. It's got cartwheel.
    I don't know if we can post videos here....Trying to show the luster.

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    ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,498 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Your new photos seem to show more of the carbon color that I mentioned. ;)

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    lilolmelilolme Posts: 2,517 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am agreeing with ifthevamzarockin on it being an improper planchet - Lamination or alloy mix.
    Here is a semi-recent thread with a similar discussion.


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    I agree with him 100% except that about it being dipped out. I could also be wrong but it's not dull.

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    Hey for $35 it's neat.
    I'll hang on to it for a whole.
    It's not about what the coin is "worth" for me. It's really about learning about them.
    I have two coins I really enjoy WLH and Morgan's.
    Starting to feel something for the Barber series but I'm only willing to go so far.

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,459 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The large scratches on the cheek and neck would probably get you a details grade. I would keep it raw.

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