Mods please close

EZV · February 2, 2023 5:01PM

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MFeld · February 2, 2023 5:12PM

What was the reason that you included your cost? It has no bearing on the value of the coin.

MFeld · February 2, 2023 5:22PM

@EZV said:

@MFeld said:
What was the reason that you included your cost? It has no bearing on the value of the coin.

Why do you feel the need to be a jerk on everything I post? Jesus dude, chill.

Based on your reply, I get the impression that I’m much more chilled than you are.

By the way, I just checked to see what threads you’ve started. Maybe you have me confused with someone else, as I see that I’ve responded to very few of your posts, not “everything”.

Omegaraptor · February 2, 2023 5:27PM

@EZV said:

@MFeld said:
What was the reason that you included your cost? It has no bearing on the value of the coin.

Why do you feel the need to be a jerk on everything I post? Jesus dude, chill. To clarify, he’s nitpicked both of my titles on both of my posts from today for no apparent reason other than to do it.

You do know Mark Feld is one of the most respected experts in the hobby and he's giving you advice for free, right?

This 1913-S T2 Buffalo Nickel is already being discussed in the first thread you made, where you already stated the cost of the entire set. I don't see any reason to open a separate thread.

jmlanzaf · February 2, 2023 5:30PM

Since it was part of a set, how did you get to $1.80? Since some of those coins are worth 10 cents, the $35 cost is localized in a couple of the coins.

MasonG · February 2, 2023 5:32PM

I've learned a lot already.

jmlanzaf · February 2, 2023 5:34PM

@EZV said:

@jmlanzaf said:
Since it was part of a set, how did you get to $1.80? Since some of those coins are worth 10 cents, the $35 cost is localized in a couple of the coins.

I just averaged it out over $1.80 a coin… of course I’m not going to value it like that, but it was just a basis to go off of to see how much value it had

Not to mimic @MFeld , but the price paid has no bearing on the value.

bsshog40 · February 2, 2023 5:35PM

You're attitude will eventually get you no where around here. The people you are scolding are very well respected. The way you are going you will have no one responding or helping you with any information you seek. Seems you need to Chill Out!!!

bsshog40 · February 2, 2023 5:39PM

@EZV said:
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@bsshog40 said:
You're attitude will eventually get you no where around here. The people you are scolding are very well respected. The way you are going you will have no one responding or helping you with any information you seek. Seems you need to Chill Out!!!

That’s great, because nobody has helped me anyways… your point?

Bye!!!!!!

EZV · February 2, 2023 5:40PM

Can I get a mod to close this please?

jmlanzaf · February 2, 2023 5:42PM

@EZV said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@EZV said:

@jmlanzaf said:
Since it was part of a set, how did you get to $1.80? Since some of those coins are worth 10 cents, the $35 cost is localized in a couple of the coins.

I just averaged it out over $1.80 a coin… of course I’m not going to value it like that, but it was just a basis to go off of to see how much value it had

Not to mimic @MFeld , but the price paid has no bearing on the value.

Well that’s great, I’ve changed the title so everyone stops being so butthurt over something that is in no relation to the question I asked. And again I ask, should I get the mods to close this post since nobody wants to actually help?

It's hard to put a value on it from those photos. Problem coins are hard to value as it is. Judging the quality of the surfaces from those photos is tricky.

A no problem AG coin would be $100 to $125. A problem would be half that or less, sometimes much less.

EZV · February 2, 2023 5:43PM

@jmlanzaf said:

@EZV said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@EZV said:

@jmlanzaf said:
Since it was part of a set, how did you get to $1.80? Since some of those coins are worth 10 cents, the $35 cost is localized in a couple of the coins.

I just averaged it out over $1.80 a coin… of course I’m not going to value it like that, but it was just a basis to go off of to see how much value it had

Not to mimic @MFeld , but the price paid has no bearing on the value.

Well that’s great, I’ve changed the title so everyone stops being so butthurt over something that is in no relation to the question I asked. And again I ask, should I get the mods to close this post since nobody wants to actually help?

It's hard to put a value on it from those photos. Problem coins are hard to value as it is. Judging the quality of the surfaces from those photos is tricky.

A no problem AG coin would be $100 to $125. A problem would be half that it less, sometimes much less.

What makes this a problem coin?

PeakRarities · February 2, 2023 5:45PM

@EZV said:
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@bsshog40 said:
You're attitude will eventually get you no where around here. The people you are scolding are very well respected. The way you are going you will have no one responding or helping you with any information you seek. Seems you need to Chill Out!!!

That’s great, because nobody has helped me anyways… your point?

