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Couple new Indians. Guess and thoughts. Grades Posted.

ironmanl63ironmanl63 Posts: 1,972 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited February 15, 2023 6:17PM in U.S. Coin Forum

2023 has been a little crazy for me. I have been acquiring some cool coins. Here are two, I will post more later.

NGC MS64 CAC


And one the same but different!

PCGS OGH MS64 Photo Sealed.


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  • marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,274 ✭✭✭✭✭

    1 hr + and no takers yet, I need to chime in before you shut down the humor thread in disgust :#

    65RB Like!
    64RB

  • TomBTomB Posts: 21,200 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Those are some nice coins!

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  • dsessomdsessom Posts: 2,317 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The top one has a bit of a weak strike, but very clean fields and devices. It's in an NGC holder, so I agree with @marcmoish - it's likely a 65RB. The second one has a strong strike, but a few minor ticks on the obverse field, and it looks like maybe some machine doubling as well, in a PCGS holder so I also agree 64RB.

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  • crazyhounddogcrazyhounddog Posts: 13,968 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I find them both attractive.
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  • johnny010johnny010 Posts: 1,536 ✭✭✭✭✭

    64
    63

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,964 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 14, 2023 12:40PM

    My grades would be MS-65 on the top one and MS-64 on the bottom one.

    The piece at the top is really exceptional so far as preservation goes.

    NGC graded this one MS-64.

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  • jfriedm56jfriedm56 Posts: 1,225 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 16, 2023 6:36AM

    @ironmanl63 , first one 65. Second one 66 but is a J-228 pattern with shield?

  • Mr_SpudMr_Spud Posts: 5,315 ✭✭✭✭✭

    66, 65 was my first impression

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  • ironmanl63ironmanl63 Posts: 1,972 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Anyone notice anything else about the 2 coins?

  • maymay Posts: 1,585 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ironmanl63 said:
    Anyone notice anything else about the 2 coins?

    Shield rev. for 1859?

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  • ironmanl63ironmanl63 Posts: 1,972 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TomB said:
    Those are some nice coins!

    Thanks Tom. Your opinion means a lot.

    @BillJones said:
    My grades would be MS-65 on the top one and MS-64 on the bottom one.

    The piece at the top is really exceptional so far as preservation goes.

    NGC graded this one MS-64.

    Thanks Bill. Even Blown up like a dinner plate it is hard to find the slightest mark.

    @marcmoish said:
    1 hr + and no takers yet, I need to chime in before you shut down the humor thread in disgust :#

    65RB Like!
    64RB

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  • ironmanl63ironmanl63 Posts: 1,972 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Ownerofawheatiehorde said:

    @ironmanl63 said:
    Anyone notice anything else about the 2 coins?

    Shield rev. for 1859?

    Yes the second coin is a J-228. Which is now part of the Indian Cent Set according to Red Book.

  • ironmanl63ironmanl63 Posts: 1,972 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 14, 2023 1:48PM

    @dsessom said:
    The top one has a bit of a weak strike, but very clean fields and devices. It's in an NGC holder, so I agree with @marcmoish - it's likely a 65RB. The second one has a strong strike, but a few minor ticks on the obverse field, and it looks like maybe some machine doubling as well, in a PCGS holder so I also agree 64RB.

    There is a chance that the planchet is slightly thinner on the left (united) side. The weakness shows slightly on the front and the reverse. The Indian is hammered.

  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,964 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ironmanl63 said:

    @Ownerofawheatiehorde said:

    @ironmanl63 said:
    Anyone notice anything else about the 2 coins?

    Shield rev. for 1859?

    Yes the second coin is a J-228. Which is now part of the Indian Cent Set according to Red Book.

    The mintage on that pattern was high for a pattern, but it has no business becoming a part of the Indian Cent set. I would say that dealer greed is pushing that one.

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  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 11,289 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice! I like the top coin overall better and think that MS66 is possible. The shield rev is cool but a bit busier and I'm going MS64 for it.

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  • Riley1955Riley1955 Posts: 136 ✭✭✭

    Nice looking coins. Not a grader yet.

  • IndianlincolnIndianlincoln Posts: 91 ✭✭✭

    65
    64

  • IndianlincolnIndianlincoln Posts: 91 ✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf

  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,584 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I was thinking maybe a slightly tapered planchet on coin 1. I don't know if that affects the grade but I will say its in a 64 holder.
    coin 2 I think 63 because of the marks on the obv.

    Both nice coins
    I am wondering how a pattern can be considered part of the regular set. Seems odd

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  • IndianlincolnIndianlincoln Posts: 91 ✭✭✭

    @gumby1234 said:
    I was thinking maybe a slightly tapered planchet on coin 1. I don't know if that affects the grade but I will say its in a 64 holder.
    coin 2 I think 63 because of the marks on the obv.

    Both nice coins
    I am wondering how a pattern can be considered part of the regular set. Seems odd


  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,183 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Excellent coins! Both MS65

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  • 1madman1madman Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭✭✭

    63, 63

  • ironmanl63ironmanl63 Posts: 1,972 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gumby1234 said:
    I was thinking maybe a slightly tapered planchet on coin 1. I don't know if that affects the grade but I will say its in a 64 holder.
    coin 2 I think 63 because of the marks on the obv.

    Both nice coins
    I am wondering how a pattern can be considered part of the regular set. Seems odd

    Would the denticles be lighter if it is a tapered planchet. Kinda strange.

    I'm not sure but the Red Book considers it part of the set. There were 1,000 minted. Better huuuury and get one before they are all gone. B) LOL.

  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,584 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The denticles would be lighter.

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  • jmski52jmski52 Posts: 22,824 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I really like the top coin especially.

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  • OldIndianNutKaseOldIndianNutKase Posts: 2,700 ✭✭✭✭✭

    66,64.

  • privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭✭✭

    66
    64+

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  • Eric_BabulaEric_Babula Posts: 413 ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 14, 2023 9:27PM

    I'm going with 66, 63. Hits on obv in second one bring it down for me. But, both are spectacular, and i'm not even much of an IHC guy! Maybe I'll have to change that! Nice purchases!

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 15, 2023 6:01AM

    @ironmanl63... Looks like 65 and 64 to me... Where are you finding these really nice IHC's??? Cheers, RickO

  • ironmanl63ironmanl63 Posts: 1,972 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ricko said:
    @ironmanl63... Looks like 65 and 64 to me... Where are you finding these really nice IHC's??? Cheers, RickO

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  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,584 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Can we get the reveal please?

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  • TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,789 ✭✭✭✭✭

    66
    65....maybe 64

    Tom

  • ironmanl63ironmanl63 Posts: 1,972 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sorry for the long wait. I got busy on the honey do list.

    They are both graded MS64. The NGC coin has a green Bean. I will probably have it crossed eventually. Maybe to CAC not sure yet.

    The J-228 is in an OGH and is Photo Sealed. It looks much nicer in hand. the marks are not as prevalent as when blown up like that. Great color.

    Thanks for the comments and guesses.

  • gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,584 ✭✭✭✭✭

    i was close. They are both very nice.

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