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ironmanl63ironmanl63 Posts: 1,972 ✭✭✭✭✭

Next coin in the new game.

Here we have a 1863 Indian Cent graded PR63 in a Rattler sporting a green CAC and a Photo Seal. Your thoughts on the coin and grade.


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    FullHornFullHorn Posts: 1,129 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 1, 2023 1:44PM

    looks nice, maybe even a 64

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    JW77JW77 Posts: 464 ✭✭✭✭✭

    3 marks on cheek might hold it back, but decent chance at a 64. Very nice

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    marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,231 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Well graded, I really would not mess with it, besides the old holder and both seals to boot.

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    Dave99BDave99B Posts: 8,411 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would have guessed PR64. Neat IHC.


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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,459 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Super nice 63. I would keep it as is.

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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 27,704 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I kinda like it as is, jmo

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    JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice PR63!

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    1madman1madman Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hits on the cheek and black carbon spots on both sides. Is the area in front of the Indian’s face darker toned and uneven than the rest of the obverse? Can’t tell from the angle of the pictures.

    63, and I’d pass

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    FlyingAlFlyingAl Posts: 3,027 ✭✭✭✭✭

    On sheer eye appeal alone, it looks much nicer than your average 63. However, I have no idea if the coin is graded correctly without seeing it in hand, given that proofs are impossible to grade from photos.

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    pursuitoflibertypursuitofliberty Posts: 6,661 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Spot on! Nice looking Proof 63

    More technically, it might be closer to a 63.54127 ;)

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    TrampTramp Posts: 682 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 1, 2023 5:23PM

    Nice looking IHC! The small and discreet tick marks are the only thing I can see that would be any concern. Usually things like this on the high spots would hold the coin back from being an 64 in other denominations so IMO it is correct and plus you have the two stickers to boot Keeper but what do I know.

    If you are in a registry, either keep (because it is so nice) or sell and buy another that is already graded PR64 or higher. Probably could sell this one at a premium, due to the stickers, and have enough for a 64 or higher.

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    ironmanl63ironmanl63 Posts: 1,972 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like the coin and am keeping it the way it is. I like to hear posters opinions on my coins. It really makes me look at things I miss. Everyone evaluates coins differently and hearing those opinions is very educational to me. Sometimes the opinions are so varying it is mind boggling. I will continue to post coins from my collection in this format. I am not looking for anything but opinions. Most everything I post will be kept exactly the way it is.

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    Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 7,773 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 1, 2023 5:26PM

    Correct - Definitely a PF 63.

    And 2 experts along with PCGS concur.

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    ironmanl63ironmanl63 Posts: 1,972 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @1madman said:
    Hits on the cheek and black carbon spots on both sides. Is the area in front of the Indian’s face darker toned and uneven than the rest of the obverse? Can’t tell from the angle of the pictures.

    63, and I’d pass

    It is slightly darker but I would not call it uneven. In hand I find the coin quite attractive. I have the advantage of being able to look at the coin with a glass and roll it under the light. It is tough to comment from pictures but what you see is what you see. Thanks for your opinion and I appreciate your response.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That looks like a very nice PR63 IHC. Based on the pictures, I agree with the grade... though proof coins cannot be truly evaluated by pictures alone. Given the two stickers though, the other expert sources appear to agree, having seen the coin in hand. Cheers, RickO

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    NickelMikeNickelMike Posts: 190 ✭✭✭

    Pretty coin. I think it’s in the correct holder. Looks ever better with the stickers on the holder.

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    winestevenwinesteven Posts: 4,186 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You have a great coin, in a Rattler, with a CAC sticker, and Rick Snow’s Eagle Eye Photo Seal! Enjoy it! You should be very proud having this in your collection. Whenever the day comes that you (or your heirs) sell this coin, you’ll get top dollar with multiple aggressive bidders!


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    BikergeekBikergeek Posts: 251 ✭✭✭✭

    Put another way to the above comments: I know I'm not gonna contradict John Albanese (CAC) and Rick Snow (Eagle Eye), on top of multiple graders at PCGS. I might have hazarded a guess if I hadn't seen all the plastic first.

    Having said that - I would feel good about the PR63, given the small hits and minor spotting mentioned above. And the EEPS and green bean are icing on the cake. Nice coin, looks like it "faces up" well.

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