This forum is a place where we come to share our love of coins with others, and we treat each other respectfully and civilly. If you don’t like what someone has said, you simply reply in a calm, concise manner and you will be fine. If you start by lashing out at everyone like a child, you will quickly find that this isn’t the place for you.

Even if you feel like Mark was being pedantic, he does so for good reason and it is often to help educate. Along with being one of the most helpful people on the forum, especially with newcomers, he’s a well respected and trusted member of the hobby. If I were you I wouldn’t try to stake your claim here by arguing with him.

jmlanzaf · February 2, 2023 5:45PM

@EZV said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@EZV said:

@jmlanzaf said:

@EZV said:

@jmlanzaf said:
Since it was part of a set, how did you get to $1.80? Since some of those coins are worth 10 cents, the $35 cost is localized in a couple of the coins.

I just averaged it out over $1.80 a coin… of course I’m not going to value it like that, but it was just a basis to go off of to see how much value it had

Not to mimic @MFeld , but the price paid has no bearing on the value.

Well that’s great, I’ve changed the title so everyone stops being so butthurt over something that is in no relation to the question I asked. And again I ask, should I get the mods to close this post since nobody wants to actually help?

It's hard to put a value on it from those photos. Problem coins are hard to value as it is. Judging the quality of the surfaces from those photos is tricky.

A no problem AG coin would be $100 to $125. A problem would be half that it less, sometimes much less.

What makes this a problem coin?

It appears to have been cleaned, possibly acid dipped to remove corrosion. Look at the porosity.

burfle23 · February 3, 2023 4:42AM

1st time I've seen this here...

jmlanzaf · February 3, 2023 4:45AM

@burfle23 said:
1st time I've seen this here...

Interesting. I didn't know one could set it to private.

PeakRarities · February 3, 2023 4:46AM

@burfle23 said:
1st time I've seen this here...

Ive seen that before, he made his profile "private". If you go to "edit profile" it gives you an option to do that. The only other member I've ever seen with a private is @emeraldATV

Fraz · February 3, 2023 5:06AM

@EZV said:
Can I get a mod to close this please?

BStrauss3 · February 3, 2023 5:18AM

@EZV said:
Can I get a mod to close this please?

Nope. They typically only close threads that violate the terms of service. They prohibit libel, name-calling, abuse & that kind of stuff.

It's also a long tradition in threads like this to pile on so it stays on the front page for a couple of days and reaches at least 2 pages... we do love people hanging their less than stellar offerings out there.

Call it the Streisand effect (you can Google it)...

Even better, Google indexes this site pretty quickly and so the original post is available

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:2cpeFnok6soJ:https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1087221/picked-up-a-1913-s-type-2-for-1-80

BStrauss3 · February 3, 2023 5:22AM

@burfle23 said:
1st time I've seen this here...

Awwww took their football and went home... bye Felicia!

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ngbTjZWDrOAJ:https://forums.collectors.com/profile/EZV

PerryHall · February 3, 2023 5:30AM

TTT

TomB · February 3, 2023 7:43AM

@burfle23 said:
1st time I've seen this here...

This can be done rather easily if you don't double-check changes to your profile. I once changed my email address in the profile settings and a box became checked or unchecked (I don't remember which) and the result was that my profile showed up as this until someone sent me a PM and asked about it and stated it appeared suspicious. Thankfully, I had only changed my email preferences that day so I didn't have that for very long and simply checked/unchecked the box that set my profile back the way it had been previously.

coinbuf · February 3, 2023 7:56AM

@BStrauss3 said:

@burfle23 said:
1st time I've seen this here...

Awwww took their football and went home... bye Felicia!

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ngbTjZWDrOAJ:https://forums.collectors.com/profile/EZV

Learned something new today, I was not aware that google saved these pages that quickly.

braddick · February 3, 2023 7:57AM

I haven't read all of EZV's posts, yet I think some of us were tough on him- especially at the beginning.
His Buffalo set was a neat catch for the price and a collection a budding collector just starting out could build on.

I know it's easy to pile on- goodness knows I, too, have participated in that behavior in the past.
I suppose what I am getting at is that perhaps there should be a pause between typing a response to a new member
and hitting send.
Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary?
If only one or two of those questions can be answered in the affirmative, perhaps don't reply.
This is not a scolding, just a mild suggestion.

PeakRarities · February 3, 2023 8:07AM

@braddick said:
I haven't read all of EZV's posts, yet I think some of us were tough on him- especially at the beginning.
His Buffalo set was a neat catch for the price and a collection a budding collector just starting out could build on.

