Feuchtwanger Cent Variety sources

Piano1

Many years ago, I purchased an 1837 Feuchtwanger cent and sent it off to ANACS where it came back as XF 40. Interesting piece and history but I didn't pay much attention to it until today. I found a variety guide online and my piece is definitely 3-G based on a very good article NGC offering (I'm new here and don't know if I am allowed to attach a link). Anyway, I was able to determine (it took about an hour) that I clearly have the 3-G. Variety. The article refers to Koutsoure and HT as sources for identification. Can anyone send me a connection to these sources, please or to what they refer?

Also, I have found 2 "Rarity" numbers for this piece. The NGC article says it is Rarity 6 but a second source I found lists it as R-8. I like to include variety numbers on my slabs. Again, help would be appreciated. I am so sorry that I can't provide a photo as I don't yet have the skill (in progress) but just to clarify, my coin shows the extra berry on the stem to the right of the bow on the reverse.

Thanks SO much!!! Alan

yosclimber

I believe the HT- numbers are from Russell Rulau's book "Hard Times Tokens 1832-1844".
https://www.abebooks.com/9780873411011/Hard-Times-Tokens-1832-1844-Russell-0873411013/plp

The other book you asked about is apparently:
"The Identification of the Feuchtwanger Cents, Low 120"
Koutsoures, James Theodore (1979)

Book Summary
The Identification of the Feuchtwanger Cents, Low 120 by James Theodore Koutsoures. Home made binding, with original publication source unclear. Date approximate. This is an in-copyright publication.
https://nnp.wustl.edu/library/book/566325

lilolme

On the NNP I found the same book summary only that yosclimber did. You can do searches on NNP to find other information. Here is a search just on Feuchtwanger Cents and a lot of hits (maybe to many).

https://nnp.wustl.edu/library/advancedsearch?contenttype=&imagetype=&fullsearchterm=Feuchtwanger+Cents&title=&keywords=&author=&multimediaCreator=&companyName=&auctionConsignor=&publisher=&searchlow=&searchhigh=&lastName=&firstName=&birthSearchlow=&birthSearchhigh=&deathSearchlow=&deathSearchhigh=&ImageDescription=&ImageCreatorName=&ImageContributorName=&Country=&Institution=&CatalogNum=&ArtistName=&Side=&Grade=&Service=&ServiceCatNum=&Composition=&Diameter=&Denomination=&MintMark=&Variety=&Inscription=&EdgeInscription=&Dimensions=&Provenance=&Weight=&hideRestricted=false

Here is the pcgs auction price realized. Might be able to find some information on rarity by going to the listed auctions and seeing if you find the one you have. Might be a bit tedious.

https://www.pcgs.com/auctionprices/details/1837-feuchtwangers-composition-ms-ny-1c/20001

PCGS coinfacts page I believe is indicating they don't do the varieties. (only one listed under show other varieties.

https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin/20001

Not sure if it is in the online catalog. All I did was search Feuchtwanger and didn't look at it, so might be more.

http://tokencatalog.com/index.php

http://tokencatalog.com/display_records.php?SearchStringEveryWord=Feuchtwanger&SubmitFilter=SearchUSA&action=DisplayRecords&ta_country=U.S.A.&td_state=&td_city=&SearchString=&SearchStringAnyWord=&HomePageSearch=&view=All+Listings

TPRC

Welcome Piano to the boards. Ambro was our resident feuchtwanger guru but I'm not sure he is that active. I have found that for 1 cent varieties, these sources are quite adequate, as follows:

https://www.ngccoin.com/news/article/7628/FeuchtwangerOneCent/

https://www.novanumismatics.com/feuchtwangers-composition-cent-attribution-die-marriages-2/

Also, Alan Fisher has an impressive Hard Times Token collection which he publishes here, including with some of the Feuchtwanger varieties:

http://www.hardtimestokens.com/

Please note however, that his 6-A, listed as unique, is not a 6-A. I do not believe a 6-A exists. If you search HT 268 or Low 120, you will find his 1 cent varieties.

An xf-40 3-g variety is indeed a scarce one and listed as R-6, but I think it is a little tougher than that. I consider myself knowledgeable on the 1 cent varieties and I have all of the 1 cent varieties except the 3-c which, as I understand it, is unique, though I am not certain. If you notice on the ngc article, my 4-f is depicted since it is quite scarce.

But Jim Koutsoures is the expert on these varieties and published a pamphlet on them which is out of print but which he used to sell. If you post or im me a photo of the piece, I, or others, will be able to tell pretty quickly if it is the 3-g.

good luck

Namvet69

Welcome, interesting research. Hope to see some pics. Good luck. Peace Roy

DCW

@ambro51 was the go to guy on these. Maybe he will make an appearance?

ricko

@Piano1.... Welcome aboard. You will be able to post pictures after a week or two.... forum protocol. Good luck with your coins... Cheers, RickO

tokenpro

As mentioned in the NGC piece, Koutsoures is still the go-to source. I can't find mine but this copy has a 1979 postmark on it (I keep a copy at both of my work areas). Of course there may be some personal thought on the individual rarities but Jim's work has stood up well over time. Below are the title page & a sample of the individual die pages:

Piano1

Hello, and as always, I am very appreciative of all you knowledgeable collectors helping me out with my Feutchwanger cent. I have a whole bunch of great information now thanks to you all. If/when I am able to take and post decent pictures, I'll try to put one on here.

Many thanks!!

Piano1 Alan

mark_dak

Welcome, as you can see there is a wealth of knowledge here on the forum. I purchased one a couple years ago on a whim since this is not my area of expertise. I went through the same questions you are up against. Hopefully the links others have provided will help.

Mark