Questions about Proof Like.

may

1. What amount of reflection is necessary for a PL designation?
2. How common were they?
3. How much added value?
4. Can there be low grade ones? (AU, XF)
5. Is this PL?
   
   
   
   

Fishpro

Your pictures are not the best, the 83CC might be a PL. when looking for PL Morgan’s I look for 4 - 5 inches for Pl and 8 inches or more for DMPL.

gumby1234

For the TPG's to give it PL it has to have mirrored fields that you can read print at least 2 or 3 inches away on both sides of the coin. Stand your coin up on a book page with normal print and see how far in the fields that you can clearly read the text.

ricko

@Ownerofawheatiehorde .... Your pictures do not allow a conclusive answer. Do as recommended by @gumby1234 and also post some clear pictures of your test. Cheers, RickO

BillJones

1. The first two posts answered you question.
2. It depends upon the year. A great many date and mint combinations have no known P-L coins. Others, like San Francisco Mint dollars from the early 1880s are seen with some regularity.
3. It all depends upon the date and mint mark combination. More common issues have lower premiums. Rare ones sell for very high prices. There is no fixed premium.
4. I could not see a P-L for anything lower than an AU-55, and that is a theoretical comment. The friction from circulation would destroy too much of the surface in the lower grades to determine the designation. I have never seen a certified coin with a P-L description, but it might exist in say AU-58.
5. The photos are inconclusive, but the last one of the obverse would lead me to speculate that you piece has only bright Mint State surfaces and is not a P-L. It looks to be too frosty and not reflective.

lermish

@BillJones said:
4. I could not see a P-L for anything lower than an AU-55, and that is a theoretical comment. The friction from circulation would destroy too much of the surface in the lower grades to determine the designation. I have never seen a certified coin with a P-L description, but it might exist in say AU-58.

PCGS will only give a PL designation to Mint State coins. I think NGC will give it to AU coins but I'm not as familiar with their grading intricacies.

dsessom

Since I have started collecting Morgans, I have seen numerous PL and DMPL 1883-CC's so that year and mint mark seem to have been very well struck. It's hard to say whether your coin is for sure, but based on your photos, I would say it's neither DMPL or PL. (Maybe semi-PL?)

dsessom

This one is a "PL" for comparison. (DMPL would have even deeper mirrors)

This is not my coin, just an example I found on Ebay - which currently list 53 examples of PL and DMPL 1883-CC Morgans.

may

The back has about 2 inches but the front has 0. So I would say not PL.

1madman

Yeah the front looks more satiny, like a regular surface strike. So I’d say ms63, no PL.