I know it's easy to pile on- goodness knows I, too, have participated in that behavior in the past.
I suppose what I am getting at is that perhaps there should be a pause between typing a response to a new member
and hitting send.
Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary?
If only one or two of those questions can be answered in the affirmative, perhaps don't reply.
This is not a scolding, just a mild suggestion.

There have been numerous times where I felt we may have been too harsh on a noob, but this wasn't one of those times for me. I didn't get the "aspiring collector" vibe, it seemed more so that he was only here for us to pat him on the back and bask in his glory of finding such a good deal. He rejected @jmlanzaf 's legitimate opinion on value after soliciting it, interpreted Mark as being a "Jerk", and rather than reply in an adult-like manner, he lashed out at everyone and called us D-bags.

braddick · February 3, 2023 8:14AM

@DeplorableDan said:

@braddick said:

There have been numerous times where I felt we may have been too harsh on a noob, but this wasn't one of those times for me. I didn't get the "aspiring collector" vibe, it seemed more so that he was only here for us to pat him on the back and bask in his glory of finding such a good deal. He rejected @jmlanzaf 's legitimate opinion on value after soliciting it, interpreted Mark as being a "Jerk", and rather than reply in an adult-like manner, he lashed out at everyone and called us D-bags.

Excellent points.
If/when someone refers to me in real life as a "jerk" or a "D-bag" (and yes, in my profession it does happen on occasion)- silence seems to work best for me.
I know online that is tough advice to actually follow yet when I do practice it I end up being happier for doing so.
I had a seasoned officer teach me 30 years ago, "don't allow other people's behavior to dictate your own".

coinkat · February 3, 2023 8:14AM

What is most unfortunate is that a thread such as this attracts attention while others that have numismatic significance seem to gain minimal, if any, interest. Braddick made some valid points... perhaps there could be more of an effort to direct positive comments in those threads that deserve it.

Fraz · February 3, 2023 8:15AM

@braddick said:
I haven't read all of EZV's posts, yet I think some of us were tough on him

You’re a bigger man than I.

He branded the folks whose opinions he did not like.

Post a coin, the debate is about the coin. The poster turns the debate into an affront, lashes out; bye bye cred.

He can start over across the street without the tude. They are nice.

bsshog40 · February 3, 2023 8:18AM

Hopefully the op will gain a little humility, re-read his responses and admit that he may have steered offcourse and come back with a little more respect towards those that were trying to help him.

Fraz · February 3, 2023 8:23AM

@bsshog40 said:
Hopefully the op will gain a little humility, re-read his responses and admit that he may have steered offcourse and come back with a little more respect towards those that were trying to help him.

It would be uplifting.

MFeld · February 3, 2023 8:26AM

@braddick said:
I haven't read all of EZV's posts, yet I think some of us were tough on him- especially at the beginning.
His Buffalo set was a neat catch for the price and a collection a budding collector just starting out could build on.

I know it's easy to pile on- goodness knows I, too, have participated in that behavior in the past.
I suppose what I am getting at is that perhaps there should be a pause between typing a response to a new member
and hitting send.
Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary?
If only one or two of those questions can be answered in the affirmative, perhaps don't reply.
This is not a scolding, just a mild suggestion.

I think this is an important and somewhat difficult topic, worthy of consideration and discussion. Choosing the best/most appropriate way to converse with someone you don’t know can require walking a very fine line.
Regarding this particular thread, I’ll ask the same question I just posed to someone by private message - “ Since the first two replies to the thread were mine, I’ll ask - do you think I was too tough on him?”
Either way, please feel free to speak up here or privately.

ironmanl63 · February 3, 2023 8:30AM

@braddick said:

@DeplorableDan said:

@braddick said:

There have been numerous times where I felt we may have been too harsh on a noob, but this wasn't one of those times for me. I didn't get the "aspiring collector" vibe, it seemed more so that he was only here for us to pat him on the back and bask in his glory of finding such a good deal. He rejected @jmlanzaf 's legitimate opinion on value after soliciting it, interpreted Mark as being a "Jerk", and rather than reply in an adult-like manner, he lashed out at everyone and called us D-bags.

Excellent points.
If/when someone refers to me in real life as a "jerk" or a "D-bag" (and yes, in my profession it does happen on occasion)- silence seems to work best for me.
I know online that is tough advice to actually follow yet when I do practice it I end up being happier for doing so.
I had a seasoned officer teach me 30 years ago, "don't allow other people's behavior to dictate your own".

I really like this post and will try to incorporate that in my own posts. Hard to do but I believe it is a smart way to resopond. Thanks.

