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alaura22alaura22 Posts: 2,662 ✭✭✭✭✭

Can a PCGS graded MS-RD Lincoln cent have toning?
Doesn't matter the year,mintmark, or grade.
A simple yes or no

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    AotearoaAotearoa Posts: 1,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes

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    winestevenwinesteven Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Hey @alaura22 , nice to see you back! We’ve missed you!

    Steve

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,432 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Slabbed copper coins with the RD designation can tone within the slab. That's why the slabbing service do not guarantee the color designation on their slabs.

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    winestevenwinesteven Posts: 4,062 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:
    Slabbed copper coins with the RD designation can tone within the slab. That's why the slabbing service do not guarantee the color designation on their slabs.

    Perhaps what he MAY be asking is, “If you submit for grading a coin that might otherwise qualify for a RD designation, but has toning, does that automatically knock it out from getting a RD designation?

    Steve

    A day without fine wine and working on your coin collection is like a day without sunshine!!!

    My collecting “Pride & Joy” is my PCGS Registry Dansco 7070 Set:
    https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/type-sets/design-type-sets/complete-dansco-7070-modified-type-set-1796-date/publishedset/213996
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    TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 14, 2023 7:32AM

    yes.

    I'm not sure this addresses your question exactly, but this is in a 64+ red holder, and I consider this piece to have toning of a sort.

    Tom

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,432 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TPRC That cent may have been much redder at the time it was slabbed and has "mellowed" since then.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The designation RD is not defined with specific parameters. It is a graders evaluation/perspective when viewing the coin. Many RD cents have a slight tarnish.... After slabbing for a long period, they may have 'mellowed' to RB... or even BN... As stated above, the label for that parameter is not guaranteed. Tarnish is progressive, as long and the contributing factors continue to be present. Cheers, RickO

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    TPRCTPRC Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 14, 2023 8:38AM

    @PerryHall said:
    @TPRC That cent may have been much redder at the time it was slabbed and has "mellowed" since then.

    Nope. That is how I purchased it, raw, in February 2020, and as a RB. It came in a stand-alone capital plastics holder. It is fully original, and I suspect it got a bump for that.

    Tom

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    AotearoaAotearoa Posts: 1,370 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A lot of failure to follow directions here.

    Smitten with DBLCs.

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    alaura22alaura22 Posts: 2,662 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 14, 2023 1:26PM

    Thanks for all the responses, but I'm still unsure.
    I'm looking at a few Lincoln cents that are graded red but have toning. Like mentioned above it could be that when the coin was originally graded it was red but in time the coin has developed some toning. there is no True View to show the coin when it was graded so no way to tell if the coin was in the same condition as it is now.
    Does this mean if the coin were broken out or resubmitted it wouldn't get the red designation? To quote ricko " label for that parameter is not guaranteed.
    There is a significant price difference from red to red-brown.
    Is this the case that you "Buy the holder" and not the coin because it has the red designation. I'd rather not go down that road, never have before.
    Would you guys buy a coin that is graded red but has toning on it? Any more comments would be welcomed.

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    johnny010johnny010 Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,432 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @alaura22 said:
    Would you guys buy a coin that is graded red but has toning on it? the Any more comments would be welcomed.

    Yes but I would not pay the RD premium for it. Depending on the amount of toning remaining, I may only pay the RB or even the BN value for the coin. Of course, if the owner wanted the RD value for his toned coin, a sale wouldn't take place with me.

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    ChrisH821ChrisH821 Posts: 6,333 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Someone here just had a 1921 grade 66RD that has some toning. So Yes.
    Here is the discussion:
    https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1087675/lincoln-grades-and-images-posted-over-the-weekend-mixed-results#latest

    Collector, occasional seller

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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 33,484 ✭✭✭✭✭

    In my opinion, an older piece of Red copper will have somewhat subdued look to it. If it is "flaming red," beware because it might well have had something done to it that probably won't last.

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    braddickbraddick Posts: 23,115 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Maybe.

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 45,432 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A lot of collectors look for RD copper coins in old holders because presumably the red color is stable assuming of course the copper coin is still red.

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    Piano1Piano1 Posts: 233 ✭✭✭

    If it is of any help, I have a PCGS 1865 2 cent piece graded Red/Brown (or is it RB??? I have to go look the coin up). There's not a heck of red on it but it certainly ain't brown. For a coin to be "Red", I believe there is a bit of leeway in "how red". It could be bright or somewhat toned but technically, it's still red. Gee...I hope they don't need a new set of standards to be published to determine "redness".

    Piano1

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