PeakRarities · February 3, 2023 8:34AM

@coinkat said:
What is most unfortunate is that a thread such as this attracts attention while others that have numismatic significance seem to gain minimal, if any, interest. Braddick made some valid points... perhaps there could be more of an effort to direct positive comments in those threads that deserve it.

Agree, but that's the internet for ya. Drama sells, and meaningful information can be overlooked. I don't disagree with Braddick's points at all, and I do believe that we should always strive to be positive and encouraging when given the opportunity , especially with YN's. Some just use the forum in a more self-seeking manner when they need answers, and others view it as a community and go out of their way to try to help others learn. I aspire to be the latter type, and I try contribute the best that I can to the threads I feel I'm qualified to comment on.

Coin Finder · February 3, 2023 8:42AM

When one is new to the hobby and learning about coins the questions they ask are first steps in the learning process. This hobby is a mile long and a mile deep. Its easy to take things personally but they are not meant that way. My advice is listen and learn from the experts without comment. I still do after 25 years! The experts were new also at one point. They listened to their mentors.. Good luck, Buffs are cool especially in high grades!

ironmanl63 · February 3, 2023 8:49AM

@MFeld said:

@braddick said:
I haven't read all of EZV's posts, yet I think some of us were tough on him- especially at the beginning.
His Buffalo set was a neat catch for the price and a collection a budding collector just starting out could build on.

I know it's easy to pile on- goodness knows I, too, have participated in that behavior in the past.
I suppose what I am getting at is that perhaps there should be a pause between typing a response to a new member
and hitting send.
Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary?
If only one or two of those questions can be answered in the affirmative, perhaps don't reply.
This is not a scolding, just a mild suggestion.

I think this is an important and somewhat difficult topic, worthy of consideration and discussion. Choosing the best/most appropriate way to converse with someone you don’t know can require walking a very fine line.
Regarding this particular thread, I’ll ask the same question I just posed to someone by private message - “ Since the first two replies to the thread were mine, I’ll ask - do you think I was too tough on him?”
Either way, please feel free to speak up here or privately.

No you were not. You can not control how someone is going to respond to what you say. Some people will take what you say to heart and learn, others will lash out.

Braddicks post above just hit home with me.

bsshog40 · February 3, 2023 8:53AM

@MFeld said:

I think this is an important and somewhat difficult topic, worthy of consideration and discussion. Choosing the best/most appropriate way to converse with someone you don’t know can require walking a very fine line.
Regarding this particular thread, I’ll ask the same question I just posed to someone by private message - “ Since the first two replies to the thread were mine, I’ll ask - do you think I was too tough on him?”
Either way, please feel free to speak up here or privately.

I don't feel you did anything wrong @MarkFeld . The op's thread started off ok. Then value started to entwine into the subject and I think greed fell into the picture as also what started the other threads off. His thread went from feeling good about a purchase to how much can I get out of it. It would have been a good buffalo starter set for a collector but I feel the op started to get $ signs in his eyes and went from collector to money maker.

coinkat · February 3, 2023 8:57AM

@MFeld

To answer your question... No you were not too tough with your responses.

coinbuf · February 3, 2023 9:05AM

@bsshog40 said:

@MFeld said:

I think this is an important and somewhat difficult topic, worthy of consideration and discussion. Choosing the best/most appropriate way to converse with someone you don’t know can require walking a very fine line.
Regarding this particular thread, I’ll ask the same question I just posed to someone by private message - “ Since the first two replies to the thread were mine, I’ll ask - do you think I was too tough on him?”
Either way, please feel free to speak up here or privately.

I don't feel you did anything wrong @MarkFeld . The op's thread started off ok. Then value started to entwine into the subject and I think greed fell into the picture as also what started the other threads off. His thread went from feeling good about a purchase to how much can I get out of it. It would have been a good buffalo starter set for a collector but I feel the op started to get $ signs in his eyes and went from collector to money maker.

Toi be honest I got the impression from his title (and his other threads) that he was more about impressing members with his "rip" than anything to do with collecting. But maybe that is my misread.

bsshog40 · February 3, 2023 9:08AM

@coinbuf said:

@bsshog40 said:

@MFeld said:

I think this is an important and somewhat difficult topic, worthy of consideration and discussion. Choosing the best/most appropriate way to converse with someone you don’t know can require walking a very fine line.
Regarding this particular thread, I’ll ask the same question I just posed to someone by private message - “ Since the first two replies to the thread were mine, I’ll ask - do you think I was too tough on him?”
Either way, please feel free to speak up here or privately.

I don't feel you did anything wrong @MarkFeld . The op's thread started off ok. Then value started to entwine into the subject and I think greed fell into the picture as also what started the other threads off. His thread went from feeling good about a purchase to how much can I get out of it. It would have been a good buffalo starter set for a collector but I feel the op started to get $ signs in his eyes and went from collector to money maker.

Toi be honest I got the impression from his title (and his other threads) that he was more about impressing members with his "rip" than anything to do with collecting. But maybe that is my misread.

That too!

Fraz · February 3, 2023 9:09AM

@MFeld said:
Regarding this particular thread, I’ll ask the same question I just posed to someone by private message - “ >Since the first two replies to the thread were mine, I’ll ask - do you think I was too tough on him?”
Either way, please feel free to speak up here or privately.

No, you are not tough. You are firm. You’re teaching. Teaching is exasperating. These threads elicit exasperation. You contain exasperation is as well as a human can.

I’ll be a suck up, I am fortunate that you take the time to hear me and respond.

nwcoast · February 3, 2023 9:17AM

Some excellent suggestions and considerations friends.
There are nuances with communication that are often lost when writing. Especially online.

A lot can be said on this and I’m not going to analyze this situation except to add one thing to what @braddick said.
When looking at new threads and new members, I sometimes make an effort to pause and to consider whether it is possible that this is a little kid or someone with some significant disabilities posting? I know that might be tough given the recent barrage of damaged parking lot finds but one never knows.

Fraz · February 3, 2023 9:34AM

The banter in these failed threads give us the chance to meet and choose friends. Despite the quarrels, we find each other. They are not a waste..

dsessom · February 3, 2023 9:42AM

@Fraz said:
The banter in these failed threads give us the chance to meet and choose friends. Despite the quarrels, we find each other. They are not a waste..

Yes indeed. I like most everyone here and have learned (and continue to learn!) a LOT from all of you on these boards.

telephoto1 · February 3, 2023 9:42AM

For those who missed out on the original coin posted...
Pretty sure it's legit, just not very attractive.
Strong AG? Weak G? Opinions?

Fraz · February 3, 2023 9:46AM

BU—butt ugly

AUandAG · February 3, 2023 10:51AM

Mods don't generally close threads unless it violates PCGS rules.
bob

PapiNE · February 3, 2023 10:55AM

I stopped reading when I couldn't make it out to be a 1913.

JoeLewis · February 3, 2023 11:28AM

@Fraz said:
BU—butt ugly

What are we trying to accomplish with comments like this?

spyglassdesign · February 3, 2023 11:35AM

@MFeld said:

@braddick said:
I haven't read all of EZV's posts, yet I think some of us were tough on him- especially at the beginning.
His Buffalo set was a neat catch for the price and a collection a budding collector just starting out could build on.

I know it's easy to pile on- goodness knows I, too, have participated in that behavior in the past.
I suppose what I am getting at is that perhaps there should be a pause between typing a response to a new member
and hitting send.
Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary?
If only one or two of those questions can be answered in the affirmative, perhaps don't reply.
This is not a scolding, just a mild suggestion.

I think this is an important and somewhat difficult topic, worthy of consideration and discussion. Choosing the best/most appropriate way to converse with someone you don’t know can require walking a very fine line.
Regarding this particular thread, I’ll ask the same question I just posed to someone by private message - “ Since the first two replies to the thread were mine, I’ll ask - do you think I was too tough on him?”
Either way, please feel free to speak up here or privately.

Not at all Mark. I have disliked some opinions in the past but that's the point, they are opinions, often based on less than ideal pictures. Opinions on an impersonal forum like this can sometimes seem harsh, but I always feel your responses are well founded and straight to the point. How others take them, is ultimately on them. I didn't feel you were harsh at all in this case. He simply didn't want to hear anything that differed from his/her opinion.

spyglassdesign · February 3, 2023 11:39AM

Additionally @MFeld he took offense to your question. It was just that, a question, but he took it as a challenge instead of just exactly what it was. That's on him, not you.

Like you said it's a fine line communicating on such a forum. So a small suggestion... so a question doesn't come across so bluntly, if you add something akin to 'I'm wondering if there is a reason you added your cost information?' instead of telling them their cost has no bearing on the value. It might help them take it a little less personal? (Maybe not but it's worth a try at least - some people will take any question personally no matter what).

Fraz · February 3, 2023 12:13PM

@JoeLewis said:

@Fraz said:
BU—butt ugly

What are we trying to accomplish with comments like this?

You’re right.

Mods please close

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